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After fleeing in terror from the Church this year, I found the documented evidence. The Australian canon lawyers published two documents. The first is a legal report entitled “Canon Law – A Systemic Factor in Child Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church.” (free download from National Catholic Reporter) The second is the lay version “Potiphar’s Wife.” (buy on line for real money) Both explain the Misprision of Felony laws that must be enacted to FORCE THE BISHOPS TO TURN THE RECORDS OVER TO POLICE. This should also be another tool in law enforcement’s belt to force witnesses to testify. They would need to be written to protect witnesses from violence.
May 27, 1917 was the 100 year anniversary of the beginning of ‘legal’ pedophilia in the Catholic Church; because that was the day that pedophilia became a “crime” with NO PUNISHMENT! DO NOT FORGET THAT THE VATICAN IS ITS OWN SEPARATE COUNTRY. On that day, the vatican decided that pedophilia wasn’t a crime IF NO ONE KNEW ABOUT IT. The law made secrecy about pedophilia paramount and all cases had to be handled directly by the vatican; which had no provisions for punishing them. The penalty for breaking the vow of silence was AUTOMATIC EXCOMMUNICATION.
I was a 50 year plus Roman Catholic watching the pedophile crisis in horror, especially when the previous entity in possession of the vatican compared women who want to be priests to pedophiles. Then the PA bishops ordered all the priests to blatantly lie about PA Bill 1947 which extended the statute of limitations on pedophiles. Bill Donahue of the Catholic League was especially eloquent. “The only purpose of the bill was, To stick it to Catholics.” If the only purpose of the bill was to stick it to Catholics, then he must believe that the purpose of the Catholic Church is to rape children. This would coincide nicely with his belief in ‘Catholic astrology’ – Philadelphia Archbishop Slap You is listed as one of his principle supporters.
They falsely claimed that PA Bill 1947 bill unfairly targeted non-profits. They said that the bill excluded those in the public sector. The bill says the exact opposite. It specifically waives sovereign immunity so those in the public sector can be sued. They forced all the parishes in the state to publish their lies in their bulletins. (The fact that the bill itself was poorly designed is beside the point.)
I complained to my local priest; who handed out the "Catholic' League’s Essay "Women's Moral Descent" with its theme that men have the right and moral obligation to decide which women deserve to be raped. When Bill Donahue is held up to me as the epitome of Catholic truth and wisdom, that sonic boom you hear is me fleeing out the door. I called my daughter at college, crying, saying that all the priests were depraved perverts totally dedicated to worshipping their dicks. Her response, “Duh, Mom!. I’m sorry you had to figure it out in such a painful way.” I fled the Church in terror and will never set foot in a Catholic Church again.
Then the lying depraved thugs endorsed the lying depraved thug for president, proving that they believe that abstinence isn’t a choice, it is a privilege revocable by any male a woman may come in contact with. Because a woman’s body must ALWAYS be available to worship a man’s penis.
Bishop Slap You, who has done more than any other bishop in the US to jepodize the health and safety of young people was just chosen to represent the US at the Sin Nod on Youth.
Then it got even worse. I checked this with one of the Australian writing collaborators and the legal firm named in the movie “Spotlight.” Pre Benne Dick, I wouldn’t have believed any of this. Now, I believe every word. The “mercy” prayer”, endorsing men murdering wives by false claims of adultery helped convince me.
I knew that the incompetence of the Church over the pedophilia crisis and everything else could not possibly be accidental. It had to be deliberate. Both books are both enlightening and explained a lot of things I had seen in the Church that didn’t make a bit of sense before.
37. 100 Years ago - RATHER THAN ADMIT THEY COULD BE CAPABLE OF MAKING A MISTAKE, AND FREAKED OUT BY THE THOUGHT OF RADIO, (remember the effect of the printing press) THE POPES WROTE CANON LAWS THAT EFFECTIVELY TURNED THE CHURCH INTO A ‘LEGAL’ WORLDWIDE, CHILD PROSTITUTION RING!
Both books are useful tools to document the process and the legal remedies that can be taken to stop them and force the bishops to turn over the records. (Now I see where Marino got the inspiration to create his legal drug pushing rings!) Misprision of felony was abolished in most jurisdictions. The canon law requires the bishops to obey civil law where THEY ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO REPORT. It is getting worse. Francis was all – We are a nation of pedophiles – in front of the UN.
The vatican has proudly and effectively proclaimed that Christ is the Great Penis in the sky to which you must sacrifice children. I WILL LITERALLY BE DAMMED IF I WORSHIP THE GREAT PENIS IN THE SKY TO WHICH YOU MUST SACRIFICE CHILDREN!
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I thought it was legal? That's what I learned at "Boy's Town." The Catholic Church has been molesting children since the beginning of time.
Did you go to Boy's Town? My mother 'interned' as a student nurse when she went to Creighton in the 1950's.
No. Any group of people is going to have bad apples. Prior to 1917, the Church just turned them over to the civil authorities. Read the free legal reference I mentioned. “Canon Law – A Systemic Factor in Child Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church.”
In 1917, the pedophiles took over the vatican. Remember, this is just after WWI. The 'pope' watching all the other crowned heads of Europe rolling (sometimes literally) freaked out. The other big freak out was the invention of this new communication break through - the radio. First thought in his head - Oh no, now everyone will know we molest children!
He decided that pedophilia was ok, AS LONG AS NO ONE KNEW ABOUT IT!
Canon law was changed to try all cases of pedophilia in house in the vatican and swear all the bishops to secrecy on pain of immediate excommunication. A bishop with a pedophile priest can do nothing except play pedophile roulette and ship the records to the vatican. They have no authority to fire them or defrock them.
@Mrs. Paul Owczarek
Have you tried using prayer to your god to stop the pedophiles? The only thing that will stop the pedophiles, is when the catholic church is sued by the victims when they become adults. Any church is like a business, if you take them to court and they loss, they will change the way they run the church, or face more lawsuits and loss of money.
You are correct of course. Or of course the RCC could try and live up to their claims to be the sole arbiter of "god's perfect morality" on earth. Clearly think raping children is a lesser consideration than preserving the interests of their church. It almost makes one wish that hell was real.
Actually, I pray every night for the conversion of the vatican from paganism to Christ.
From a practical matter, I NEED SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS LEGAL TO TRANSLATE "MISPRISION OF FELONY" into a petition to change the laws. The website title says you all "give s shit" so YOU prove it.
The legal reference I started this post with is written by an ex canon lawyer giving a report (how to guide) to the Australian government on how to pass civil laws to circumvent the vatican's promotion of pedophiles. I don't speak legal, so I don't know how much of this has been done in the US and what can be done to tighten the net. It also seems useful to trap other felons as well.
Keep in mind the fact that the church and didn't try to stop these attacks. Instead, what they did was transfer priests from parish to parish to avoid accountability
No. I was just making a historical reference to demonstrate how long this BS has been going on. I figured most people on the site were too young to know about it and it might make a good research project for some. Little boys being flown around the USA with Cocaine shoved into dark places by the good Catholics is always a good read. Did they ever make a movie???
What in the world is this about cocaine?
Always makes it exceedingly difficult to believe in divine based objective morality when there is pedophilia occuring in the supposed religious organization ordained by the "divine god."
If "god" can not even keep his own religious leaders morale, where is that "objective" morality at?
But pedophilia is moral. The guards who arrested Jesus, on the night of his arrest, had no problem at all with the little naked boy that ran from his bedchamber.
"And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: "And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked."
But all was not lost for the love of the naked man for Jesus was strong!
"And entering into the sepulcher, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; " Mark 16
The Catholic Church responses:
The Bishops and archbishops in Australia are up in arms, pouring money into lobbying to prevent a key recommendation of our Royal Commission into Institutional abuse which documented over 6000 cases in the catholic church alone in recent years.
The recommendation from the commission is that all priests and members of the church MUST report to the poilice and suspected cases of child abuse, of course, that includes the confessional... so we have the edifying spectacle of the archbishop of the archdiocese of Melbourne, Denis Hart, responding by saying the seal of the confessional was “inviolable” and “can’t be broken”. He said if someone confessed to abusing children, he would encourage them to admit to their crimes outside the confessional so that it could be reported to police.
wow, just wow thats effective ain't it "encourage'.
Hart also said the commission “hasn’t damaged the credibility of the church”.
Last August, Hart upset many abuse survivors and advocates when he said he would risk going to jail rather than report allegations of child sexual abuse raised during confession.
The Catholic church is corrupt, vile and must be brought to heel in all western democracies.
two different concepts. It was the secrecy OUTSIDE the confessional that is corrupt and needs to change and that I am fighting to change.
To confess and not fulfill the penance of reporting invalidates the confession. It is the whole force of the Church to bring the believer to the point of redeeming their lives. It is supposed to be the strength and insistence to repair as much of the damage as possible, not a get out of jail free card to keep doing as much damage as possible.
"To confess and not fulfill the penance of reporting invalidates the confession"
No it doesn't according to our bishops. Many of them still subscribe to the idea (more than 20% of all clergy according to the Royal Commission) that sex with prepubescent boys is not against their vows of celibacy. Also more than 70% of the senior clergy agreed with the concept of "pre-pubertal tempters" and when punishment handed out it should be taken into account that the clergy were 'tempted' beyond control by these children ...
Yeh I can see the 'outside the confessional' only working real well.
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The secrecy of the confessional as being inviolable is (I believe) infallibly defined and I’d like to think it’s for the best as it does open the sacrament to everyone without fear that they will be judged. Forcing priests and bishops to reveal confession secrets is like forcing them to denounce their religious beliefs. It’s a violation of their religious rights.
" It’s a violation of their religious rights."
When they rape children they have no 'religious rights" Your defence of this terrible institutionalised criminal fraternity is the reason the Catholic church is shedding numbers and members more rapidly than my cat sheds it winter coat. The louder Bishops and apologists bleat about "religious rights" the more members move away from the Church. That day cannot come quick enough for the victims.
Plus what Flamenca said.
JoC, you wrote, “It’s a violation of their religious rights.”
No, it’s the protection of a predatory criminal over the protection of powerless victims.
@JoC Re: "....It's a violation of their religious rights."
Oh-holy-hell.... *groan* Not exactly the kind of thing a person cares to read first thing after waking up in the morning. Great. May have to postpone breakfast now, as my appetite mysteriously vanished all of a sudden.
JoC, I have spent a majority of my life putting my own life at risk in trying to protect and defend those who were innocent and/or unable to protect/defend themselves. Obviously, children, elderly, and the mentally challenged were high on my priority list to shield. And now you come in here DEFENDING the arbitrary "religious rights" of the very sick and twisted predators who have left such a vast trail of broken young bodies and minds in their wake. And you do so by saying they should be allowed to admit to their heinous atrocities without fear of any repercussions. And you WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree it is all perfectly okay and acceptable. And what is even worse, you actually seem genuinely baffled as to why most everybody else on here cannot see your "infallible reasoning". Holy-flying-fuck-on-a-stick, dude! Damn, I hope you do not have kids.
Ya know, come to think of it, I suppose in some way I should actually be thanking you. Because whenever I happen to get some of those annoying little residual feelings of doubt about my views against religion/god, all I have to do is read a couple of your posts, and all those doubts are instantly wiped away. Because if being a "true and faithful Christian" requires me to think like you, then I want to stay as far away from it as possible. (Oh, and thanks for spoiling my breakfast.)
"The secrecy of the confessional as being inviolable is (I believe) infallibly defined and I’d like to think it’s for the best as it does open the sacrament to everyone without fear that they will be judged. Forcing priests and bishops to reveal confession secrets is like forcing them to denounce their religious beliefs. It’s a violation of their religious rights."
I'm going to take a deep breath here. Now then calmly, fuck the bishops, fuck the confessional, fuck their religion, and fuck their rights, these scum are raping children, and any other consideration beyond stopping them, and then locking them up forever is irrelevant. Anyone who thinks differently has lost all sense of morality in favour of superstitious adherence to dogma.
Given how widespread the crimes are now when their actions can be scrutinised and criticised, one can only imagine how the RCC behaved when it was beyond all criticism. Put simply the RCC has been and is complicit in the endemic rape of children in their care for centuries, and in protecting the paedophile rapists, and ensuring they stay free and are moved away from justice to rape again and again. The whole disgusting racket ought to be closed down, and the relevant evidence seized along with all their assets, and everyone in any way culpable dragged off to the Hague to face prosecution for crimes against humanity.
Oh and can I just say, fuck their rights...what a truly immoral disgusting thing to imply that their rights are more important than stopping the rape of even a single child.
@Sheldon Re: "Oh and can I just say, fuck their rights...what a truly immoral disgusting thing to imply their rights are more important than stopping the rape of even a single child."
Like Old Man says, I really wish there was a "1000 Agrees" button to press on here.
i've noticed jocs photo..
are you Illuminati joc?
just kidding bro
Rights is the wrong word. Dogma isn't really correct either. Delusional justification is closer.
From reading Kieran Tapsell, the word is "Ontological" - The concept is that upon ordination, a priest is 'magically' transformed into someone who can do no wrong.
It would be wonderful if baptism could change a child into an angel who does no wrong instead of shooting up a school or wedding vows into two people, lovingly caring for each other and their children all their life instead of the man using the 2X4 stud to crack his wife's skull and throwing her so that she miscarries. It is a wide chasm between wishful thinking and psychotic delusion.
Don't just blame religion (God). The secular corollary is all the men who immediately wrote the female gynecologist to tell her EXACTLY what was wrong with her vagina. I am waiting for the psychiatrists to figure out how that happens.
The canon law problem is the firm belief that of course a priest would NEVER rape a child and all those evil, English speaking children are lying and trying to seduce those poor innocent priests. Also cross reference the secular #METOO movement.
They wrote the law accordingly so that ALL cases of pedophilia HAVE to be tried by the incompetents in the vatican. A bishop with a pedophile priest can do NOTHING - UNLESS THE CIVIL COURTS FORCE HIM TO TURN THE RECORDS OVER TO THE CIVIL AUTHORITIES. = This Misprion of Felony thing that Tapsell is talking about. So stop whining and look for something USEFUL to do about it.
The pope is NOT the only monarch/ruler to believe they are God, only the most blatant.
Old Man & JoC - You are BOTH lumping two very different issues together and missing the key of the problem.
Old Man - you seem to be Australian so you may be able to help the best with access to the legislation that is being passed and the legal feedback. I wouldn't know how to Google to get what I want to pop up and don't speak enough 'legal' to be able to use if I did.
The problem is the vatican GOVERNMENT (Remember the vatican is its own separate country) was taken over 100 years ago by the pedophiles.That is what the legal report documented. Since then it has been 100 years - 2.5 generations for the problem to fester and grow. The canon laws are protecting pedophiles OUTSIDE the confessional. This is not religious.
Cross reference the Trump presidency for delusional, tribal, paranoia. The religious have been distracted from what is going on.
This problem has entered the CIVIL LAW sphere. I NEED AN AMERICAN LAWYER WHO SPEAKS BOTH LEGAL & CANON LAW.
The ones I have found so far are only concentrating on the right to sue. THAT IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE and only lines the pockets of a few and their lawyers. I need to find one or a group motivated enough to sift the laws of both. The American version of Kieran Tapsell. (I can only led moral support i.e. prayer to the other countries as I know NOTHING about their laws.)
There were several firms of lawyers involved with the hearings but on lawyer was the "friend to the Commission" i.e gave legal advice re civil and canon law. Just google the Royal Commission into Institutional Child Abuse and his/her name should be there.
I am sure he would have contacts in your jurisdiction,
I think that would be the lawyer whose books I read.
Your Google suggestion at least brought up the report summaries. I will try to sort through this weekend and see if I can find the text.
@JoC Forcing priests and bishops to reveal confession secrets is like forcing them to denounce their religious beliefs. It’s a violation of their religious right
Are you serious, Jon? Is It more important to respect their beliefs than making justice while preventing suffering to innocent children, who in some cases, pay terrible consequences during their entire lifetime? You, and your Church, need to review your moral system ASAP. I am appalled you are defending this...
I am serious. I agree we need to punish the guilty party in this. I agree we need to gather evidence against them. But I realize there are ways to get certain information that is off the table.
Forcinng priests to break the seal of confession is one of those ways which are off the table, together with torture.
I understand that this is something hard to hear. But you need to understand that for Catholics, confession has a certain purpose and using it as a way to catch criminals is using confession for something it’s not meant to be used for.
Just to put your mind at ease, there are things that Catholic priests can do to bring about justice. But revealing confessions is definitely not one of them.
@JoC Re: "Just to put your mind at ease, there are things that Catholic priests can do to bring about justice."
Yeah, they are doing one helluva bang-up job on that so far. Hooray! Perhaps they could pray a little harder about it. Yep, my mind is soooo much more at ease now.
Edit to say: Fucking pathetic
"I am serious. I agree we need to punish the guilty party in this. I agree we need to gather evidence against them. But I realize there are ways to get certain information that is off the table."
Would that include those members of the RCC that were accessories to the crime after the fact? The people who are helping to cover it up, and move the paedophiles to different areas to avoid prosecution, where they can start raping children again? Also those members of the church hierarchy that are sequestering documents pertinent to the crimes? How far up would you be prepared to pursue this, Bishop? Cardinal? Pope?
"Forcinng priests to break the seal of confession is one of those ways which are off the table, together with torture."
Luckily you don't get to decide that your superstitious beliefs are more important than stopping a child being raped, thank fuck.
"I understand that this is something hard to hear. But you need to understand that for Catholics, confession has a certain purpose and using it as a way to catch criminals is using confession for something it’s not meant to be used for."
You need to understand I don't give a flying fuck what you or anyone else believes, stopping paedophiles raping children is a far higher priority, and speaks volumes about your moral priorities and those of your religion and church.
"Just to put your mind at ease, there are things that Catholic priests can do to bring about justice. "
Like you this is quite demonstrably not their first concern, as all the appalling evidence shows.
"But revealing confessions is definitely not one of them."
Then it should be, and they should be jailed if they are found to have kept a crime secret. This tells us everything we need to know about religions, and the next time someone asks me why atheists care at all what people believe, then I'll link this thread, where an unabashed theist tells me their beliefs are more important than preventing the rape of children. You ought to hang your head in shame.
@JoC: Forcinng priests to break the seal of confession is one of those ways which are off the table, together with torture.
Let's weigh up the different positions. Put the need to protect small children against ordained ordure on one side of a scale, and the need to protect the seal of confession on the other. One side of the scale crashes down, catapulting the confession crap off the scale and into the cesspit where it belongs.
Torture? Are you serious? What do you think these priests, bishops, cardinals, and popes are doing to little kids? They're torturing them physically and mentally and leaving them in pain for all of their lives, which are all too often cut short by suicide.
Dear Old Man Shouts:
The report didn't contain any prospective law text. I haven't found any local legal contacts.
The only law I could find mentioned for Australia is the pedophile tourism one that requires pedophiles to register and picks them up if they try to leave the country. That isn't what I was looking for.
Are you aware of any REPORTING laws that got passed in Australia recently?
I couldn't get those to pop.