Just once, before I die, I would like a Christian to admit to me that they really just don't know...
~ Admit that they believe in God but that they really have no rational justification for their belief.
~ Admit that their conversion to Christianity was an emotional decision and not based on a thorough, open-minded investigation of the evidence and counter evidence.
~ Admit that, regarding their faith, they largely ignore any information presented to them unless they feel it will confirm what they already believe.
~ Admit that they did not need facts to become a Christian, therefor they do not need facts to remain a Christian.
~ Admit that if they truly believed that the biblical hell was real, they would personally warn every single person they encounter.
~ Admit that the reason they don't warn everyone (or anyone) of hell is because, either they are just not sure that hell is real - or - they just don't care enough.
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"Admit that they did not need facts to become a Christian, therefor they do not need facts to remain a Christian."
I like that, but I hope you've got more on your bucket list.
Firstly would like to tell you that my belief is in fact based on evidence, Mainly due all of the modern miracles. (I can make a list if you like)
Secondly I believe In a literal heaven and hell although you don't get there solely on belief.
Lastly I can't think of any reason why any person would want Christianity to be true.
@JacobCorneluis: Evidence? Really??? I love see a list... ever they aren't the same "modern miracles" that have been shown you false in this forum.
I originally wanted to show a list however I found something better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGi00AvrMV4.
as to you supposedly proving me wrong, how do you Explain the water drying up?
@JacobCorneluis: Give a list, not a video, I'm not interested in baba yaga videos
Very well, http://www.lifebuzz.com/miracles/
JacobCornelius: Do you believe in alien lizard overlords who secretly run the world? Many people claim to have seen them and youtube videos provide the evidence.
If you can't counter me do you always bring up this nonsense?
Forgive me but how do you account for all the proved miracles of the Catholic church?
They are nonsense.
JacobCornelius: May I recommend some books by paranormal investigator Joe Nickell.
The Science of Miracles
The Jesus Relics
Relics of the Christ
Joe Nickell has done much more investigation into these claims than arguing about youtube videos.
Thank you chimp, however I have already read them. I must say that I can agree with Mr. nickel on about 90% of the claims the others are well might I say disputed.
Oh that is easy: there aren't any.
@ JacobCorneluis
Before you demand atheists to account for "all the proved miracles of the Catholic church", why don't you account for all the proved miracles of Islam? And Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, and so on?
Do you think miracles of other faiths are faked or overinterpreted natural events? If so, why not the very same thing with "Catholic" miracles?
I have tried looking and I failed to find anything even remotely like that in any other religion.
I'm quite sure that if you would have been interested in finding miracles of competing faiths, you would have. It's not that hard.
Could you be more precise about what your required "standars" are for real miracles?
Islam:
There is (or was) a tree bleeding warm blood in Iran.
The name of Allah is found written in clouds, fruits, meat, auroras, in patterns on animals, a babys ear, and so on.
There are even videos of lions saying "Allah".
Buddhism
There are Buddhist monks and nuns that remain incorrupt.
There is footage of Buddha statues blinking and moving their mouths.
There is a "Buddha boy" who some believe are a reincarnation of Gautam Buddha, Ram Bahadur Bomjon, who can survive without food and water for long periods of time while meditating.
There is of course a lot more, from other faiths as well.
I've had Christians acknowledge many of these to me in the past. Pretty much all of them.
bobingersoll,
Jesus didn't try to convert everyone so why would an ordinary Christian try to convert everyone?
@bobingersoll: Isn't there a biblical quote about this? mmm... Oh, yes, "It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle...".
@Bobingersoll: "I would like a Christian to admit to me that they really just don't know..."
I've heard them say that. They take pride in believing without knowing. They call it "faith." From childhood, Xtians are indoctrinated to see faith as the supreme value. Never mind that there's no evidence for god. Faith's the thing. It's the ultimate con. Make the victim fool himself.
"Jesus didn't try to convert everyone so why would an ordinary Christian try to convert everyone?"
If an "ordinary Christian" (what ever that is) believed what they say they believe, they would try to convert everyone. The fact that they don't is evidence that they don't really believe what they say they believe. It matters not what Jesus did or didn't do.
It still resolves itself to those who have been told to believe, by people they trust, followed by a life surrounded by people of similar indoctrination. You cannot separate out from a person that which is the work of the imagination alone once it has been seamlessly stitched into their psyche. This person, in the constant company of similarly affected persons, is the blood-letting army that even theism itself opposes.