I feel so hopeless

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mickron88's picture
"I feel so hopeless"

"I feel so hopeless"

we really can't disagree with you if that's what you think about life...that's your notion of life, freedom of expression..

but try to look of the difference between how atheist and theist live...

you'll get it, you don't have to be smart to observe the difference...

Sushisnake's picture
I think Mikey's gone, Quasi.

I think Mikey's gone, Quasi. His profile comes up "Oops! You don't have access" and unless there's a privacy setting I'm not aware of, I think that means he left the forum.

Tin-Man's picture
@Sushi

@Sushi

Yeah, I do believe Mikey has left the building.

Sushisnake's picture
It's a shame. I went to send

It's a shame. I went to send him a PM because the more he said in his posts, the more worried about him I became, but he'd gone. Perhaps he's still reading his threads, though.

mickron88's picture
i guess.. miss cyb did the

i guess.. miss cyb did the kicking-ass-out-the-door again..hahahah

just clowning miss cyb...

it's different when you have that kind of power..hahah..kickin ass and stuffs like that..warnin people

do you sometimes feel annoyed miss cyb, by this irrational earthlings that pops here in AR?

CyberLN's picture
No, actually. I don’t feel

No, actually. I don’t feel annoyed. I consider what I think is best for AR and act accordingly.

I will add that if anyone thinks it’s easy for me to ban someone, you’re dead wrong. I struggle with it each time.

Sushisnake's picture
I wouldn't find it easy

I wouldn't find it easy either, Cyber. I'd worry that the person was troubled, not a troll. We had a troll turn up on another forum I'm a member of. This troll claimed he had Autism and mimicked someone with Bipolar Disorder, in a manic phase. He did a good job of it- quite a few of us were sincerely worried about him. Turned out he was a troll, he'd done it before on the forum and this was his new sock puppet. Why do people do that? I sort of get why people catfish themselves as something better than they believe themselves to be, but why do that? Why deliberately mock people with disorders like Bipolar?

Inexorable's picture
Sheldon you really do not

Sheldon you really do not help the atheist cause here. You’re comments are shallow and based on your anger towards religion. Insulting people only shows your ignorance and lack of tolerance. I thought I was here to read intelligent arguments not intolerant insults. I guess I set the bar too high for this forum.

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Sheldon's picture
There is no a theist cause I

There is no atheist cause I'm aware of. There simply is no evidence that the superstitious beliefs of religions are true. His mocking arrogant attack on atheism because it supposedly depressed him is nonsensical, and his follow up thread was when I lost my patience as he was obviously an ignorant troll.

My comments initially were not shallow at all, but typically as a theist you make a claim and offer nothing to support it. Now that's shallow.

I agree insulting people can be an indication of ignorance when that's all that's offered, so why don't you address his insults then, and now yours ? Typical hypocritical double standard theists seem happy to apply when their condescending arrogant sententious preaching is met with a candid reply.

So far all you've done is defend an obnoxious troll, and insult others. Maybe that's high bar for you, in which case perhaps a purely religious forum is more your speed.

Now do you want to exchange insults or address any of the actual content of my original response which addressed his op directly in an expansive reply by offering one word of substantive reply beyond whining and insult?

I'm guessing the former, but I'm game either way.

Sheldon's picture
Walter "You’re comments are

Walter "You’re comments are shallow and based on your anger towards religion. Insulting people only shows your ignorance and lack of tolerance. "

Well my only response to him is reproduced verbatim below. Could you explain which points you find shallow, and explain why. Then please point out where I have insulted him. Then you can explain why you wrongly think my observations are based on anger at religion, rather than observed facts about the lack of evidence and the way religions often behave.

After your accusation my post is shallow and ignorant I'm sure you'd welcome the opportunity to post something of substance beyond the pure insults you've offered so far.

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Hi Mikey,

The problem here is that on the one hand you're searching for answers, but on the other hand you imply that only certain answers will satisfy your questions.

You must decide if your priority is the truth or if it is to mollify your feelings of "hopelessness" .

Q1. Why do I exist?"
A1. This rather implies that there is a reason. If there is no real evidence to support the idea that there is an ultimate purpose then again you must decide if you're really seeking the truth, or if the truth is not as important as feeling good about the answer.
Q2."Why must I seek happiness?"
A2. Well this isn't true of course, it seems innate in us but we are not forced to do this. Also you should try and realise how subjective a term this is.
Q3."What is my purpose in life?" I
A3. Again you seem to be begging the question, by implying there is "a purpose" in the sense it's somehow predetermined. Your life's purpose can be almost anything you choose, indeed it need not be just one thing. I'd recommend you don't pressure yourself into focusing on one single thing either, as even the best plans are apt to go wrong. Rather derive purpose from all aspects of your life that you enjoy, and that those you care about enjoy.

Looking for answers is fine, but we must never assume those answers must fall into our a priori ideas about life and existence. If you accept that the universe doesn't care about us anymore than ants it can be quite liberating. Being dissatisfied is easy, but unless you use it to motivate yourself it's also pretty pointless.

If religion seems like a hollow sham then don't let yourself be seduced into the idea you need it. Life has to be better without the hypocrisy and bigotry so many religions create

Inexorable's picture
Mykcob is another example of

Mykcob is another example of this.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Walter

@ Walter

Then I suggest you start a thread of your own and demonstrate your idea of a civilised debate.

Insulting members of the forum just gets you off on the wrong foot.As Tin Man said spend some time reading the debates already on the forum before leaping to the Isle of Conclusions.

I happen to know that both Sheldon and Mykcob4 ( whom you have singled out for abuse) are genuine characters and are generous and kind almost to fault when not affronted by culpable stupidity, trolling or ignorance.

mickron88's picture
"are genuine characters and

"are genuine characters and are generous and kind almost to fault when not affronted by culpable stupidity"

i totally agree...old man..speaking of which

hey..what happen to Myk anyway?

Inexorable's picture
I offered no insults that I

I offered no insults that I am aware of, if reality hurts, it is not my fault. I make observations of the things that are already posted here. I thought that this is the reason for giving people the opportunity to comment. I can’t help it if you guys are so fragile that a couple of truths would bring you all down sobbing. Gird your loins stop crying and lets get it on!!! I have no time to spend here trying to reason if you guys are unreasonable. I was under the impression that this site offered thoughtful arguments not whinny responses to an opposing view.

CyberLN's picture
Walter, define ‘unreadonable’

Walter, define ‘unreadonable’...what are the parameters for what you consider in/reasonable?

Sheldon's picture
Walter Rivera "I offered no

Walter Rivera "I offered no insults that I am aware of,"

Walter Rivera "Sheldon ...You’re comments are shallow.....Insulting people only shows your ignorance....I thought I was here to read intelligent arguments......I guess I set the bar too high....

Really? The appalling spelling is an insult on its own. You have yet to address my post either, not one word on the actual content to support your claim it was shallow, or where you think I insulted anyone?I think you're as big a troll as Mikey,.

Seriously why are theists unable to abbreviate you are?

Walter " I was under the impression that this site offered thoughtful arguments not whinny responses to an opposing view."

WTF is a "whinny response"? You've offered no view, on anything, just name calling and trolling. When you offer something, anything of value I'm sure someone will address it.

Inexorable's picture
Really? You need me to define

Really? You need me to define reason and it’s opposite? I thought that’s what this site claims to have. But if I must, “a statement presented in justification or explanation of a belief or action:”
Dictionary.com
An inability to produce that staement makes you unreasonable.

Tin-Man's picture
@Walter

@Walter

Ooooo.... You're a feisty one. Arrogant and condescending, too. Goody-goody. Just the way I like them. *Big Grin* You may be my newest and most bestest buddy. *joyfully clapping*

CyberLN's picture
Ok, Walter, you defined

Ok, Walter, you defined reason as, “But if I must, “a statement presented in justification or explanation of a belief or action:” “

That means then, that you are defining reason (as in un/reasonable per my previous post) as a mere statement presented in justification of a belief? So if I said that I believe elves live in my yard because my flowers are pretty, that would be me using reason?

If not, the wtf do think the parameters of reason are? What mechanism would YOU use to measure it?

Sheldon's picture
Atheism is not a belief.

Atheism is not a belief.

Atheism
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
Dictionary.com

Inexorable's picture
Calling names will only

Calling names will only prevent the demolition of your arguments temporarily. I like you too by the way. I am not just saying that. Allowing me to come in and set you guys straight gives me great joy.

Tin-Man's picture
@Walter

@Walter

Oh, dear. My apologies. I wasn't calling names. I was only making an observation. I could be totally wrong about your sounding arrogant and condescending. I've been wrong before. And since I'm not making any arguments to demolish, I'm afraid you would find very little challenge and joy in trying to set me straight.

However, there are several other godless heathens on this site who could definitely use a sound and proper spanking to bring them to their misguided senses. All that logic, reasoning, and independent critical thinking they use gets pretty damn annoying after awhile. I feel like you are just the guy we've been waiting for to come in and cleanse this wicked den of sin and inequity. Carry on, my brother! Lead the charge!

dogalmighty's picture
"I was under the impression

"I was under the impression that this site offered thoughtful arguments not whinny responses to an opposing view."

Hey Walter, what's up? Do you have a question or statement?

Inexorable's picture
Thanks Tin man. The least I

Thanks Tin man. The least I can do is to privide you with a real person that you and your buddies cab throw your arguments at, instead of just spouting at the mouth against straw men.

Tin-Man's picture
@Walter Re: "...you and your

@Walter Re: "...you and your buddies cab throw your arguments at, instead of just spouting at the mouth against straw men."

Hey, one of my best buddies is a straw man. And we would always be spouting off at one another. Since he had the brain, he would always have the better come-backs, of course. Plus, I never really had the heart to get too mean with him anyway.

Inexorable's picture
Hey Dog, read above buddy.

Hey Dog, read above buddy. Catch up. Use that little brain. Hopefully your pot induced coma will allow you to put it all together.

dogalmighty's picture
"Hey Dog, read above buddy.

"Hey Dog, read above buddy. Catch up. Use that little brain. Hopefully your pot induced coma will allow you to put it all together."

LOL, Thats too funny...how ironic. You are supporting what looked to be a fellow theist in his dishonest smear campaign, by pointing out the insults thrown at him where low brow...and here you are insulting me...LOL, too funny.

Again, do you have a question or statement, or are you just here to argue about everything, with everyone.

Sheldon's picture
I think his grasp of irony is

I think his grasp of irony is on a par with his grammar and spelling, but either way he's been shown a yellow card. He's in the sin bin for now, with Brad. I wonder if they can still read posts?

Bye guys, it's been emotional...

Ah well, the search for someone that can demonstrate any objective evidence for any deity will have to continue without them. At least for now anyway.

Cognostic's picture
@Tin-man

@Tin-man
The best thing you can do for depression is exercise. Exercise will cure most depressions and lessen the severity of major depressions. Sitting around on your butt and complaining is counter productive. Finding a whiny rescuing therapist is BS. They will keep you in therapy for years while they agree with your depressive state and encourage you to whine and complain - the very thing that helps create depression.

After reading that, if you are even quasi intelligent - YOU ARE CURED! Have a great life.

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