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@Flamenca
I actually disagree with you a tiny bit here, I do not feel life begins when you are born, just being born is a major, MAJOR! milestone in one's own life. Life for humans began long, long ago when the first cells arose and began to divide in a successful manner to be still repeating that process, (in a much more complex form!) to this day.
I imagine you meant one's own personal life though, not "life" in general. To me, and this is my own opinion, my own life began at my earliest memory. Before that, I was a pile of cells working in concert much like any other pile of cells. Life to be sure, but not "me."
@LogicforTW: "I imagine you meant one's own personal life though, not "life" in general".
Of course. I was just trying to make a point to answer @Michael's concerns, that's all.
You've misunderstood what was meant by "life is precious".
I am precious because I exist? So just the idea that we simply exist is considered a accomplishment. BULL.FUCKING.SHIT.
As I said you have misunderstood the point, yet again.
@ sushisnake
Abstinence courses don't work but I know I have never had sex with a woman. I did suffer sexual abuse as a child does this make me not pure. Should a woman be able to choose to have an abortion if a child might be born disabled or slightly disfigured.
"Should a woman be able to choose to have an abortion"
Yes, the rest of the question is superfluous. The reasons are for individuals to decide upon, but every woman should have that right.
@Ali
^^^This
@Ali
"Should a woman be able to choose to have an abortion if a child might be born disabled or slightly disfigured."
This gets into a slightly different debate then abortion. One I am happy to get into. I think the real question you are asking is: "is designer babies morally wrong?" Whether that is done via abortion or via genetic manipulation? Where is the line?
@Ali: I did suffer sexual abuse as a child does this make me not pure.
Is that a question? If It is, my answer would be that you have all the right to enjoy your sexuality despite the attrocities you could have suffered in the past.
But if they're homosexual, the they have no reason to live since the only reason why we exist is so we can reproduce and homosexual's can't do that. Life is reproduction. Nothing else.
@Michael, who says the only reason to exist is to reproduce? Who says life is only that?
Each individual is the one who decides what purpose their life will have and how they want to spend their precious time... For instance, you choose if you want to be at this moment having fun with friends or reading a good book, or wasting your time repeating the same ideas over an over again in an online forum.
Old Man Shouts told me life is about reproducing.
@Michael
Homosexuals can reproduce just fine. They do all the time. Why cant homosexuals find someone of the opposite gender and reproduce? What is stopping them? Additionally these days with in-vitro etc, the act of sex between a male and female is no longer required.
About the only thing homosexuals can not do is have the genetic offspring that is comprised of solely their dna and that of their homosexual partner. And one day medical tech advances may be able to surmount that barrier as well.
Michael "we exist is so we can reproduce...... Life is reproduction. Nothing else."
What's your opinion of nuns?
No one gives a shit about my opinion. Only facts matter.
Here is a fact for you, we are biologically driven to live. If I were to start to push you towards a large fire suddenly and unexpectedly, you will find yourself fighting very hard to not be pushed towards that fire. No matter how suicidal you feel, all that would be forgotten in an instant as you struggle to live and avoid pain.
If you were walking on a nature trail and you saw a large animal that wanted to end you suddenly you will find that your will to live will be very powerful, overwhelming. And after the encounter you will be at least momentarily, be elated that you lived. You would probably feel more alive then you ever felt.
There's no such thing as "willpower". You are just making shit up. THE FACT IS THAT NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT I THINK AND FEEL. SO FAR I HAVE ZERO AGREEMENTS IN THIS WEBSITE. NO ONE HERE GIVES TWO SHITS ABOUT ME.
Pretty sure at this point you are just trying to elicit response. Your all cap sentences does not help your case.
I never mentioned willpower. Sounds like you are also not interested really in hearing what people have to say. Expecting people to care much, about you on an anonymous forum is most likely going to end in unmet expectation.
As I said before, if no one you know personally care about you, I suggest you work on finding people in your life that do. It may require you to have an attitude adjustment and not be as dark or gloomy to be able to better facilitate finding friends that care. If you have to, fake being not depressed, you are capable of that.
Michael "NO ONE HERE GIVES TWO SHITS ABOUT ME."
You are of course lying, as quite a few posters have tried to be helpful, and show they actually do empathise, but do you really think relentless aggressive antagonism is the way to achieve empathy from strangers on the internet?
On the one hand you whine endlessly that no one respects your beliefs, which no one needs to do by the way so get over it, then on the other hand you come to a forum you must know has mainly people to whom your beliefs are at best an irrational fantasy. If you don't see the problem here then let me extrapolate, you're attitude is piss poor, and you're trying to use emotional blackmail to demand people treat religious beliefs in a way that is anathema to them. Why expend the energy on here, when you could quite easily go to a forum or chatroom where the majority of posters would share your beliefs? I'm sorry but none of this rings true for me, and your obsession with getting hits from the agree button is risible, even taking the time to hit it once yourself for each of your posts and giving a single disagree for everyone else. This an atheist leaning site ffs, so it is impossible to ignore the fact that you what you really want is confrontation.
One of the main reasons why the republic of Ireland are changing their abortion laws and that was the death of Savita Halappanavar. Who died of septicemia after being refused an abortion when she had a miscarriage.
@Ali, about Savita Halappanavar, that's terrible. But despite the catalyst, it's good news they decided to consult their citizens about it. And it's quite satisfying to realize how many people are changing their minds on this issue and It certainly proves RCC is losing its enormous historical influence on Ireland.
To All Who May Be Interested...
I have been avoiding this thread. At least I think I have... I just cannot stand discussions about abortion. Damnit, it is a moot case. Here is my take on abortion.
Every woman has the right to an abortion. Regardless. Especially in cases of rape and endangerment to the woman's health.
Of course, my ultimate take is that contraception should be a FIRST CHOICE. And fuck what the Catholics say...
Women, if you want to have casual sex, and do not want to get pregnant, then take the birth control pill.
And guys, quit being such sorry shit-headed assholes. Go buy some damn condoms. Such a thing is YOUR responsibility. Not hers.
Case settled. AFAIAC.
rmfr
Edit to add: Just checked. This is my first post in this thread. It is also my last. I may still read it...
Why is there no mention about the lack of change of the abortion laws in Northern Ireland.
Because it is still in cahoots with Britain as part of the UK??
Ireland is not part of the UK. Only Northern Ireland.
rmfr
Yes but they are different compared to the rest of the UK.
@ Ali
Ali that is because the 6 counties have their own nominal Parliament, and, to appease the religious nutters and to preserve their governmental majorities in Westminster successive Tory and Labour governments have appeased and toadied to the likes of Ian Paisley and others of his ilk by allowing exemptions to the law for those areas. It may interest you to look up the actual percentage of females travelling from Northern Island for "holidays" or "extended shopping" almost exactly matches the abortion rate recorded for the whole of the UK. In other words exactly the same number of young women in Northern Ireland have abortions, they just travel to mainland UK to do it.
There was a recent move by the Northern Irish MPs in Westminster to disallow NI women the right to abortions in the UK, it was quashed. In future they will just take the bus to the border.
Shouldn't they have the same right as the women who live in Great Britain and have an abortion in the country they live in.
Ali
To understand the concept of the Westminster system and they way it devolves to the four Nations that actually make up the "United Kingdom" would take a while. Scotland has had separate laws of property, criminal law and enforcement since the Act of Union. Northern Ireland has had its own laws on religious observance, criminal law and property since the Border was enacted (sorry cant remember the name of the enabling Bill) and Eire became a separate nation no longer part of the British Crown hegemony. Because of the balance of power often held by the Northern Irish MP's they have had disproportionate influence on the ability of the Crown to govern equally in Northern Island and Mainland Britain.
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