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Watch "Why Are There Orderly Laws Of Nature?" on YouTube
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Sapporo's picture
The laws of nature simply

The laws of nature simply define what is possible. (Or alternatively, we determine what the laws of nature are based on what is possible). It isn't really meaningful to say that order was created by some agency that defined the laws of nature a particular way.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Well since it doesn't seem to

@Great hope
Well since it doesn't seem to cite interdenominational portals and aliens, real magic, demonic spirits, possessions, occult summons, dark arts, and spells; then it is slightly more rational than your normal material. But not near as funny.

Great hope's picture
Our universe sure is

Our universe sure is infinitely fascinating.
-Nikola Tesla

@Nylarhotep lol you should really check out Rick and Morty. It's genius level comedy. I'm sure you would love it.

arakish's picture
Frank Turek. Dumb ass retard

Frank Turek. Dumb ass retard. Nothing further need be said.

rmfr

EDIT: I only watched about 5 seconds. As soon as I saw Frank Turek, I closed the tab.

Great hope's picture
Yeah Frank Sarah is something

Yeah Frank Turek is something else. But, you see. God might actually turn out to be the reality. We still don't know for sure. So to call him a "dumb ass retard" is perspective. If God does indeed turn out to be the reality? Then Frank is on point. That's why I'm so baffled by athiesm. Live and let live, is the second golden rule. If you don't want to believe in God, that's fine. Why attack the man instead of the subject matter? It is possible to have empathy and see it from both perspectives. To see that if God does exist, would what they are presenting make sense? Most of us are baffled because some have such fervent surety that it is 100% impossible that a Creator could exist??? At what point did you hang up your coat, sit down with a Mai Tai, kick your feet up, and rest on your laurels? Saying to yourself that you have learned enough about God, and gave it every last effort to gain experience, and you are ready to bet with your life that it's 100% impossible that there isn't anything you missed. Even I am weirded out that it's by faith and experience of the Spirit. But I can't ever seem to give up on the single most important thing in life and death. I mean it's beyond me and I'm struck with child like awe and Wonder that this life and universe exists at all? If you just take a breath, logic would favor the greater. The simplest answer is that a mind created this. And if that's true? Then it's worth my lifelong persuit. Even if it's not, I've experienced so much in this life. But this simple concept has given me everything I've ever looked for or wanted. And through every (not supposed to happen) miracle after (not supposed to happen) miracle. It has become undeniable. So, I guess what I'm asking is why can't some just say, " well the whole God thing doesn't make much sense to me, but then again, I don't really know?" At what point did you make the jump to full blown I know that God does not exist?

Nyarlathotep's picture
Great hope - At what point

Great hope - At what point did you make the jump to full blown I know that God does not exist?

Not all atheist have reached that point. And in my experience those who have are a tiny minority.

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@Great hope

@Great hope

For me, bending my knee to a fictional entity is like going to the trouble of buying a hippopotamus and then sacrificing it to the Great Invisible Pink Bunny Rabbit in the sky. It is just as ludicrous, stupid, woo woo, insane, delusional, pick a name.

There is absolutely no reason for me to believe it exists.

Great hope, if you ever want to sway my opinion, I need more proof than "it makes me feel good". Midget porn is more realistic on delivering on that promise.

David Killens's picture
@Great hope

@Great hope

"At what point did you make the jump to full blown I know that God does not exist?"

How many times have you been informed that atheism is the lack of belief? Your ass-turd attempt to switch the burden of proof stinks all the way to the North Pole.

As Bugs Bunny used to say "sheesh, what a maroon".

arakish's picture
GreatHope: "So to call him a

GreatHope: "So to call him a "dumb ass retard" is perspective. If God does indeed turn out to be the reality? Then Frank is on point. That's why I'm so baffled by athiesm. Live and let live, is the second golden rule. If you don't want to believe in God, that's fine. Why attack the man instead of the subject matter?"

No. He is a dumb ass retard. He has absolutely no intelligence. No original material. All he does is give lip service to others who have said same bullshit many years, decades before he came along. Just from the many numerous speeches of his I have listened to, I can tell he has absolutely no schooling. His grasp on reality is tenuous at best. His knowledge of anything scientific is basically non-existent.

How many of his speeches have you listened to? Just a few? I have listened to dozens. That is why I shall not give that dumb ass retard any more opportunities of wasting my precious time. Frank Turek is the poster child for the "shit for brains" people.

rmfr

LogicFTW's picture
@Great hope

@Great hope

At what point did you make the jump to full blown I know that God does not exist?

I know there is no god like I know I am taking a breath of air right now. All the evidence, reasoning, logic, and simple common sense points to no god, but am I truly 100% sure? No. I am not even truly 100% sure I am taking a breath right now. But I sure do operate like I am taking a breath right now, and I sure do operate like there is no god, because while there is no perfect knowledge or certainty in life, you must operate in binary yes or no on some subjects in order to be able to move forward, you can not be stuck in internal what if's you would get nothing done.

Also look up Pascal's wager on google, or more specifically the rebuttal to it and why most apologist know not to use it anymore.

 
 

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Great hope's picture
@LogicFTW

@LogicFTW

Thank you. I like that answer and can see the perspective. Does death hold any curiosity or fascination to you? Also can anyone give me links to the quickest or best version of Pascal's Wager and the rebutle to it?

LogicFTW's picture
@Great hope

@Great hope
Wikipedia is not a bad place to start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager Scroll to the criticism section near the bottom to see a basic outline of rebuttals.

Death used to hold some curiosity, now I just assume it is like a long sleep you do not wake from or dream in. It is only a vague interest, kind of like: what happened during the time I was in deep sleep last night? Probably just lay there while basic functions of the physical body continued my mind was mostly shut down, and memory formation was near zero.

I certainly still fear death, that is kind of baked into us as a survival mechanism. We are essentially programmed to fear death, or we would not survive long enough to reproduce and care for the young.

 
 

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Sky Pilot's picture
Great hope,

Great hope,

"At what point did you make the jump to full blown I know that God does not exist?"

Various posters on this forum have pointed out numerous times that people have worshiped countless unique deities throughout the ages. Not one of those deities has proven to be real.

So which one of those imaginary deities do you believe in? You can chose from thousands of the critters. Don't be bashful, name your God.

Great hope's picture
@xenoview

@xenoview

The Creator and Giver of Life. There's only one of those. If that's what you seek? Then the plan will be revealed to you. It can use anything to draw you close to it if you stay willing.

xenoview's picture
@great hope

@great hope
No god created me, my parents had sex and then I was born.
God has failed to provide objective evidence it exist. When I was a Christian I tried to get closer to God, I prayed to God to reveal itself to me. God failed to reveal itself to me. I read the Bible cover to cover, that made me stop being a Christian.

Sheldon's picture
"The Creator and Giver of

"The Creator and Giver of Life. There's only one of those. If that's what you seek? Then the plan will be revealed to you. It can use anything to draw you close to it if you stay willing."

So that's three claims, and no evidence, again, dear oh dear.

Great hope's picture
Give this short song a listen

Give this short song a listen after taking a breath and just think for a minute or two, what if God actually is? Would I want to know? Did I give it my all for as long as it takes?

Watch "Propaganda - Lofty feat. Joel from Ascend The Hill and Beautiful Eulogy" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/GX0b6hxjyRs

arakish's picture
If you are going to link to a

If you are going to link to a song, make DAMNED sure it ain't none of that bullshit rap shit. On the third word, closed tab.

rmfr

Great hope's picture
@arakish

@arakish

Then you missed the whole message. Seems to be a more reoccurring theme than my video links. Lol

arakish's picture
@ GreatHope

@ GreatHope

No. I just cannot stand that rap shit no matter the message. And do not call it songs or music because it ain't. All it is just white noise of gorillas trying to hump a nut. Heavy Metal is another one that is pure shit. It is nothing more than white noise static. If I want to listen to that kind of noise, I always know where some construction crew in Albuquerque is using a jack hammer.

rmfr

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
Hm, The ending, "Must be

Hm, The ending, "Must be given by a law giver!"

A nice false dilemma.

Nyarlathotep's picture
From a moderator: we've

From a moderator: we've already discussed this, stop linking the same video over and over again. You're now on double secret probation: one link per video. If you feel the need to link it a second time, link to your original post where you linked it the first time instead; that way it will be obvious it is a duplicate, and you aren't preforming some seo.

Sheldon's picture
"You're now on double secret

"You're now on double secret probation: "

Nice, Animal House reference.

"It's time to grab the bull by the balls, and boot those punks off campus."

Great hope's picture
That's the first time I've

That's the first time I've posted either of those links.

David Killens's picture
That excuse is so week a five

That excuse is so week a five year old would not attempt it.

Oh, wait, you're one of those cult members, you do not take ownership or responsibility for your actions. Maybe the devil made you do it? hail mary, make a donation, OK, you are good for another week of stupidity.

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Great hope - That's the first

Great hope - That's the first time I've posted either of those links.

Do you think I'm stupid?
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Cognostic's picture
Comments are directed at the

Comments are directed at the video and not at the OP.

OH GOD!!!! Three seconds into it. Where do the laws of physics come from. When are the frigging theists going to learn that the laws of physics are descriptive and not prescriptive. We look at the universe. We notice consistencies. We notice that when we do specific things other things happen. The WE call it a law.

The idiot scientist is an Agnostic. FFS EVERYONE IS AGNOSTIC. No one knows a damn thing about God or gods. Agnostic is about knowledge. Atheist is about belief.

WHAT A FRIGGING MORON. SCIENTISTS DO NOT TAKE THE LAWS OF PHYSICS ON FAITH. They are demonstrable. No faith needed. If it can not be observed, predicted, or measured, IT IS NOT A FRIGGING LAW OF SCIENCE.

The world is rational because it is the product of a rational mind. Absolutely correct. We apply rationality to the world around us. Rational things we attempt to predict and explain based on observation. No matter how good a hypothesis is, it can not be a theory without being proved with facts and evidence. We are DESCRIBING what we see/ Our own minds create the order and when things do not fit into that order --- LIKE A FRIGGING GOD --- we assert that it can not be known and that there is no reason to profess knowledge until it can be proved,.

The laws of physics are what they are because they are observable and demonstrable. THEY WORK. When they no longer work or when something new comes along, perhaps they will change. We have no idea what is happening beyond Planck Time. Perhaps we will some day. Currently our laws of physics can not (describe it.)

If there are orderly laws of nature, there must be an observer capable of recognizing and separating that which seems orderly from that which we do not yet know. Laws need not come from anywhere other than non-directed chemical interactions.

Jumping to an all powerful magical omniscient creator of the universe that lives beyond time and space.......... IS MORONIC. You do not get to "imagine" a god into existence.

xenoview's picture
@greathope

@greathope
I apply xenoview's razor to the video.

Xenoview's razor
Objective claims requires objective evidence

Great hope's picture
@nylarhotep

@nylarhotep

Forgive me, I was confused about what you meant. It's a brand new video not even 24 hours old yet. When a notification came on my YouTube app. I clicked it before I was going to sleep. When I watched it, it made me think of you guys and I wanted to know your thoughts. I was in a hurry to post it so I just clicked on one of the already made posts and then added the comment. But then later I thought you guys might not see it. So then I decided to make a new thread when I woke up. I didn't know stuff like this is an issue in forums. Remember I'm still new at this. I definitely don't think you or anyone here is stupid. I will pay more mind to this in the future. Even though I really do want to be done with this as I feel it's a waste of time. And I can't give enough time to it. But, for some reason, I keep coming back lol. And I must admit, since I've come here. I have never stopped trying to gain the athiests perspective always asking myself, if a Creator doesn't exist? What would I do differently? But, the answer always comes back to nothing. I wouldn't do anything different. My whole life has been wrong. But this thing that I've connected with these last several years, has given me a life I could never have dreamed of, or produced on my own. And it all fell in to place the moment I let go, and said in my heart, forget all the bullshit... I believe! Now what are you going to do about it "you so called Creator"?

Your more than welcome to message me with anything if it's easier or better to keep the threads cleaner for everyone else. I really do thank you all for teaching me so much. Like I've said before, I'm a blend of roughneck, hillbilly, action, soldier type. Kinda like an outlaw old west cowboy type. This is all out of my character to write or have thoughts like this and actually care. Something must be stirring in my spirit lol ; )

Great hope's picture
@Xenoview

@Xenoview

Time will tell. We will all get more objective evidence than we can handle at death's crossing. "Step right up" "place your bets folks"

Lol it kind of reminds me of when a guy bet me 100 dollars that the world was going to end in 2012. I told him that it wasn't going to happen. He had anti radiation pills and a bunch of water and MRE meals at his house. But he didn't have enough sense to see that if he won the bet? I wouldn't have to pay him, because it was going to be the end of the world. Lol easiest 100 dollars I've ever made.

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