The Bigger Picture: China, Climate Change, and The Fall of the America

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The Bigger Picture: China, Climate Change, and The Fall of the America

I stumbled on this interesting video series about climate change, and how it relates to other significant events, including the rise of China, and the fall of the American empire (destruction of the USA). The current state of the planet is taking us closer and closer to a global dictatorship, from which there be no escape. Any thoughts?

Here is the link: bit.ly/WhatToExpect2020ChinaClimateChangeEconomicCollapse

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Old man shouts at clouds's picture
*sigh* At my age I can't

*sigh* At my age I can't really be bothered. You young uns can fight it out.
Me...I am opening another bottle of Pinot Noir and enjoying the sunset with wife, Captain Cat and scruff the Weiro....

Cognostic's picture
I completely agree that we

I completely agree that we are heading towards a "One World Government." Climate change in the form of natural disasters or a global pandemic will certainly play a part in the power struggle for global dominance. The good news is that I will not be alive to see it. This will happen with or without global change.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
It will not be "one World

It will not be "one World Government" it will be the last corporation standing that owns everything. With a dummy corporation as pretend competition.

Cognostic's picture
Isn't that what we have now?

Isn't that what we have now?

Whitefire13's picture
My issue...

My issue...

Graham “ planet is taking us closer and closer to a global dictatorship, from which there be no escape. Any thoughts?”

Click baiting. I have yet to read a thread started by Graham where he expresses his opinion and cites the source material.

Until “he” can articulate in his own words the reason for his wanting a certain YouTube video watched and actually begin a discussion, I decline to “click”.

David Killens's picture
Me too. Unfortunately for the

Me too. Unfortunately for the OP, he is generating a reputation for just click-baiting with zero personal opinions or perception being expressed.

Graham, please offer more than just a sensationalist headline and zero personal input.

I have not watched any of his videos yet.

Cognostic's picture
Climate is always changing.

Climate is always changing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_bXzc6hfGM
Lecture by Mario Molina, Nobel Prize in Chemistry

Another wonderful lecture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmlHbt5jja4

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Chuck here. Politics and the

Chuck here. Politics and the Apocalypse haha this should be good...

There is an amazing paradox at the moment with regard to the politics surrounding global warming and utilisation of the world's resources.

There are a lot of right-wingers who claim to have faith in God, at the same time that they have many justifications for ignoring all of the warnings about global warming and warnings against wasting the world's resources. They go so far as to stick their heads in the sand and say that resources are inexhaustible or that global warming is not happening.

Then we have the left-wingers, who tell us that there really is a serious problem, one that will require some extreme changes in the way we live if we want to save the planet. They sometimes do things like buying cars that get better fuel consumption, boycotting multi-national corporations for one reason or another, and contributing to vague charities that are supposed to be doing things that magically make up for the damage they do when they fly around the world. But when you take a closer look at these lefties you often find that they are, on the whole, still using more resources and contributing more to global warming than the average person in the developing world.

You would be lucky to find a political party anywhere in the Western world that advocates taking (right now) the steps that are really needed to end our use of fossil fuels (no more petrol driven cars, switching entirely to wind, solar and other sustainable sources for household and business electricity) and to wipe out health and nutrition disadvantages in the rest of the world (no more crop imports from developing countries, and an end to any form of economic control over such things as medical breakthroughs and development of seeds and other food sources). Everywhere politicians wait for someone else to take the lead, or they make token changes like recycling plastic bags when often it is what goes into those bags that is doing the most damage. Over-consumption won't stop until someone with enough political clout cuts off the supply, and in democratic countries, such a government would never be elected.

The issues are complex, and some steps to save the environment have proven to be of little practical use, while others have actually made matters worse. It is easy to understand people from both sides just giving up and taking the attitude (whether openly, as with the right-wingers, or secretly, as with so many of the left-wingers) that we are going to lose this battle anyway, so we may as well have as much fun as we can along the way. The only thing that is going to reverse the trend and save the world is drastic, radical changes to our entire way of life on this planet, and no one knows how to make the whole world make those changes. If individual governments feel helpless to change the trend, how much more do each of us as individuals feel the same sense of hopelessness?

The only people who are going to do anything about this problem are ones with ideals that extend beyond life itself. If we are all on a sinking ship, does it mean we all have the right to step on one another to reach non-existent lifeboats? Or are there isolated individuals who will die without giving in to their natural selfish instincts?

It has been argued that the problem with any discussion of end-time prophecy is that it creates in believers a feeling of hopelessness that makes them reason, "We can't change the outcome anyway, so why bother trying to change this world for the better? Just enjoy it the best you can and preach about a better life later." Certainly there is abundant evidence of that amongst those who profess to believe the Bible. But it does not, in my opinion, come from an honest attempt to understand the spirit of Bible prophecy.

The Revelation ( 11:18 ) says, in reference to the end of the world as we now know it:
Quote: "...Thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

We see two groups here: one is the God-fearing saints/prophets/servants of God, and the other is "them which destroy the earth". There is nothing in The Revelation to suggest that there is a middle group that destroys the earth but is still considered to be serving God. Nor is there anything in The Revelation to suggest that there will be a turn in the tides of world politics to reverse the destruction of the earth. So those who participate in this destruction of the earth's resources (by using more than their share), will not be regarded by God as "saints or prophets", and they will, in fact, be destroyed. How does that set with those who argue that they can get away with ignoring the warnings about over-consumption and global warming simply because they have a ticket into a better world? I think we need to look again at the conditions for getting that ticket, and take steps to stop using up this world's resources right now.

Only those people who have a faith which demands adherence to unselfish principles, whether or not they succeed in changing others, will do the right thing in these last days. All those who argue that talk of heaven and hell, final judgment, life after death is pointless, need to come up with some better reason for people to make the kind of radical sacrifices that are needed to reflect the Golden Rule in these dying days of our planet. Are we prepared to change our lifestyle in such a way as to live at the level of the Third World? Are we prepared to live off the scraps of a wasteful Western Society? Are we prepared to alter our spending habits in ways that will reflect what would be a standard of living that could sustain the entire world? And, most importantly, are we prepared to do it even if no one else does?

For me personally, I would find that virtually impossible to do if I did not believe in a higher spiritual level of existence that will transcend life. Because I am answerable to the Creator of the Universe, I feel that I must make those changes even in the face of total annihilation of the human race. And I feel that I must do all I can to urge others to make those changes as well.

I am trying to do that because I want the world to reverence God as I do, to submit itself to his loving will. But I also do it because I love the world that God has created and the people that he has created. For me, both of these reasons merge into one; yet factions have argued for decades that it is an either-or thing, where you either love God the Creator or you love the world he has created. People on both sides (left as well as right) need to re-think the whole concept of God, and humble themselves before him, for the good of everyone, including themselves.

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@ Chuck Graham

@ Chuck Graham

"For me personally, I would find that virtually impossible to do if I did not believe in a higher spiritual level of existence that will transcend life. Because I am answerable to the Creator of the Universe, I feel that I must make those changes even in the face of total annihilation of the human race. And I feel that I must do all I can to urge others to make those changes as well."

Chuck, your profile states you are an atheist. What are you, a theist or atheist? And if a theist, please correct your profile.

Grahamcracker's picture
Chuck here. It really doesn

Chuck here. It really doesn't matter whether I'm an atheist or a Christian. Titles are irrational and are usually used to appeal to ones pride.

LogicFTW's picture
@Chuck Graham

@Chuck Graham
Do you ever consider how arrogant sounding it is to think it is even remotely possible that you are "answerable" to the creator of the universe?

Think of it this way, it is a bit like saying: some random ant in some random ant hill somewhere on this planet is answerable to you, for the actions it has taken. And that metaphor does not even cover a fraction of the arrogance and general incompatibility of the idea.

Cognostic's picture
Chuck Grahm: You are

Chuck Grahm: You are demonstrably wrong. " It really doesn't matter whether I'm an atheist or a Christian. Titles are irrational and are usually used to appeal to ones pride."

There are no Atheists in the set of all Christians. There are no Christians in the set of all Atheists. You have no idea at all what you are talking about. It is impossible to be both a Christian and an Atheist at the same time. A person might fluctuate between groups; however, you can not simultaneously hold a belief that the evidence for God or gods existing is sufficient and the evidence for God or gods is insufficient.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Chucky

@ Chucky

People on both sides (left as well as right) need to re-think the whole concept of God, and humble themselves before him, for the good of everyone, including themselves.

Actually, no, no they do not.

They need to get off their arses and only elect politicians committed to actually DOING something. Its fuck all to do with any god or gods, or new age claptrap.

It is about political will vs vested interests and inaction.

*back to my Pinot Noir and watching the sunset* "now fuck off Chucky there's a good chap."

Cognostic's picture
Old man shouts ...

Old man shouts ...
I'll second that! Problem is that the government has not been in charge of anything for decades. America IS a corporation and its board of directors IS big money.

LogicFTW's picture
@Thread @Cognostic

@Thread @Cognostic

Politicians and priest are virtually synonymous to me.

First they frequently heavily rely on each other, with plenty in reality, taking up both jobs.
They both tell pretty stories of hope and leadership and change for the better etc.

Meanwhile both are happy to drive home in their expensive cars, to their expensive and nice homes, after a day of lying to people that frequently live very different lives then they do.

Quite often caught up so much in their own lies and the system, they are not even aware of the lies they tell, honestly makes them better at their "jobs" if they believe the lies they tell, themselves.

As for the U.S. the government I am most familiar with, it is the same as everywhere else for the most part, for most of human history.

Only difference is, the US benefited from:
- 1st Massive material wealth (stealing the mostly unspoilt land from the natives.)
- 2nd Then enhanced that massive material wealth with massive slave labor, from people stolen from their homes in Africa on a scale never before seen.
- 3rd were the ultimate victors of world war 2. Especially economically. Holding 90+% of the world supply of gold when, currency was based on gold, then used this power to take money off the gold standard, and made the dollar the world reserve currency. But let's not forget being the first with the ability to level entire cities all at once with a push of a button, of which there was no defense to.

Which ensured even beyond the economic might, no other country could possibly say "no."

Which created the largest "middle class" the world has ever seen. I put middle class in quotes, because for the rest of the world for the most part, would consider the US middle class from 1950's to 1980's as rich.

Cognostic's picture
@LogicFTW: Agreed - And

@LogicFTW: Agreed - And they all rely on the same bullshit fallacies.

Grahamcracker's picture
Chuck here. What we need is

Chuck here. What we need is a new government, a new economic policy. This would solve all the problems in the world. Let me explain...

Here is where the problem starts.

[deleted plagiarized copyrighted material, read it here. Dude, don't copy and paste webpages here -Nyarlathotep]

^the article that was deleted from this forum by the moderator is a part of our community website jesuschristians.com there is no copyright on it.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Chucky

@ Chucky

jesus who? You have any evidence of the jesus as described in the gospels? You know contemporary evidence? No? Thought not.

Reenders your maundering verbal diarrhea somewhat pointless doesn't it old boy....

*sips pinot noir, strokes Captain Cat appreciatively* Now do fuck off Chucky old chap you are annoying me.

Grahamcracker's picture
Charles here. Evidence

Charles here. Evidence related to Jesus' existence is off topic. Do you have a comment that's related to the new economic policy article, climate change, a global dictatorship, fall of America, etc?

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Chucky

@ Chucky

I quote from your tediously long ramble

"THE SOURCE
This is always the hardest part to get across: This inspiration really came from the teachings of Jesus Christ. That's right; I am a Christian.

You are a liar as well.

Change your fucking designation in your profile.

*sips Pinot Noir, Captain Cat fluffs and growls deep in throat while lashing tail* Now fuck right off Noddy, you bother me.

LogicFTW's picture
Is it charles? Or chuck?

Is it charles? Or chuck?

Are you not sure what name you are going with from 1 post to another?

Edit: oh I see "chuck" is gone now.

Also seems not only did he have confusion of his name, but also had confusion if he was or was not atheist. Seemingly eithir a very confused fellow, or possibly something more sinister.

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This article is from our

This article is from our community website jesuschristians.com and there is no copyright on it.

[deleted SAME plagiarized material. Read it here.-Nyarlathotep]

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Sorry guys, I felt I had to

Sorry guys, I felt I had to remove the user: Chuck Graham.

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Re: The removal of Chucky

Re: The removal of Chucky

Thank you, Nyar! Thank you very much. That guy reeked. I was about to call a fumigater. Definitely no need for you to apologize for that fantastic decision to toss his stinky ass out the door. As always, great job by the mods!... *thumbs up*...

Nyarlathotep's picture
Well if his aim was to troll

Well if his aim was to troll someone, he wins: I'm trolled.

David Killens's picture
Chuck, IMO you are obviously

Chuck, IMO you are obviously a theist being dishonest by stating you are an atheist.

Clean up your own act before you try to fix the world.

Grahamcracker's picture
Chuck here. Whether I'm a

Chuck here. Whether I'm a theist or an atheist really isn't relevant to the discussion. Do you have a response that's related to the thread topic?

David Killens's picture
@ Chucky

@ Chucky

"Chuck here. Whether I'm a theist or an atheist really isn't relevant to the discussion. Do you have a response that's related to the thread topic?"

I know you can no longer post here, but I do wish to respond.

You do not control the forum, and dishonesty is not appreciated.

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If anyone hadn't already

Jesus Christians are apparently considered a cult by many sources; although I can't say I have any experience with them before today.

It seems they are associated with Australia. Anyone from there have any experiences with them?

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Nyar

@ Nyar

Re Jesus Christians

Nope, never heard of them.

Some of our country towns have enclaves of tiny cultish religions. Some have grown enough to literally take them over. Fortunately they die soon after their leaders.

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