~hey guys..its been awhile since i posted something.got little tangled up with my work..so here it is..
i don't believe that adam and eve existed, but if they did. whats going to happen if they just obeyed god? what do you think would happen to mankind?
i love how darkmatter2525 embellished it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAITI0ULFxg
share your creative thoughts.
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@Qu@si what if they obeyed?
God would have fired the snake and sent in more and more talking animals to entrap them until they ate the damned apple.
just imagine, you're in front of a computer, and there are words on your computer that says "do not press enter"
but the "Do not press" words is in Chinese letters and the word that is not in chinese is the word "Enter"
so you just press the word "enter" with out knowing that was wrong.
just like adam and eve. they don't have any clue.
Garden of Eden. Tree. Apple. That bit, remember?''
``Yes of course I do.''
``Your God person puts an apple tree in the middle of a garden and says do what you like guys, oh, but don't eat the apple. Surprise surprise, they eat it and he leaps out from behind a bush shouting `Gotcha'. It wouldn't have made any difference if they hadn't eaten it.''
``Why not?''
``Because if you're dealing with somebody who has the sort of mentality which likes leaving hats on the pavement with bricks under them you know perfectly well they won't give up. They'll get you in the end."
Douglas Adams - The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe
and why did god plant it near to his human creation? since its forbidden?
ahhh.. cause? you know what i'm thinking...
Adam and Eve. Just another example of the failure of a god that is supposed to be all knowing
Entrapment. This so-called all-powerful god created everything, knew what was going to happen. If the bible is to be believed, that is one sick, psychotic god.
Seconded.
Yeah, the whole god is all knowing thing. If god was all knowing he knew that adam and eve would eat the forbidden apple. Yet he still puts the tree and a talking snake in there, already knowing the outcome.
Goes back to the whole if god is all knowing how can there possibly be free will? A core logic flaw (one of many) when it comes to most major religions.
Which is it religious wackos? All knowing or an evil god.. cant have both.
LogicForTW,
Isn’t the Adam & Eve story really about the power that temptation has over our lives? Adam & Eve had everything that should have brought them happiness and contentment. They had a life of ease with no worries or hardships. But like everyone, they gave into temptation to enjoy a new experience. We do it all the time because it’s exciting and thrilling. The temptation might be a sexual affair, lying, stealing, driving while drunk, speeding, or a risky sport activity.
The Adam & Eve story is repeated numerous times throughout the Bible in a multitude of various stories and proverbs. Psalm 23 is about how a person should resist temptation so that he won’t put what he has at risk for the thrill of getting a glittering bauble. The Yeshua character restates it in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 6:9-13. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew6:9-13&version=TLB;E...
The Adam & Eve story of giving in to temptation is repeated in Ezekiel chapter 28, which talks about the king of Tyre giving in to temptation despite having everything. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ezekiel28&version=TLB;ERV;N...
Just about all of the biblical stories contain some elements of the power of temptation in our lives.
Temptation is an interesting... emotion? To me. Since I am an atheist and I wanted to answer for myself my own meaning of life, which I personally arrived at: enjoying life.
Giving to temptation can be very enjoyable, but measured against possible guilt afterwards, is it net positive? Does it help me enjoy life? Depends how guilty I feel afterwards. Now I actually consider that, before major decisions involving temptation, and I feel I make better choices from it. No god needed.
LogicForTW,
The biblical stories illustrate the power of temptation and the results of giving in to it.
All of them?
Old man shouts ...,
As I've said before, ALL of the biblical stories are based on one or more of the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 34:12-14. The miracles are based on Exodus 34:10. The stories also illustrate the results of giving in to temptations. Sometimes the temptation isn't obvious but you can eventually find it if you look closely. The temptation might even be something like the desire to find favor with Yahweh. People did that when they sacrificed their children. He eventually told the dummies that they should have been smarter than to do something like that. What's one of the points of the Adam & Eve story? They ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil so they gained the god-like ability to know the difference. Don't do evil just because someone, even Yahweh, tells you to do it.
Ok, but that sounds like " reading out of context" that I get from believers all the time. What you are saying seems to be the inverse.. "reading into a context"
So I would really like to see any rationale you have on that rather that your unadorned opinion.
Old man shouts ...,
Can you some some specific stories where you think my opinion doesn't apply?
Book of James, KJB version, first page:
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
...not seeing anything there about temptation. Or does the first page not yet count at story time?
LogicForTW,
The creation story illustrates how God became a victim of his own vanity. He wanted to create something perfect, even calling it good. But as time progresses he realizes that his supposedly good creation was seriously flawed. The Book of Ecclesiastes summarizes it in human terms. Things went to hell when he gave in to the temptation to create.
@ Diotrephes
VERY long bow there......
The 2000 foreskins?
Goliaths death?
Samsons death?
Job's trials?
Lots daughters?
Judas's betrayal?
Peter's denial?
I await your interpretations....
Old man shouts ...,
1. The story about the foreskins illustrates what happened when David gave in to the temptation to move up the social ladder by marrying the boss's daughter. He became a murdering psycho and sexual pervert when he killed the Philistines and sexually mutilated their bodies. BTW, it depends on the Bible version if it was 100 or 200 men that he killed. https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/1%20Samuel%2018:27
2. Goliath’s death illustrates what happens when you give in to the temptation to fight an honorable fight to the death. Goliath relied upon his size and power against the smaller boy. He didn’t take into consideration that the kid was using a long range weapon, a sling with a rock. He thought his size, strength, and big sword would easily carry the day as it had so many times in the past.
3. Samson’s death is a First Commandment story that shows the ill effects of the Israelites mixing with the locals. It also show what bad things can happen when a guy gives into the temptation of being with a smooth talking woman. There are numerous verses in the Bible warning against that behavior.
4. Job’s trials show the positive results of not giving in to the temptation to curse god when bad things happen to you.
5. Lot’s daughters show what happens when you give in to the temptation to have worthless children. Sirach 16:1 (CEB) = “Don’t wish for a multitude of worthless children, and don’t be glad about sons and daughters if they are ungodly.”
6. Judas’ betrayal shows what happened when he gave in to the temptation to put Yeshua into a position where he would physically fight and defeat his enemies. After all, in Luke 9:54 James and John supposedly had the power to call fire down from heaven to consume his enemies.
Luke 9:54 (CEV) = “When the disciples James and John saw what was happening, they asked, “Lord, do you want us to call down fire from heaven to destroy these people?”
7. Peter’s denial was based on the temptation to save his own hide. If he had confessed to being a groupie he could have been killed.
Brilliant!
And it only proves anyone can interpret any part of an 'holy' book exactly the way they see fit to prove their preconceived beliefs.
*sigh* AB/JoC and any other theist would be frothing at your interpretations, Breezy would spend hours on each word of your argument. ...
Mate it proves absolutely nothing except you have read this esoteric meaning into it. That is all. No third party proofs? then it is all meaningless dribble.
I think they assume it, rather than illustrate it. It's also oddly incongruous of an omniscient deity to create animals that experience strong instincts to behave a certain a way, then decide arbitrarily they should resist some of those instincts, and punish them forever after they die if they get it wrong, whilst offering no objective evidence that it exists at all, and demanding they believe it exists also on pain of eternal posthumous torture? I think sadistic and psychotic are perfect descriptions of such a being, though luckily there is no evidence it exists at all.
@Diotrephes: Isn’t the Adam & Eve story really about the power that temptation has over our lives?
I think the Adam and Eve story is about curiosity more than temptation. The snake told Eve that the fruit would give her wisdom. In Genesis, god created creatures with curiosity, and then punished them for it. If he'd wanted creatures with no curiosity, he should have created koalas. They're only interested in Eucalyptus trees.
It's just a nasty little allegory made up by priests to stop people using their brains and asking too many questions about their Jehovah bullshit.
Algebe,
There are far more biblical stories about temptation than there is about curiosity. Cite any biblical story and I should be able to show you that it's related to the temptation theme. You won't be able to link it to the curiosity theme as easily.
The god of Adam and Eve was able to prevent harm, but chose not to do so. Adam and Eve had no choice.
Sapporo,
When you speed down the road and get into a crash whose fault is it? You gave in to the temptation to drive fast because that's what you wanted to do. Consequently you willfully ignored any potential harm your behavior might cause.
A fallacious analogy, if you didn't know what the consequences were you'd not be entirely culpable. Also if a deity existed that did know exactly what the consequences were, and had the power to prevent the action, and or the consequences, but chose not to. Then chose to punish the being that chose the action in ignorance of the consequences, then that deity would not only be entirely culpable for all consequences, but would be demonstrably evil by any human standard.
Edit: for appalling grammar.
If the crash was a consequence of driving above the speed limit, you are culpable. In addition, if the god of Adam and Eve exists, it is also culpable, as it was able to prevent harm, but chose not to do so.
@ Diotrephes
"When you speed down the road and get into a crash whose fault is it?"
What if you drive at a sedate pace down the road and encounter another driver *also conducting themselves soberly at the same pace and you crash into each other, whose fault is it? Where's the temptation?
*Edited for a spelling error and a later punctuation error.
Old man shouts ...,
The more I discuss the topic the more sophisticated my opinion becomes. Enjoy your opinion if it serves your needs.