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Mohamed, you wrote, “This is the best I can do for you situation and frankly it is GOOD ENOUGH.”
Yes, I agree, I think it is indeed the best you can do. Where I disagree completely is that it is certainly not good enough.
Also, why did you refer to me as ‘man’ and why do you assume I’m not an Arab?
Well, That is not even wrong.
@Mohamed
"the sun
1- loses it's light
2- becomes erased
3- falls down"
Please be specific and clarify that statement, because I can rip it to shreds in a New York minute.
So far in your statements related to scientific endeavors, you are using very vague statements and words that can be interpreted in any way. That is not how science works, and that is definitely not how a healthy and honest debate works.
Mohamed,
"there hasn't been any updates to the translation of the Quran for more than 1000 years"
Who was the guy who revised the Koran into numbered chapters and verses and when did he do it?
What doe that have to do with anything?
Everything. It means the Qu'ran was also edited when they copied the Jews in dividing it up into books, chapters, verses.
Did you know the Qu'ran is nothing more than a collection of plagiarized myths and legends, many thousands of years older than the Qu'ran? Since it is plagiarized, that means everything within its covers is LIES. Not one damn word of truth whatsoever.
rmfr
This doesn't evidence anything, at best it's an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy. Who knows who claimed that or why, it might have been a guess or whim, the point is that not knowing how someone claimed to know something tells us nothing. Even if you could prove unequivocally that they made the claim and we had no idea how they came by the idea the sun isn't perfectly spherical, this still doesn't remotely offer objective evidence they came by this knowledge from a supernatural deity.
These kind of appeal to ignorance fallacies are in every thread here, theists make these fallacious claims all the time, and when challenge often show they don't know what common logical fallacies are or what they mean for the argument based on them.
I find your religion every bit as much a vapid superstition as all the others, and there is absolutely no scientific evidence for any deity, that is axiomatic.
Nowhere in that article does it say the sun isn't spherical. In fact, as far as I can tell, the word "spherical" doesn't appear in the article!
It says the sun isn't a perfect sphere; we've known that for a long, long, time.
Are you serious?
What is the difference between not spherical and not a perfect sphere?
I wan't saying it was cubed!
where are your sources?
Spherical means vaguely sphere shaped. A perfect sphere means exactly a sphere. No macroscopic object is a perfect sphere; lots of macroscopic objects are spherical, including the sun.
/e or to phrase it another way, a spherical object is similar enough to a perfect sphere that using the mathematics of a perfect sphere to describe it, will produce errors below an acceptable size.
You seriously lost me man!
The Quran is claiming exactly what the NASA article is talking about... what are we arguing about here?
Well at least you admit it, that already makes you much more honest than most theists who come here. Bravo.
You have mis-characterized the article from NASA. It does not say what you claimed it said. I understand how you could have gotten confused and made that mistake, it is a subtle point, but it is a mistake.
Not at all
This conversation was supposed to lead to a different place, but we got stuck at whether the sun is a sphere or not.
Instead of referring you to a conversation I'm having with another person, I'll have to explain more to you.
The Sun was never a complete sphere, and the NASA article was just the proof of that. All I cared about was the part about the sun missing 0.001 of its roundness.
Now in a continuing chapter Ch. 86:3
Allah says " A perforating star "
Scientists explained that planets are made of space dust, but that isn't true from the Carina nebula image I attached. (only image on the WWW)
The sun lost its roundness in the perforation process and is regaining it, hence " When the sun becomes spherical "
Attachments
Attach Image/Video?:
Oh I have no doubt of that; but I've played this game before. I won't go any further until you retract your false statement:
“The sun is the biggest and therefore smoothest object in the solar system, perfect at the 0.001% level because of its extremely strong gravity,” says study co-author Hugh Hudson of UC Berkeley. “Measuring its exact shape is no easy task.”
does that say that the sun is spherical?
the continuation explains that the sun's spherical form was lesser... with proof!
Your claim was that the article said the sun is not spherical. The article does not say that; what you told us is false. I understand how you made that mistake, it is an easy mistake to make, and I doubt anyone here thinks any less of your for making it. But I guarantee, your continued failure to retract your obviously false statement will diminish your chance of having a decent chat.
hhhhhhhhh
So you're asking me to find you a sentence in the article that clearly says that the sun isn't spherical?
When the article says that the sun is perfect at 0.001%... can't a DEDUCTION be made?
come on man... you ain't chatting with a child!
This topic is still a warm up and there are many other people who would have a decent chat. I really don't know what you will gain from my retraction of words... BUT I MADE NO MISTAKE buddy.
Looks like that ship is starting to sail.
Listen man
For 1 sec. just put this weird issue aside and continue with the continuation...
It says that the sun is perfect at 0.001%... I have proof why from a verse in the Quran and a picture from NASA
I just proved that EVEN NASA doesn't know much about our universe using the Quran and a picture... and you are stuck at a DEDUCTION!
sail away buddy... sail away
Right, it is almost a perfect sphere. We have a description for objects like that: spherical.
The problem is you told us it wasn't spherical, which contradicts what you just quoted from the article.
Aaahhhhhhh I see what you mean now.
Fine... it is a lesser sphere!
Well, you are another one where saying you are mentally retarded is not an ad hominem.
You have provided absolutely no proof whatsoever so far. That arabic word offered translates as "conglomerate."
conglomerate
noun
adjective
verb (used with object)
verb (used without object)
What the fuck does any of the above have to with the sun?
rmfr
Indeed, Nyar. Those tricky suffixes will getcha every time. :)
@Mohamed Quran ch. 81:1 the verse states "If the sun becomes spherical"
I don't understand what you're claiming here. Is the Quran predicting that the shape of the sun might change from something else (e.g., a disk) into a sphere?
a slightly less spherical object is an oval one!
Spherical objects are 3 dimensional objects, ovals are 2 dimensional objects. Also no macroscopic object is an oval.
Having followed the thread to this point, it is starting to sound like somebody skipped basic geometry class. Not gonna say who, though... *discretely motioning toward Mohamed*....
Oh dear.
It's scary that it has to be made clear.
Sounds like somebody didn't quite make is to 6th grade.
Ok man, so you are being accurate with words!
oblate spheroid, or oblate ellipsoid
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