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@Old Man
HA! Got it! I think I'm tracking now. Granted, had to look up GUT model. And I watched a bit of that link Nyar sent. But I'm slowly catching up. (If you happen to smell burning oil, however, don't get too alarmed. Just the cogs in my head working in over-drive.)
At the moment my head is occupied with the theology and history of Islam. Interesting, very interesting, like game of thrones with real blood.
@Paul Porter
This known universe is estimated to contain a trillion galaxies, each averaging 200 billion stars. Mix in 14 billion years, and that is a heck of a long time, and a heck of a lot of stars where different combinations are tried out by random chance. Even after so many opportunities and so many years, 99.99999% of the universe is insanely hostile to life. It would immediately kill life. Even for your own physical body.
Even on this sole planet, we have learned that the evolution of any organism is one of many more failures before success. More than 99 percent of all species, amounting to over five billion species, that ever lived on Earth are estimated to be extinct.
That fact alone destroys "intelligent design" because any sentient all-knowing omnipotent being only needs to create one item. If that entity has to "try again", then that being is by definition, not all-knowing.
Who knows, there may be other gods making stuff, each playing around in their own individual universes. We just got stuck with the stupid version, akin to the stupid Rick from the TV series "Rick and Morty".
If you can agree that the god of our universe was the stupid one of all the multiple gods, then I will agree that the universe was designed.
But it's sort of embarrassing, that our god is the one that drools.
@Old Man. Re: David K. - "If you can agree that the god of our universe was the stupid one of all the multiple gods, then I will agree that the universe was designed.
But it's sort of embarrassing, that our god is the one that drools."
Ha! I understood THAT! So nanny-nanny-boo-boo to you. *thumbs in ears wiggling fingers at you*
@David K.
Try this one on for size...
We are just a school science project thrown together by the teenage child of some highly advanced race of beings, and once the Science Fair was over we got tossed into the kid's closet on this side of our galaxy and forgotten. Probably didn't help that he/she got a C-minus and didn't even place in the Top 10. Imagine if he/she had won first place. This planet would likely be on display in the family's living room right now.
There's an SF story from the 60s that is that exact theme....loved it been trying to find it again for years.
Of course, the probability that the universe has self-aware lifeforms is 100%. To say this is infinitesimally improbable is the conceit of such a lifeform...for a lifeless universe, the possibility of such conceit is 0%.
The fact is, it is certain that in all universes with conceited creationists, someone will be convinced that the universe was created for them by a deity.
*burn* Glad I grow so much Aloe Vera, I think I will offer the mods AV by the kilo for recipients of this kind of ripost.... love it and no charge. The burned ones collect.
Nah I got youse all beat: :"I feels it in my heart when I walk with Jeeesus, He exists in All His Majesty. I FEELS you Lord!"
:'The rest of you unsaved unbelievers will BURN! I know that to be true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
@Old Man Re: "The rest of you unsaved unbelievers will BURN! I know that to be true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Sorry. Just one exclamation mark shy of convincing. *snap*
Bugger. Here you are !
There are footprints on the top of the water in the Sea of Galilee so God exists.
It snowed this year in the Sahara Desert so hell froze over therefore God exists.
Ok. I'm not angry....just disappointed.
Seriously though doesn't simply saying the universe is fine tuned assert rather than present a compelling argument for a deity?
As has already been pointed out it assumes only life as we understand it could emerge or exist in any universe. How do we know that a different universe couldn't produce very different life? It also strikes me that it's pure assumption this 'fine tuning is a deity'. Can anyone demonstrate with only 1 universe to examine that it is fine tuned? How do we know what the probability is of a universe energing exactly like the one we see if we dont have any point of comparison?
As arguments go it has demonstrable weaknesses in both premises and conclusion.
@Sheldon
Here's one for you I just got reminded of recently...
If there was no god, who would we have to thank for beating the shit out of us and making our lives miserable so that we could learn what "good" is and appreciate that god for loving us so damn much?
Have you seen the western comedy A Million Ways to Die in the West? There's a scene in it when the hero is arguing with his girlfriend about whether he's being a coward for refusing to fight the local gunslinger. He's stung by her suggestion of cowardice and can't believe she wants to him to get himself killed.
She says "but you might win" and he says "no chance, I'd look like I have Parkinson's if I drew against him"
Then she says "What's Parkinson's", and he smiles and says "Oh just another of God's delightful little surprises to show how much he loves us"
I laughed fit to burst, and I'd recommend the film, it's damn funny.
@Sheldon Re: A Million Ways to Die in the West
Haven't seen that one yet, oddly enough. I like that type of humor. Actually, been meaning to watch it ever since it came out, but It's just one of those I keep forgetting about whenever I want to watch a movie. Gonna have to keep it in mind.
Yeah, with somebody like God watching over us, who needs BDSM?
This thread was started for theists to demonstrate the best arguments they have for the existence of a deity, after their failure to demonstrate any objective evidence. As we can see the usual collection of fallacious reasoning and cliched apologetics were trotted out and thoroughly debunked. So again whether their sadistic and barbaric bronze and iron age religious tomes are anyone's idea of a moral blueprint for humanity is largely moot.
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