You're at a party and a man introduces himself to you who calls himself God.
You've never heard that word before.
Would you ignore him? Would you say he doesn't exist?
If you got along with the fella wouldn't you tell your friends you have a new friend called God?
If for some reason you decided you hated God you may avoid him and tell everybody God is a liar and a bigot.
You might taint his name. Maybe you're jealous of him, who knows. You hate something about him.
When people asked you if you knew God you might tell them,
'No, God doesn't exist to me.'
'I used to know God, but not anymore!'
'God is out of my life forever.'
'Good riddance to God - he never existed in the first place anyway. He was just an illusion.'
And then somebody says to you, 'But you and I both know God exists. I saw you speaking to him the other day. We both were'.
And you reply,
'That was then, this is now.'
'God doesn't exist, leave me alone'.
'Don't you dare mention God to me ever again or I'll destroy you too - and I'll say you don't exist either'.
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There is no reason why "God" may once have existed, and no longer does. If this were the case, I would not say that "God" never existed. My great-great-great-gandfather once existed, and no longer does. I have no reason to think that my great-great-great-grandfather still exists, since he's long dead.
The same may apply to "God", this guy that we're supposed to have met at a party. In your scenario, HIMELO, there is no reason why the guy met at the party has not since died.
Although he may not YET have died, once he does, he no longer exists. Of course I'll remember him, (until I myself die), just as I remember my mother, who is also now dead.
So what's the point of this scenario you propose, HIMELO?
Mu.
@HIMELO
What do you mean by "exist"?
@ "'No, God doesn't exist to me."
Obviously you would be lying, You met God at a party and you know him well enough to not like him. Why lie??
@ "'But you and I both know God exists. I saw you speaking to him the other day/" Nothing wrong with this assertion. I was in fact talking to God and I have no reason to think he was nothing more than another person I met at a party and did not like. (So why would I claim I did not know him. That makes no sense. As I said before, I know him enough to not like him.)
@ "'That was then, this is now." I think you are confusing supernatural beliefs with real people. This is called an equivocation fallacy. In one case, God is a guy that I met at a party. In the other case, God is a mythical character who has different characteristics depending on which of the 30.000 Christian faiths you opt to believe in. Further more, this God thing is only one of a pantheon of historical Gods all of which share the common characteristic of not existing while using the exact same arguments for their existence as does your god.
HERE IS A LITTLE STORY FOR YOU (I DO NOT RECALL THE SOURCE BUT IT WAS A FAMOUS COMEDIAN. SOMEONE ELSE WILL CHIME IN - NEVER MIND, I WILL FIND THE LINK AND POST IT BELOW.)
So the Pope is talking to some famous atheist. As the conversation goes on the Pope is getting angry. Finally the Pope says, "YOU, You are just like a blind man in a dark room searching for a black cat that isn't there."
The atheist smiles back and says, "Well then, we have a lot in common. You sir are also like a blind man in a dark room searching for a black cat that isn't there. The difference between us is that you have found it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS3BZs5fx3Q
What are you all taking at this party?? Senior's LSD?
You saying "God doesn't exist" is proof "God exists" or "God once existed".
If God didn't exist you wouldn't be saying God doesn't exist.
God existed at some point in time and then for some odd reason somebody appeared and destroyed God by saying God doesn't exist.
God had to have existed, fictionally or factually, so somebody could say God no longer exists. God never existed and God doesn't exist.
If a man called God didn't create a fictional character called God you wouldn't say God doesn't exist.
If a man called God creates a fictional character called God and you hate God you will say God doesn't exist.
The reason I now believe God exists is because of Atheism.
Atheists prove God exists or once existed.
God is a genius.
God gave the opportunity for people to say God doesn't exist - the GOD, NOGOD, which atheists serve, being the defacto alternative choice to GOD.
The Atheist creation NOGOD hates the creation GOD.
NOGOD wants to destroy GOD.
God created God, Atheism, and the Atheist GOD, NOGOD.
All roads lead to God who created God so people could say 'God exists'' or 'God doesn't exist'.
There is a book for sale on this web site which says 'Why there is no GOD' - if God doesn't exist and never existed the title would be 'Why there is no' and it would be an empty book and nobody would buy it.
God makes you rich - you love God really. You just don't want to give thanks to God, that's all.
You're only here because God exists allowing you to say God doesn't exist.
Praise be to God!
1. "You saying "God doesn't exist" is proof "God exists" or "God once existed"."
Yea right! Saying blue universe creating bunny rabbits never existed is the same thing as saying Blue universe creating bunny rabbits actually exist. By your ignorant attempt at reasoning anything in the world ever imagined actually exists. "THAT'S MORONIC."
2. If Blue Universe Creating Bunny Rabbits did not exist, you would not be saying they do not exist. If the flying Spaghetti monster did not exist you would not be saying it did not exist. If all the ancient gods did not exist you would not be saying they did not exist. More 'MORONIC' attempts at reasoning.
3. We have no problem at all with God existing fictionally. We agree with you.
4. " If a man called God didn't create a fictional character called God you wouldn't say God doesn't exist."
You have no idea at all what the man's name was who created the fictional character called God. (Why are you stuck on this "God didn't exist" idea. Fact of the matter is that even if he does exist there is no reason at all to believe in him, her, it. We have no good evidence for this supposed being what so ever. Do you understand the "NULL HYPOTHESIS." Things are not believed until such time as they are evidenced to be believed. Science 101. That which can be asserted without belief can be rejected without belief. (Hitchen's Razor.)
5. God gave the opportunity for people to say God doesn't exist - the GOD, NOGOD, which atheists serve, being the defacto alternative choice to GOD. (This is what happens to a mind when it is home schooled.)
6. The Atheist creation NOGOD hates the creation GOD. (MORE COMPLETE IGNORANCE)
Atheists do not have a "No God." What they have is no evidence for your God claims. If you think you have evidence supporting your version of God. Let's have it. Until then there is no reason to believe in your god. It's the same as all the other gods. Nothing!
7. "You're only here because God exists allowing you to say God doesn't exist."
Your only here to spout nonsense and troll the site. You have no idea at all how to create a formal argument. You don't have a clue what constitutes evidence. You have no idea at all how to sound intelligent. I am surprised you can figure out the math question to log into the site. I guess those cell phone calculators come in handy;
If you were big and strong enough to threaten the world and you could force everybody to state, 'Billy Hendersons Flying Spaghetti Flying Monster doesn't exist and has never existed' and you forced everybody to recite that do you think Billy Henderson would be very happy about that?
And then you told everybody YOU created the Flying Spaghetti Flying Monster. You forced everybody to confess it was you not Billy Henderson.
What if you could do it without people knowing? You switched out Billy Henderson as the creator of the Spaghetti Flying Monster and replaced him with yourself and nobody knew so you got all the credit? You shut up Billy Henderson by saying he doesn't exist.
You censored him - you removed his power to defend himself.
Wouldn't he say, if he could, it does exist because he created it? It's his creation? It's his life? Wouldn't you be taking something away from him and everybody else without their permission?
Wouldn't you be a false creator getting something for nothing?
Go up to George Lucas and tell him Darth Vader 'doesn't exist' then create a new character based on Darth Vader and get rich.
Tell everybody Darth Vader doesn't exist but your character does (even though your creation requires his creation to exist).
At the VERY LEAST God exists just as fictionally as does Darth Vader.
If you destroy Darth Vader you're going to get sued. If you destroy God you're not going to get sued.
So for you God is an EASY target which doesn't defend itself.
It tells me you cherry pick soft targets to attack - targets which don't fight back - which is terrorism.
You attack Christians because God said, '"Turn the other cheek'.
You're very, very afraid of Allah who said, "Destroy those who mock me'.
So you attack a cripple in a wheelchair to have some fun instead of attacking a policeman.
You gang up and sucker punch woman and children who can't stick up for themselves.
And because God isn't around to defend his works you attack him, destroy him, destroy his characters, destroy his storylines with impunity.
It tells me you're cowards.
You have no heart or soul.
You're half creations.
You're missing something.
Your missing the vital ingredient, love, which was created by God for God, and to share with friends of God.
But you hate God, so you worship destruction and hate instead.
And the sad bit is you don't even realise it.
You're half creations who don't realise you're half creations.
You are in a negative state of existance which forces everybody else around you to exist in a negative state.
You say something positive doesn't exist.
You go around telling eveyrbody, "WINNING DOESN'T EXIST SO YOU'RE ONLY CHOICE IS TO BE A LOSER LIKE ME!" but in your mind you're saying,"LOSING DOESN'T EXIST SO YOU'RE ONLY CHOICE IS TO BE A WINNER LIKE ME!"
And I'm saying..
BOTH WINNING AND LOSING EXISTS AND IT'S UP TO YOU DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT TO BE A WINNER OR LOSER - YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE FOR OTHERS!
By destroying God you're destroying choice for others to decide for themselves.
If God was gone there would only be ONE CHOICE, YOUR CHOICE, NOGOD.
If I only have one choice, your choice, that's slavery!
I'm not debating, I'm stating facts. I'm not here to debate.
I'm telling the the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
You being an atheists proves choice exists and GOD REPRESENTS CHOICE which you say doesn't exist and you don't want it not to exist so everybody has to choose yoru choice whether like it or not. So you can be God and rule over others.
And it's beause you're half creations who have all the negative traits - instead of the positive traits - a heart is yet to be put inside you.
You don't believe in yourselves - you lack belief.
You're Atheists Gods.
The reason you can't see it from my point of view is because you've never created something original and had somebody destroy it in front of you and laugh at you.
You're the ones doing the destroying and the laughing.
If you created something original and it got destroyed by somebody else without your permission you would understand.
Billy Henderson is one step closer to God than you are which is ironic.
God is creative, he is a creator, he creates original things, you destroy original things.
Billy Henderson is a God who hates himself.
All praise be to God and Atheism which taught me God exists!
You censore and ban and call people trolls when you hear the truth.
You're bigoted against the truth. You're truthphobic.
You just need to learn to create that's all, instead of destroying.
It's better for eveyrbody as it creates more choice.
I think I broke my brain reading this. I feel like I need to eat a dictionary or something to try and regain some of my lost intelligence. I mean the actual f**k?!
Have a cookie and go to your room. Play time is over for the evening. Mommy needs the computer now.
You're flattering yourself if you think something must exist in reality in order to be destroyed as an idea.
If I come up with an original idea and you told everybody else it doesn't exist then you're calling me a liar and you're also destroying tha original thing I created for everybody else. You're deciding for everybody on their behalf what exists and what doesn't exist.
That means you're a vandal and selfish.
And after you telling me my creation doesn't exist, and calling me mental, and telling everybody I am a liar you steal my original creation from me to profit from it...?
What would that make you?
A parasite?
HIMELO, you wrote, “I'm not here to debate.”
As this is a debate forum, say “ok, bye now”
I want whatever the OP is smoking/drinking/eating/injecting/etc...
OP would probably agree that Sauron doesn't exist. But in order to say Sauron doesn't exist, Sauron must exist or have existed.
Therefore Sauron exists!
Who was he talking to?
Oh my.
The delusion is strong with this one, Padawan.
No please... as an element of pop-culture, Star wars is so above him... I think the title is stupid. And he is spouting the same prejudiced non-sense about non-religious folks and atheists that we're used to hear.
HIMELO, I don't want to sound condescending, but you're obviously delusional.
What just happened?
Someone necro'd a year old thread to take a poke at the poster.
Basically, nothing of value.
"You're at a party and a man introduces himself to you who calls himself God.
You've never heard that word before.
Would you ignore him? Would you say he doesn't exist?"
Did anyone read past that? COULD anyone read past that? I laughed so hard it set off my gag reflex. My wife frowned, and then moved my wine glass away from me. Seriously, I laughed hard...a little bit of piss came out and everything..
My brain threatened to stab me if I read any further, at pretty much that same point, Sheldon.
I don't believe in resurrections, but this one was worth it to be honest, I have a slight headache and some earache, and my tinnitus was set off a little bit from laughing. I haven't laughed that hard since my grandmother threw a turkey neck in the dog's bowl, and the cat decided to fight the dog for it in a tug of war, good times.
Yeah...this whole thing was shockingly bad
This is all I could think of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
Let's do...the time warp...againnnnn....
So, non-existence existed before it was non-existence and then became non-existent?
The only reasonable explanation I can find for the existence of the opening post in this thread, is weapons-grade hallucinogens consumed by the author thereof on an industrial scale ...
LOL.
Someone resurrected this. Took me a minute to figure out why I never saw this post in the first place. I was gone to Thailand to rescue my kidnapped nephew in October 2018. Must have gotten buried into the old threads because I never went past the first page when I returned a month later.
What a useless, inane, asinine, and nonsensical post. And I see it was a drive-by posting.
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