Here's my experiences with Atheism in a nutshell:
1.Magic does not exist.
2.Heaven does not exist.
3.Souls do not exist.
4.Everything we see, feel, and touch comes from our brain.
5.If people die, that means their bodies will rot away into dust.
6.Everything we ever learned as humans is a big fat lie.
7.The only thing people should believe in is science and nothing else.
8.If you’re not a Atheist, then you are a worthless human being and/or a idiot.
This is what I keep finding out of Atheists everywhere. They think that life coming from nothing but a mere accident is a "happy and rational thought". They claim that no afterlife and no God helps them live life happily, but for me it's the complete opposite. It makes me feel worthless and it also makes me want to kill myself. To learn that my and everyone else's entire existence was just a mere accident and nothing we will ever do as humans will change a damn thing. I might as well not exist anymore.
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@Michael Siegler
HAHAHAHA WHAT a fucking joke.
You state
"1.Magic does not exist."
Yep, magic does not exist.
"2.Heaven does not exist."
Yep, there is no proof of heaven.
"3.Souls do not exist."
There is no proof of souls.
"4.Everything we see, feel, and touch comes from our brain."
Nope, that is a lie. Atheists don't believe everything comes from our brains. You are just generalizing and oversimplifying. You are being intellectually dishonest!
"5.If people die, that means their bodies will rot away into dust."
Again an oversimplification on purpose to depict atheists as stupid. When you die you just die. Whether you rot or turn to dust is dependent on how or if you are preserved.
"6.Everything we ever learned as humans is a big fat lie."
Nope not true and certainly not what atheists say. Everything about a god is a lie for sure but not everything about everything is a lie.
"7.The only thing people should believe in is science and nothing else."
Nope, just another dishonest statement by you. You should only trust the facts. That goes way beyond science but it does exclude myths legends and faiths.
"8.If you’re not a Atheist, then you are a worthless human being and/or a idiot."
The above statement is just a flat-out lie. Atheists regard each person as an individual. To say all atheists regard anyone that is not an atheist as an idiot or a worthless human being is just a fucking lie.
At any rate, none of these are reasons to kill yourself. If you do and these or any one of these things is your reason then you are weak and lack reasoning. Why the fuck did you come here if you hate atheists so much. Atheists don't visit christian websites and spew hatred. It is telling that christian visit atheists websites just to spew hate. You are just one of a long line of morons that do that. Feigning suicide as an excuse to slander atheists is just so immature.
You are only proving my point here. You are making fun of my beliefs and and are insulting me. I am not slandering Atheists. I am speaking for personal experience since I have been to so many Atheist websites and forums.
@Michael Siegler .....
Lives of great men all remind us, we can make our lives sublime, and, departing, leave behind us, footprints on the sands of time.
Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
Now Michael..... how are you going to leave your foot prints .... in what field ....
What are you going to pass on to the coming generations .....
He's going to leave a shit stain watchman.
The answer is simple: I can't. Since apparently the world would be a much better place without me, I might as well just stick as the person who everyone points and laughs at for the rest of my pathetic life.
OP, you do understand that every person on here realized your dishonesty with your prior post. Transparently pathetic.
I'll just address the last two points...
"7.The only thing people should believe in is science and nothing else."
- Science or the scientific method, makes sense of data, what interpret and so fourth... There is no belief mechanism, but just simply use it to make sense of what we experience.
It is far better then clapping your hands like spastic, running around in circles whilst banging on about an imaginary friend that makes everything despite a lack of evidence in every way, shape and form.
"8.If you’re not a Atheist, then you are a worthless human being and/or a idiot"
- Your an atheist in regards to the non abrahamic god, so a pretty fucking stupid comment to make.
@mykcob....
Perhaps....but maybe someone else ,possibly someone who actually feels the way the Op says he does ... will read his post.... and think "I'm not going to sink that low".... and..... think some thing .....write something .... say something ...... DO SOMETHING !
Perhaps because of the Op the world will be a better place for someone ....even if its only one person.
Michael appears to be ignorant of the Law of Unintended Consequences.
("The Law of Unintended Consequences is a frequently-observed phenomenon in which any action has results that are not part of the actor's purpose.")
That's my take, too, Watchman. And you can never be sure: when is a troll not a troll? When it's a troubled, negative mind looking for help.
You're saying as if I'm the villain here.
No one's called you a villain, Mikey, but you came here basically calling us that: " If you’re not a Atheist, then you are a worthless human being and/or a idiot.
This is what I keep finding out of Atheists everywhere..." Perhaps you came here wearing your confirmation bias goggles?
confirmation bias
noun
the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories.
"You're saying as if I'm the villain here."
you're not the villain..we just don't care of what you think and believe..
just don't take it to hard when we atheist can't swallow what you're trying to shove it up in our throat..
by the way..its ok to say you don't know..don't act like you know things coz you really don't know..
you're grown up man for god fucking sake...go and make real hobbies...but not these bullshit...
we don't think you're villain..we just think your irrational...naive and vague. no hard feeling bruh...
YOLO..
If what you have written is genuine Mikey, all I can say is what you think is atheism is not right for you.
What you think is atheism wouldnt be right for anyone else for that matter.
What you described in your eight points doesnt resemble any plausibly sustainable philosophy with the possible exception of maybe nilihism.
Basically you dont understand what atheism is or how it can be expressed positively in ones life
I even think you dont have a reasonsble handle on religion for that matter.
I did not give up religion myself because religious people engage in hypocrisy or discrimination. I gave it up because I found the idea of a god was unsupportable.
I am an atheist because there is no god. If what your idea of atheism were at all true I would not have become an atheist. Your description smacks of the dogma of a religion.
Mikey you just havent done your homework for either atheism or religion. What you need to get rid of is your distorted view of both. You need to start again.
Good luck.
*edited for clarity
1. Look up the definition of magic.
2. It is a pretty silly idea. Full of conundrums and paradoxes.
3. Also a pretty silly idea. I know "immortality" sounds nice, a fantasy of many that people like to cling to but it really is childish.
4. Yep. What is so bad about that basic obvious fact?
5. We can prevent our bodies rotting if we want. Eject the body out to the cold of space it will never rot.
6. Not everything we learned, just some things.
7. Don't believe in science, believe in methods that utilize real world testable repeatable evidence. The stuff that keeps you alive, makes your life better.
8. I know lots of folks that do not identify as atheist that I like. And I do not consider them idiots.
I think you just want to try to prove to yourself that atheist are awful, you are right and they are wrong, because despite the fact you say you are highly faithful and confident in your religion you seem to be be highly threatened by the idea that atheist just might be right about there being no god.
Might be worth pondering to yourself why you feel so threatened by the idea of atheism.
Permit me to reverse your list Michael Siegler,
1. You want magic to exist
2. You want to go to a special place when you die
3. You believe you have an inner spirit that cannot be detected or proven but makes you feel special
4. You want to believe there is more to sensory perception then basic neurology which is studied and understood well.
5. You believe after death we fly away to a bearded cosmic wizard in the sky, or possibly his old friend down below.
6. Everything YOU have been indoctrinated to believe in, is a big fat lie.
7. You don't like the concept that science is the best way to make sense or understand anything and everything.
8. Now, who indeed sounds like the actual idiot?
What is wrong in believing in magic? What is wrong with wanting to go to a special place with I die? What is wrong with feeling special?
You guys are only proving my point here by laughing at me and calling me pathetic.
What's wrong with only believing what is demonstrably true?
Checkfuckinghmate.com
"You guys are only proving my point here by laughing at me and calling me pathetic."
You sought us out, I was happily oblivious of your absurdly silly delusional superstitious beliefs until you found me and told me about them.
So go cry some place else that you believe in nonsense, or grow a pair and discuss it like a rational adult.
Either way works for me.
"What is wrong in believing in magic? What is wrong with wanting to go to a special place with I die? What is wrong with feeling special?"
nothing, if you are four years old.
Well fuck you too asshole.
Such maturity and even headed responses from Michael. Makes me want to listen to every word he has to say as it is such great wisdom and source of wise patient knowledge for a truly great cause. I truly can learn from this guy!
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Oh...
/sarcasm
1.Magic does not exist. (WRONG) There is no good evidence for magic and no good reason to believe in magic. You are attempting to shift the burden of proof.
2.Heaven does not exist. (WRONG) There is no evidence for heaven. Again you are attempting to shift the burden of proof. If you think you have evidence for heaven, let's see it.
3.Souls do not exist. (WRONG) You keep trying to shift the burden of proof. Atheism does not have to prove a soul does not exist. You believe in them so it is up to you to demonstrate your belief to be true. If you can not, we have no reason to believe your assertion.
4.Everything we see, feel, and touch comes from our brain. Huh? That's just stupid. Our brain makes sense of all that we see, feel and touch. Generally it does this through education and experience but our brains can be easily fooled so we help them out with techniques of critical inquiry and the scientific method. Reality is not afraid of being examined.
5.If people die, that means their bodies will rot away into dust. (CORRECT) That is a fact. What's the objection. This is 100% verifiable. In fact you are turning to dust as we speak. You lose a billion skin cells a day and you don't even know it.,
6.Everything we ever learned as humans is a big fat lie. (Huh?) You are way out there in the deep end now. This one is not worth commenting on.
7.The only thing people should believe in is science and nothing else. (SCIENCE REQUIRES NO BELIEF.) Science is a technique and not a thing. There many techniques for many different disciplines. Not sure what you mean by "BELIEF" here. The scientific method has taken men to the moon, cured disease, and connected you to the world via this internet that you are now using. What has your God done? Neither belief nor faith are paths to truth.
8.If you’re not a Atheist, then you are a worthless human being and/or a idiot. (WRONG AGAIN) If you are a theist you are certainly ignorant of some very basic facts but you still might be a worthwhile person.
This is what I keep finding out of Atheists everywhere. They think that life coming from nothing but a mere accident is a "happy and rational thought".
(What makes you think that life came from nothing? This has nothing to do with atheists. Atheists are people that don't believe in Gods. Atheism says nothing at all about the origins of life.)
They claim that no afterlife and no God helps them live life happily, but for me it's the complete opposite.
(What afterlife are you talking about? I have never seen a shred of evidence for an afterlife.)
It makes me feel worthless and it also makes me want to kill myself.
(Have you thought of seeking professional help. You are not your silly ideas. The fact that your ideas are worthless really does not reflect on you, unless you begin feeling suicidal because someone points out how silly they are.)
To learn that my and everyone else's entire existence was just a mere accident.
What do you mean ACCIDENT? How are chemical reactions "accidents." How does that make sense?
and nothing we will ever do as humans will change a damn thing. I might as well not exist anymore.
You might as well live in a cave, hunt with rocks and eat raw meat if you think things have not changed. You just don't make any sense.
Your problem is that you are too blind to see the world you are living in and that depresses you.
I clearly see, Question Begging Epithets, Insertionism, Rhetoric of Imperatives, Disadvantageous Comparison Error, Intellectual Dishonesty and Iron man fallacy, within Mikey's posts. I am not taking him seriously.
What a pity party the OP is having!
My experiences with Michael Siegler....and why I hate him.
He's another lying theist troll.
Kerchinnng....
How is atheism to blame for you realising that religion is unevidenced wishful thinking?
Delude yourself if you prefer to, but the fact you're not mature enough to accept atheism is not the fault of atheism. Atheism isn't a creed and it has no teachings or doctrine. It's simply the lack of belief in a deity.
Accept it or don't, but do stop whining about it.
Actually.....that something from nothing is a theme from the Genesis fables and recent experiments in quantum physics suggests that it's an impossible state in nature. There was always something.
You're calling us idiots? Talk about mirroring. Idiot, you don't hate atheists. you hate reality. dumbshit
Hey, MCD, Mikey ain't with us anymore. I think he bailed out earlier today. Just FYI.
OP: They claim that no afterlife and no God helps them live life happily
Well, there's no single piece of evidence either of an afterlife or god/gods. And since 80% of the world population lives in poverty and 22.000 children die every day of hunger, I don't see how the belief in the existence of a magical being can help live life happily to most human beings... Well, unless you are lucky to be born in the right family and in the right city of the right country... then I guess it's easy to say a deity is fulfilling your happy life.
(Data here: http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats)
I don't need imaginary friends to be happy. We live in an amazing world full of wonders, one of them is our own existence, being great apes skilled enough to write poetry, to cure diseases, to invent a tool to intercommunicate the whole world or to fly to other planets.
P.S. Tin-Man, regardless he's still here or not, other people can read the thread...
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