JoC: The Filicidal and Homicidal Psychopath

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arakish's picture
@ Joc

@ Joc

Last time.

“And some Christians do take some Biblical verses out of context and I would call them out on it as well and I have! That doesn't however, make it okay for everyone else to do so.

Bold text. Just by saying that you are saying atheists are not allowed to pull verses out of context.

Sad that an educated engineer cannot see that.


jonthecatholic's picture
So you'll just throw away

So you'll just throw away what I said just before that? This, my friend, is a prime example of taking things out of context. Note what I said before that:

"... and I would call them out on it as well and I have!"

Sky Pilot's picture


"Seen together with Verses 39 through 42, you can see the exaggerated language being used. It's seen time and time again that Jesus does use exaggerated language many times to show his followers a certain point. The point is then expressed starting verse 43."

What is the exaggerated language used in Matthew 5:39-42? Don't you think that the Yeshua character meant what he said? He said not to resist the evil person but to turn the other cheek when he slaps you upside your noggin. He said to give the person who sues you more than he asked for. He said to do more for the person than he demanded of you. And he said to give the person what he asks or demands of you without any back talk and not to ask for it back.

What is exaggerated about that? He followed it up in other verses showing how to do such things in real life.

Are you sure that you are a true believer? Your deeds seem to be very weak and you might not get into the golden cube because of that. The very next time someone asks you for some money if you don't give that person all the money you have on you things will go very badly for you on Judgment Day.

jonthecatholic's picture
If you don't see the

If you don't see the exaggeration in the language there then I don't think we'll agree on this or any other passage.

Sky Pilot's picture
JoC, OK.



toto974's picture
Which group of people?


Which group of people wanted to kill the boys of the Hebrews?

jonthecatholic's picture
You can read Exodus 1 for

You can read Exodus 1 for that.

toto974's picture
Yes I could read it, but you

Yes I could read it, but you are the one claiming Yhaweh is moral.

jonthecatholic's picture
Okay. And so? Where is it

Okay. And so? Where is it that we disagree then?

toto974's picture
I will read it and we shall

I will read it and we shall continue, my intuition was that in that story, not all Egyptians was into slavery nor were benefiting from it.

jonthecatholic's picture
The story does center on the

The story does center on the Pharaoh of Egypt. I would say that that could possibly be true. Even the midwives of the Hebrews (which I assume from the text are not Hebrews) didn't follow through with Pharaoh's instructions. So it's quite true that there could've been sympathizers from Egypt.

Sky Pilot's picture


"In Exodus 1, you'll see a group of people wanting to kill the boys of the Israelites."

Who had it better, the Israelites in Egypt or the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, or the Jebusites when the Israelites came to their towns?

Deuteronomy 20:16-17 (ERV) = 16 “But when you take cities in the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you must kill everyone. 17 You must completely destroy all the people—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. The Lord your God has commanded you to do this."

That is some First Commandment stuff.

jonthecatholic's picture
Dio, this thread (as I

Dio, this thread (as I thought i understood it) would focus on a specific story in the Bible - God hardening Pharaoh's heart. As much as I'd want to respond to this, it could easily go haywire since it would lead us into answering tangents of tangents.

arakish's picture
And you are wrong. Look at

And you are wrong. Look at the title. I only started with one story about how the sky faerie you worship is a megalomaniacal psychotic sociopath who is actually a murderous demon. Are you sure you are an engineer? Your grasp on English seems shacky.

Once again the title is: JoC: The Filicidal and Homicidal Psychopath.

Where does it say the plagues of Egypt? Exclusively?

You need to learn reading comprehension dude. The title is about your sky faerie is a murderous psychopath.


jonthecatholic's picture
Yes, I am an engineer and we

Yes, I am an engineer and we've been through this discussion multiple times.

You ask me to explain the Bible and all the perceived evil things in it...
I ask you to cite one because as an internet forum, doing everything will take up more time than I have on my hands.
You refuse and cite the same Bible verses again.
I again ask you to cite one
(repeats many times)
You then start this thread which to my surprise involves exactly one story.
I thought, "This is it! He's chosen one quote!"

Sorry if I mistook your actions to mean you wanted to talk about one thing and one thing only. As my time is limited and internet forums generally go nowhere, I'll have to avoid the topics (for now) until we come to an agreement that we stick to one and only one topic.

I believe that's a reasonable request.

"Where does it say the plagues of Egypt? Exclusively?"

Well, it doesn't. But given the context of our interactions lately, you can see how I understood it to be that.

"Your grasp on English seems shacky."

- Gasp! Insulting my grasp of the English language. Classy.

Sky Pilot's picture


"God hardening Pharaoh's heart."

At various times the Pharoah was the Israelite's God and savior. At other times he was their adversary. The Israelites had a nasty habit of bunking with whoever offered them a better deal. The fairy tale is cluttered with all kinds of interlocking threads and it is dfficult to untangle them. But whenever the Israelites got into trouble they always wanted to go to the Egyptians for help. If you read the fairy tale you will find examples of that.

jonthecatholic's picture
Agreed. Pharaoh was like a

Agreed. Pharaoh was like a God of the Israelites. Actually, you point out something that it true throughout the Old Testament and quite frankly, even today! The point of the Exodus story was to remind the Israelites of the one true God. Now, even if you don't believe in God, you can see that that's the point of the story. It says that God is more powerful than any man on earth (even Pharaoh).

arakish's picture
@ JoC

@ JoC

So you say your Sky Faerie is not murderous? Do you also say your religion is not murderous? Do you also believe in the Divine Command Morality?

Homicidal - of, relating to, or tending toward murder.
Exodus 21:15
Exodus 22:20
Exodus 32:27-29
Leviticus 20:10
Leviticus 21:9
Leviticus 24:13-16
Leviticus 26:21-22
Numbers 1:51
Numbers 25:4-5
Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Deuteronomy 17:12
Deuteronomy 18:20
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
1 Kings 18:39-40
2 Kings 19:35
2 Chronicles 15:13
2 Chronicles 28:9
Esther 9:5-6
Esther 9:13-17
Isaiah 34:5-7
Jeremiah 50:18-27
Jeremiah 51:20-23
Lamentations 2:17-22
Ezekiel 5:11-16
Ezekiel 9:4-6
Ezekiel 35:7-8
Hosea 13:4-9

Genocidal - relating to or involving the deliberate killing of a large group of people of a particular nation or ethnic group.
Genesis 6:6-8
Numbers 21:2-3
Numbers 31:7-40
Deuteronomy 2:32-34
Deuteronomy 3:3-6
Deuteronomy 7:1-2
Deuteronomy 7:16
Deuteronomy 13:12-15
Deuteronomy 20:10-19
Deuteronomy 20:16-17
Joshua 6:21
Joshua 8:25-28
Joshua 10:28-40
Joshua 11:10-11
Joshua 11:12
Joshua 11:16-20
Joshua 11:21-22
Judges 1:22-26
Judges 18:1-28
1 Samuel 15:2-3
1 Samuel 15:7-8
1 Samuel 27:8-9
Jeremiah 50:21

Infanticidal - the act of killing an infant; the practice of killing newborn infants; a person who kills infants.
Exodus 12:29
Leviticus 26:21-22
Numbers 31:17
Deuteronomy 2:31-34
Deuteronomy 3:3-6
Deuteronomy 13:6-11
Deuteronomy 28:53
1 Samuel 15:2-3
1 Samuel 22:19
2 Samuel 12:13-18
2 Kings 2:23-24
Psalm 137:8-9
Isaiah 13:11-18
Jeremiah 13:14
Jeremiah 19:3-9
Ezekiel 9:4-6
Hosea 9:11-16
Hosea 13:16

Filicidal - a parent who kills, or daughter.
Genesis 22:2
Exodus 22:29-30
Leviticus 21:9
Leviticus 26:27-29
Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
Deuteronomy 28:53
Deuteronomy 28:56-57
Judges 11:11-39
Jeremiah 19:9
Lamentations 4:10
Ezekiel 5:9-10
Zechariah 13:2-3

Aborticidal - the killing of an unborn fetus, an abortifacient.
Abortifacient: Causing abortion.
Numbers 5:21-22
Hosea 9:11-16
Hosea 13:16

Want to rethink your answer?

JoC: “"Why would I use the same version of the Bible the Catholics have used to become the largest immoral criminal syndicate on the planet? Hell, even the A1611KJV Bible has been used by Christians to create several large immoral criminal syndicates here in the United States."

- this is an old and tired argument which doesn't actually address anything. Granted all your claims are true (which I'm not saying they are), they don't actually prove the truth or falsity of the claims of Christianity. Think of any ideology you hold. There will be immoral people that hold to that ideology and it does not mean that that ideology is false. Also, this is a great way to shut down a civil dialogue.”

Bold text. And which of my claims are not true? The way you and your ilk believe in your Sky Faerie have huge implications on how to address the question of whether your Sky Faerie is the most horrible, murderous, and terrifying monster ever created by humans. Since you believe your Sky Faerie is moral when that unholy book of lies says the opposite is true, then I am going to say those who believe in and follow that unsubstantiated obsolete Bronze and Iron Age book of abominable faerie tales plagiarized from far older sources is the largest immoral and evil criminal syndicate on this planet. And you are just as criminal for believing in it.

Remember. You have it backwards. It was humans who created your god in their image: murderous, jealous, infanticidal, genocidal, rapine, and the list goes on. Even if you say god created us in his image, does not all our capacity to commit sin come from your Sky Faerie? Ultimately, it is your Sky Faerie that is the ultimate source of all evil. Thus, it is murderous.


jonthecatholic's picture
You do realize that we've

You do realize that we've come full circle and as such this will not lead anywhere fruitful. I've seen this list of yours before and I asked you to pick just one coz if you force me to answer all, then we'll never end here. When you started this thread, I assumed you chose the time when God hardened Pharaoh's heart and to that, I gave a reply. And now, you're back to all of this.

Then you have a side question, which I assumed was a simply a side question to which I answered again and now, you're bringing it up as if it were the central argument. I would like for this thread to focus on the original topic and not stray into other minor topics. Note: you focused your reaction to a parenthetical comment which was an answer to a side question you had and now, it's somehow the main topic.

arakish's picture
JoC: " I assumed you chose

JoC: " I assumed you chose the time when God hardened Pharaoh's heart"

Guess you don't know English very well then huh? Or is it your reading comprehension sucks. Topic Title: The Filicidal and Homicidal Psychopath. The OP was simply just the start. That topic title could have been re-worded to: "The Murderous Psychopath." You need to improve your reading comprehension skills.

JoC: "I would like for this thread to focus on the original topic and not stray into other minor topics."

Yet you are trying to derail the topic by making an assumption. The Topic Title is clear as crystal. I cannot see how you can assume that the topic title said anything about "The Exodus Myth". If you wish to discuss the Exodus Myth, start a new thread. My topic title is about how your sky faerie is a murderous psychotic sociopath.

And always remember what does: Makes an ass of u and me. Mostly U in this case. I clearly stated my Topic Title.


jonthecatholic's picture
Okay. Sorry for the

Okay. Sorry for the misunderstanding then. As stated, I won't answer to this any longer.

arakish's picture
And all of our discussions

And all of our discussions are over. See this post.

Religious Absolutist to the core. Continue walking that dark path dude.

And I still doubt you are an engineer. You cannot be an engineer and not see how evil your religion truly is.


David Killens's picture
The entire exodus story is

The entire exodus story is fictional. Yes, there were jewish tribes living in the north of Egypt, but not as slave, but mercenaries. Eventually the jews left, and during the following forty years almost all the tales that identified the jewish religion and culture came to be.

All of the exodus story, from the jews fleeing Egypt to the parting of the seas to Moses and his tablets were all invented.

arakish's picture
JoC: "If I were to take

JoC: "If I were to take someone's life by killing them, that would be immoral because that life was not mine to begin with."

Yet you have the monstrously immoral belief that none us actually have our own life. And you wonder why I say religion is Pure Evil and the make-believe monster you believe in is nothing more than a despotic demon. If it even exists. You have yet to prove your demon actually exists.

BTW: If you are still wondering, my Topic Title did spell out exactly what this thread was about. The Filicidal and Homicidal Psychopath. I still cannot figure out how a supposed engineer can confuse that with the exodus myth. As said, the OP was just the beginning. You said one topic. Topic chosen is about how your sky faerie can be murderous, and I titled it The Filicidal and Homicidal Psychopath. Next time, perhaps you should have limited it to one verse.



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