Matt Dillahunty, The Atheist Experience, and SJWs

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Sapporo's picture
@myusernamekthx

@myusernamekthx
This is an argument over words, not over facts.

Terminal Dogma's picture
What piece of reality does

What piece of reality does the word god refer to, the word god?

What piece of reality does the word zhe refer to, the word zhe of course.

Zhe and god are equally real according to you.

Actually a zhe is more real than a god, because a least one real living being that exists identifies as a zhe and has described its meaning.

I know of no such god that exists in reality, do you?

Sheldon's picture
"Words just describe pieces

"Words just describe pieces of reality."

What part of reality do the words unicorn or mermaid describe?

How about wizard?

You're just plain wrong here, and insulting everyone else including Dillahunty won't change that.

Did you get this bent out of shape when the word Bitcoin started to be used? I'm guessing not, and for fairly obvious reasons.

Sapporo's picture
I believe Wittgenstein had

I believe Wittgenstein had the view that all philosophy questions were ultimately arguments over language\definitions(?)

chimp3's picture
Sex and gender are two

Sex and gender are two different things.

Sapporo's picture
Is "god" a he, she, they, it,

Is "god" a he, she, they, it, or zhe?

/end thread.

Terminal Dogma's picture
We won't know until we see

We won't know until we see what chromosomes god has as the op demands.

David Killens's picture
This is no different than

This is no different than racists demanding that all blacks be called by the N word.

Sapporo's picture
@Petal Breath is in the odd

@Petal Breath is in the odd position of complaining about others abusing language through using it differently to himself while he himself abuses others with labels they disagree with because they take him to task for abusing others who think differently to himself. His understanding of libertarianism is different to mine.

NewSkeptic's picture
@ Sapporo

@ Sapporo

" His understanding of libertarianism is different to mine."

Thank you. I consider myself closer to libertarianism than any other political beliefs. To me, this means in its most simple terms valuing the rights of the individual over the collective. I hate to see the term libertarian ascribed to the OP even if he self-identified that way.

I'm not on this board to discuss politics, but I find some of the ad hominems against libertarians in this thread by people I otherwise have come to respect at best undignified.

Sheldon's picture
I have even more respect for

I have even more respect for Matt Dillahunty now, after reading this idiot's histrionics on here. Has this clown got himself banned yet?

David Killens's picture
I probably won't happen, the

I probably won't happen, the psychotic clown is carefully dancing around the forum rules. Insults are not forbidden.

Maketakunai's picture
For my own part, if you look

For my own part, if you look like a dude, you get dude pronouns. If you look like a chick, you get chick pronouns. I don't really care if someone is offended by whatever pronouns I am likely to use when referring to them. Anyone that thin skinned is not someone I have a use for in my life anyway. So, fuck 'em. They can suffer through pronouns they don't like while I have to suffer through the wreckage of their lives, or they can unass my AO.

I think that's a perfectly fair compromise when dealing with people who cry about the fact that I can't immediately tell by looking at them that they believe they're fucking dragonkin....

Sheldon's picture
Maketakunai "For my own part,

Maketakunai "For my own part, if you look like a dude, you get dude pronouns. If you look like a chick, you get chick pronouns. I don't really care if someone is offended by whatever pronouns I am likely to use when referring to them. Anyone that thin skinned is not someone I have a use for in my life anyway. So, fuck 'em. They can suffer through pronouns they don't like while I have to suffer through the wreckage of their lives, or they can unass my AO.

I think that's a perfectly fair compromise when dealing with people who cry about the fact that I can't immediately tell by looking at them that they believe they're fucking dragonkin...."
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Good to know, for my own part if you're a typical religious moron, and a narrow minded homophobic religious bigot, you get called a typical religious moron, and a narrow minded homophobic religious bigot. I really don't care if you're offended by me pointing out the truth when referring to you. If you're too thin skinned I have no use for you in my life, so fuck you. You can suffer through your imbecilic religious superstitions, and I'll point and laugh.

I think that's a perfectly fair compromise when dealing with someone who cries about the fact that he can't cope with reality, and believes he's fucking entitled to preach his moronically stupid religious bigotry to people who don't give a shit what he thinks.

So we're almost on the same page at last.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Sheldon

@ Sheldon

"Touche" *wild applause. Need that multiple "like" button, really need it.

Stone Jade's picture
@ Maketakunai "I think that's

@ Maketakunai "I think that's a perfectly fair compromise when dealing with people who cry about the fact that I can't immediately tell by looking at them that they believe they're fucking dragonkin..."

Okay, you don't care about other people requesting decency from you. But let's not pretend that you "can't immediately tell by looking at them." There are plenty of transwomen that you would be immediately able to see are presenting as women. I somehow have an inkling that you would still refer to her with "dude pronouns". You don't get to pretend that she's the one overreacting in that situation. That's just you intentionally being a dick.

[edit: took a few deep breaths and then removed gratuitous insults]

Kataclismic's picture
Toughen up, snowflake.

Toughen up, snowflake.

Really? No, see ad hominem is a fallacious argument, it doesn't address the issue. Which is the same exact thing you are accusing Dillahunty of doing. He will support his argument while you tell him to toughen up.

So, it isn't an argument at all, raspberry bush.

Maketakunai's picture
- Okay, you don't care about

- Okay, you don't care about other people requesting decency from you.

This is true. I really don't think people who believe they have the right to tell me how to think and act, whether it's religious nutters or little snowflake SJWs, deserve to just be treated with decency. There's nothing "decent" about trying to force your beliefs on people, and doing so does not deserve a "decent" response.

- But let's not pretend that you "can't immediately tell by looking at them." There are plenty of transwomen that you would be immediately able to see are presenting as women. I somehow have an inkling that you would still refer to her with "dude pronouns".

Does this hypothetical trans woman look even remotely feminine or does she look like Ladybeard??? I think that if you're going to play this little game you need to be quite specific on this point. To be fair, if this hypothetical trans woman is convincing enough as a woman, isn't the point supposed to be that it ought to be very difficult to know she's trans? Surely, if she's had all the right nips and tucks I would just assume she has always been a woman, wouldn't I? I'm sorry, but on the other hand, no matter how trans you think you look, if you look like a guy in a dress you get dude pronouns...

- You don't get to pretend that she's the one overreacting in that situation.

I'm not pretending. Here's the thing Sunshine... No one has the right to tell you how to think, how to act, or how to speak. No one has the right do demand your acceptance or respect. There's a big world out there with billions of people in, and if someone is so self-absorbed that they have to try to make the whole world play their little fucking games they absolutely are the one overreacting.

- That's just you intentionally being a dick.

No, it's me reacting to assholes who think I have to buy into their little fantasies just because they want me to. If you want to get suckered into them, that's entirely your choice.

Sheldon's picture
Another straw man argument,

Another straw man argument, as no one has told you how to think, in fact Bullwinkle, to be honest I suspect they'd consider you learning the ability to think at all as a triumph at this point.

How are you still here when you said you were leaving, you lying bigoted retard? You don't mind if I "label you as you appear to me" right?

" No one has the right do demand your acceptance or respect."

Another straw man as no one has demanded that, only the same rights to not to be openly discriminated against by ignorant bigots like you. However it's good to know you feel that way Bullwinkle, as I don't accept your moronic homophobic religious bigotry, and have no respect for you.

This was good, I feel we're really making progress.

Maketakunai's picture
Unfortunately, no... these

Unfortunately, no... these are not straw man arguments. Simply labeling them as such does not make it so.

Reading the idiotic vitriol of your posts is clearly an indication that if I do not accept your way of thinking then I must be an ignorant religious troll. Ergo you ARE fucking demanding that people think like you and act like you with your petty little crybully tactics.

As for your second wrong claim of a straw man argument, "zhe" is not a thing. You can't be tested for it, you can't be diagnosed with it, it can't be treated, you can't even fucking define what the hell a "zhe" is. There is no textbook definition. What makes one a "zhe"? Are there different classifications of "zhe"? The only place "zhe" exists is in the demented mind of prissy little nitwits that have a loose grip on reality.

There is no more scientific evidence that "zhe" exists than there is the soul or a god. There is no evidence a person can provide to verify their "zhe-ness" and no way to disprove it, because it only exists for "true believers" and is a concept that is only valid to the clownish libertards who believe that "zhe" exists. It serves no purpose, has no function, and since it isn't real it has no value. "Zhe" deserves no more respect than Islam, Christianity, or Mormonism.

And... I'm sorry.... when did I say I was leaving? And since when am I religious? You make far too many assumptions that are simply wrong. However, you can go ahead and claim I'm a bigot all you want. Coming from a hypocritical shill, your personal opinions literally means nothing to me, you ignorant fuckwit.

Tin-Man's picture
@Maketakunai (and anybody

@Maketakunai (and anybody else who might be interested) Re: "And... I'm sorry.... when did I say I was leaving? And since when am I religious? "

Uh.... Hey.... Guys?.... Not for nuthin', but having followed the on-going insult-fest, I am wondering if maybe we are having a case of mistaken identity? The bozo who started this thread was no doubt a troll, and he used the name of "myusernamekthx." And that individual did indeed scamper away with his tail between his legs recently. Unfortunately, it would appear Maketakunai here could easily have his name mistaken for myusernamekthx (other than the profile pic, of course). Sooooo..... for what it's worth, maybe that is something that should be considered as a possibility before things get a bit too far out of hand? Granted, none of my business, really. So if anybody cares to tell me to mind my own fucking business, I understand. I just hate seeing folks go at each other for the wrong reasons, especially if it is a case of mistaken identity. Blue on blue contact is never a good thing. Otherwise, by all means, carry on. There have been a few great insults fired back and forth. I may even start taking notes. *chuckle*

By the way, Make, you sound like prior Army. Yes?

Terminal Dogma's picture
Indeed I replied confusing

Indeed I replied confusing the two users, I tend to look at the content of a reply and the style, why I mistook the two. I wasn't the only one evidently.

Tin-Man's picture
@Term-dog Re: "Indeed I

@Term-dog Re: "Indeed I replied confusing the two users..."

Whoopsie! LOL Yeah, kinda thought that's what was happening based on the exchanges. Well, shit happens, right? LOL But, hey, that is why it is so very important to specify the individual you are responding to at the top of your posts. (Just like I did on this one to you.) These threads get jumbled very quickly, making following some conversations very confusing once posts get out of order. Just something to keep in mind for future reference.

Maketakunai's picture
@Tin Man

@Tin Man

Armored Cav.. I was a gunner on an M60A3 in the mid 80's. I was in one of the last M60 classes out of Disney Barracks at Knox before they started training the Abrams crews.

You?

Tin-Man's picture
@Make. Re: Army

@Make. Re: Army

Parachute rigger for 20th SF (National Guard) mid-nineties to 2008. Did a couple of deployments with them. (Afghanistan and Iraq) Then transferred to a medical unit and got MOS-Q'd as a medic. Did a tour in Iraq with them.

My younger brother was Armored Cav. for awhile, but he was a scout. He said he always had a blast with them.

Sheldon's picture
Maketakunai "Unfortunately,

Maketakunai "Unfortunately, no... these are not straw man arguments. Simply labeling them as such does not make it so."

That's a straw man argument as well, since no one claimed they were straw man arguments because they were labelled as such. You claimed people were telling you how to think, then argued against it, and since no one told you how to think that's a straw man argument.

Maketakunai "Reading the idiotic vitriol of your posts is clearly an indication that if I do not accept your way of thinking then I must be an ignorant religious troll."

I repeated your own post verbatim, but replaced your bigoted labelling with my own. It's odd you think this is vitriolic, but your abusive labelling is not, that's a fairly hypocritical double standard.
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" if I do not accept your way of thinking then I must be an ignorant religious troll. Ergo you ARE fucking demanding that people think like you and act like you with your petty little crybully tactics."

Two straw men arguments this, as I have made neither claim, and you are misrepresenting what I have said. You ended the sentence with an ad hominem fallacy. You need to learn what these are, seriously.
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""zhe" is not a thing." *Idiotic ad hominem cut for brevity and sanity*"

I have no idea what that means, but are unicorns a thing? Unicorn is a word right? Words also start by not being in common usage, and therefore not having a dictionary definition, ALL words started this way, so your disjointed petty rant is meaningless until you grasp this fact.
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"There is no more scientific evidence that "zhe" exists"

Yet another straw man argument, care to show a post of mine anywhere where I claimed there was scientific evidence for this? Your argument is just a list of logically fallacious claims, interspersed with bigoted rants.
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" You make far too many assumptions that are simply wrong."

Irony overload.
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"However, you can go ahead and claim I'm a bigot all you want. Coming from a hypocritical shill, your personal opinions literally means nothing to me, you ignorant fuckwit."

Again you were the one who claimed we could label people as we find them. So again your little tantrum is where the hypocrisy lies, you ignorant arrogant bigoted homophobic retard.

Now I'm guessing this one misses the irony a second time...Isn't it odd how bigots think the right to offend is exclusively theirs, and then cry that their rights are being infringed when people object.

Maketakunai's picture
You are truly an idiot...

You are truly an idiot...

You seem to be very good at saying what you don't understand, and you're also very good at avoiding any actual debate by claiming everything is a strawman or ad hominem. Unfortunately, you don't have any compelling arguments to back up your positions. In this conversation, for instance, your only position appears to be that since I don't agree with you that I must be a bigot.

Make your fucking case numbnuts. Hell; make someone else's case if you're too stupid to have one of your own. Lay out your brilliant (HA!) logical (HA!) reasoning for why we should enable the mentally handicapped by referring to them with made-up 3rd person pronouns.

I'm not sure why you think I'm offended by your stupidity though. I promise you my skin is thicker than yours, since you're the one who went out of your way to go through all this fuss and bother because someone doesn't give a whooping fundt about your precious little pronouns. ROFLMAO! Ridiculous little people like you are annoying, yes, but you don't have the wit to offend me Sheldon. Don't ever worry about that, kid.

Terminal Dogma's picture
@doesn't give a whooping

@make posts obsessive whooping rants about a pronoun and claims he "doesn't give a whooping fundt about your precious little pronouns"

The cognitive dissonance about what he claims he "doesn't give a whooping fundt about" is so obvious that it's almost cruel to let him keep embarrassing himself.

Sheldon's picture
"The cognitive dissonance

"The cognitive dissonance about what he claims he "doesn't give a whooping fundt about" is so obvious that it's almost cruel to let him keep embarrassing himself."

I know, it actually made me feel a little uneasy, like I was kicking a helpless puppy or something. If he wasn't being such an obnoxious bigot I'd have taken pity on him at that point.

Sheldon's picture
Wow still here?

Wow still here?

"avoiding any actual debate by claiming everything is a strawman or ad hominem."

Nope, but your inability to grasp that citing fallacious arguments is a valid part of debate makes your "truly an idiot" remark quite funny.

"Unfortunately, you don't have any compelling arguments to back up your positions. In this conversation, for instance, your only position appears to be that since I don't agree with you that I must be a bigot."

The first sentence is ironic since you haven't actually addressed a word I've said, preferring ad hominem fallacies. The second sentence is just a repetition of your earlier straw man argument misrepresenting the reasons I cited for labelling you a bigot, which had nothing to do with me disagreeing with you.

Your second paragraph is another tedious disjointed angry rant, filled with ad hominem fallacies. I've made my case and am happy for others to decide if what I posted has any validity, while you're busy offering nothing beyond angry rants.

" I promise you my skin is thicker than yours, "

Is that why you're posting increasingly angrier rants that have no bearing on your original absurd claim?

"since you're the one who went out of your way to go through all this fuss and bother because someone doesn't give a whooping fundt about your precious little pronouns"

You just implied I'd made no point, now you're claiming I've gone out of my way too make one? You've lost it precious. I don't know what a fundt is sorry?

Now have you anything to offer that's actually on topic? The word zhe not being in common usage is irrelevant to it's use, as all words start this way. Your objections don't stem from any valid objections to the word itself, but from bigotry towards people you are prejudiced against, that's axiomatic, as more than one outburst from you has amply evidenced that. The word zhe not referring a scientific fact is irrelevant to its use, as most words don't reflect scientific facts, what scientific fact or aspect of reality doe the words unicorn or mermaid reflect? Your attempt at debate is woeful, almost childlike. Are you a teenage boy by any chance? This would explain the posturing, the anger, the intolerance of people your fragile sexuality feels threatened by, the rank stupidity and ignorance of your posts, and of course the woeful grammar.

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