Dinosaurs lived with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden.
Kent Hovind also believes that Dinosaurs were big lizards that lived for 900 years, like Methuselah, Noah, et al.
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If only creationism truly did only last that long..
@Garrett
yair.
There is a creationist museum in Kentucky .One if its leading lights is Ken Ham, who I'm embarrassed to say, is an Aussie. Hope he stays in Kentucky .
Anyway, it seems this museum has a diorama featuring a child riding a dinosaur.
Makes perfect sense I guess. Anyone familiar with the new testament will remember the parable of Jesus and the T Rex . Of how it became Jesus' pet after Jesus removed a small tree stuck in its leg.
The lesson? Be kind to large vicious animals and you will have a pet who will eat your enemies.
The hamburglar, he is some kind of special. The personification of deluded.
@doG
"The hamburglar, he is some kind of special. The personification of deluded."
Yair, he also happens to have the misfortune of being afflicted with a face like a peeled penis.
@cranky47 Hamburglar looks like a peeled penis? Are you seeing things your imagination fancies? Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course :-)
"Are you seeing things your imagination fancies? Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course :-"
No.It's just that every now and then I see some bloke whose face looks like a peeled penis.
I don't think I'm allowed to say what some womens' faces look like to me. Not meant as an insult, but I guess could be seen as sexist.
@cranky...our faces are either circumcised or uncircumcised (opposite) of the man’s face (similar but a slightly more attractive [eye of
the beholder] type of way)
"Scientific Creationism" is an oxymoron.
I get particularly angry when Creationists push against teaching evolution in schools, as the world has a lot of problems right now, and it's my feeling that we can't afford to waste any talent (in the sciences) if we want long-term survival for our species.
Isaac Asimov, Stephen J. Gould, Carl Sagan, and Kendrick Frazier wrote on this subject frequently, so I really don't have much to add except to point out that the Bible (supposedly holding the key for salvation for all of humanity) may end up being responsible--in part--for our ultimate demise.
@Garrett Smith:
Dud, you don't know what your talking about. Dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible.
In the Bible, in Job 40:15–24, God describes to Job (who lived after the Flood) a great beast with which Job was familiar. This great animal, called “behemoth,” is described as “the chief of the ways of God,” Impressively, he moved his tail like a cedar tree!
And “dragon” is used a number of times in the Old Testament. What else are the ancients going to call dinosaurs? The word "DINOSAUR" is a 19th Century Creation. These animals went my many names prior to your narrow minded interpretation of data. We would not expect to find the word dinosaur in Bibles like the Authorized Version (1611), as it was translated well before the word dinosaur was ever used.
However, the more we research the historical literature, the more we realize there is overwhelming evidence that dragons were real beasts, much like our modern reconstructions of dinosaurs, and that their existence has been recorded by many different people, even just hundreds of years ago.
We can also be reminded that God, who made all things, including the dinosaurs, is also a judge of His creation.
Dinosaurs can are here to remind us that God judged the rebellion in Noah’s day by destroying the wicked world with water. The Bible teaches us that He will again judge the world, but by fire: “The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the Earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up” (2 Peter 3:10).
If God did not create the world, who did? You don't know.... Ha ha ha ha ha ha .... "Professing yourself to be wise you look like a fool"
@Garrett Smith: Fallacious shit. It was 6 days of creationism. The only reason you think it is nonsense is because you only spent 8 seconds looking at it. Your ignorance knows no bounds. Can you prove that dinosaurs did not live 900 years? God your assertions are stupid. If Noah lived to be 950 years old, why in the fuck can't a dinosaur live to be 900?
Can you say anything at all that is not just a stupid assertion? Enoch lived to be about 365, Methuselah lived after the birth of Lamech seven hundred eighty-two years.
It's only after the flood that people began having shorter lives. You know nothing.
@Cognostic
I saw a real dragon.
It was while I was in Malaysia. A Komodo dragon, its body was about 2 metres long. Its tail looked about the same. I might be overstating, what with being terrified at the time and all. It saw us, took fright and RAN up a coconut tree. My Malay friend assured me that if there were no trees the creature would run up the nearest human being . Apparently an exceedingly unpleasant experience for both. .
"The Komodo dragon[4] (Varanus komodoensis), also known as the Komodo monitor, is a species of lizard found in the Indonesian islands of Komodo, Rinca, Flores, and Gili Motang.[5] A member of the monitor lizard family Varanidae, it is the largest extant species of lizard, growing to a maximum length of 3 metres (10 ft) in rare cases and weighing up to approximately 70 kilograms (150 lb).[5]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komodo_dragon
I've always wondered about the factual basis for dragons. I think there is another translation of dragons in the bible: worm. Apparently, the word dragon does not appear in English until the middle but the concept is truly ancient and found in many disparate cultures. In Chinese and Japanese mythology, dragons are benign and good luck.
Is it likely that the word used in the bible and elsewhere is allegorica?l
@Cranky47: I've always wondered about the factual basis for dragons.
One theory I've heard concerning dragon legends in Britain is that they are a folk memory of the dragon prows of Viking longships sailing down rivers to attack settlements.
There's also a dragon (draca or wyrm in Old English) in the Beowulf story. It hoards gold and breathes fire. Beowulf goes out with a band of followers to fight the beast. His comrades flee, leaving him to fight alone. He manages to kill the dragon but is mortally wounded himself and dies. It's supposed to be an echo of the Jesus story.
@cranky47: You got me beat. The only one I ever saw up close was in a pet shop in Southern California. Yep, serious. It was only about four feet long. Not as scary as I imagine a full sized one could be but it could swallow a chicken whole..
On the other hand. I do have a pick of myself, someplace around here, petting an 11 foot crocodile at a crocodile shoe in Thailand. I still don't count that the same as running into a Komodo dragon because the trainers were with me and showed me where to walk and how to approach the beast. They were not in the picture so I look like one brave ape creature. But they were there, ready to throw themselves into the jaws of the beast to protect my white foreign ass. At least that is what I kept telling myself. "White guy gets eaten by a crocodile in Thailand" would have gone viral on YouTube.
@cognostic
"White guy gets eaten by a crocodile in Thailand" would have gone viral on YouTube."
Don't blame you.
Some years ago we had a national embarrassment called "Steve Irwin". He did stupid things around crocodiles at his Zoo. He also wore shorts and said "Crikey!" a lot.
Steve won a Darwin award when he got too close to a stingray and was pierced through the chest by its tail. His son Robert is now 18 and very much like his dad. His older daughter Bindi, won "Dancing With The Stars"
CLIP ONE: Steve being stupid with a crocodile and his baby son.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKWYfENFLSA
CLIP TWO: .Bindi Wins: "Dancing With The Stars" US.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcu9qG99x3Y
"Bindi"? Who the fuck calls their kid "Bindi"? It's terminally cute, like say "Buffy" or "Muffy". It's Ok if she has a brain like an empty martini glass, but Bindi Irwin seems quite bright. Her younger brother Robert, not so much.
CLIP THREE
Robert Irwin being cruel to wild animals on American TV. I think the kid is cringeworthy, like his dad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8m-KThvtxA
@Cranky: I used to watch Crocodile Hunter. I have even been to his wild life zoo in Australia. I knew he was a bit of a nut job but I never knew how much so. Utter and complete dipshittedness. He certainly deserves the Darwin Award. It was worse than MJ slinging his baby over a fourth floor hotel balcony. One little slip of mishap and those babies are dead. It may have been lucky for all that Steve killed himself before he actually killed someone else. I think my thread on Chau demonstrates how much empathy I have for utter and complete stupidity. Thanks for the info. I had no idea how deep the crazy ran.
" Thanks for the info. I had no idea how deep the crazy ran."
Welcome.
As the saying. goes 'the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree". I think the mother is also a bit underwhelming. Comes across as a bit mercenary. Not surprising Robert especially seems as loony as his dad. I have the impression that Bindi is trying to go her own way. I wish her luck.
You might be interested in the scathing piece by Germaine Greer in The Guardian at the time:
Posted below in full :
"That sort of self-delusion is what it takes to be a real Aussie larrikin'
Germaine Greer
Tue 5 Sep 2006 09.29 AESTFirst published on Tue 5 Sep 2006 09.29 AEST
The world mourns. World-famous wildlife warrior Steve Irwin has died a hero, doing the thing he loved, filming a sequence for a new TV series. He was supposed to have been making a new documentary to have been called Ocean's Deadliest, but, when filming was held up by bad weather, he decided to "go off and shoot a few segments" for his eight-year-old daughter's upcoming TV series, "just stuff on the reef and little animals". His manager John Stainton "just said fine, anything that would keep him moving and keep his adrenaline going". Evidently it's Stainton's job to keep Irwin pumped larger than life, shouting "Crikey!" and punching the air.
Irwin was the real Crocodile Dundee, a great Australian, an ambassador for wildlife, a global phenomenon, a superhuman generator of merchandise, books, interactive video-games and action figures. The only creatures he couldn't dominate were parrots. A parrot once did its best to rip his nose off his face. Parrots are a lot smarter than crocodiles.
What seems to have happened on Batt Reef is that Irwin and a cameraman went off in a little dinghy to see what they could find. What they found were stingrays. You can just imagine Irwin yelling: "Just look at these beauties! Crikey! With those barbs a stingray can kill a horse!" (Yes, Steve, but a stingray doesn't want to kill a horse. It eats crustaceans, for God's sake.) All Australian children know about stingrays. We are now being told that only three people have ever been killed by Australian stingrays. One of them must have been the chap who bought it 60 years ago in Brighton Baths where my school used to go on swimming days. Port Philip Bay was famous for stingrays, which are fine as long as you can see them, but they do what most Dasyatidae do, which is bury themselves in the sand or mud with only their eyes sticking out. What you don't want to do with a stingray is stand on it. The lashing response of the tail is automatic; the barb is coated with a bacterial slime as deadly as rotten oyster toxin.
As a Melbourne boy, Irwin should have had a healthy respect for stingrays, which are actually commoner, and bigger, in southern waters than they are near Port Douglas, where he was killed. The film-makers maintain that the ray that took Irwin out was a "bull ray", or Dasyatis brevicaudata, but this is not usually found as far north as Port Douglas. Marine biologist Dr Meredith Peach has been quoted as saying, "It's really quite unusual for divers to be stung unless they are grappling with the animal and, knowing Steve Irwin, perhaps that may have been the case." Not much sympathy there then.
The only time Irwin ever seemed less than entirely lovable to his fans (as distinct from zoologists) was when he went into the Australia Zoo crocodile enclosure with his month-old baby son in one hand and a dead chicken in the other. For a second you didn't know which one he meant to feed to the crocodile. If the crocodile had been less depressed it might have made the decision for him. As the catatonic beast obediently downed its tiny snack, Irwin walked his baby on the grass, not something that paediatricians recommend for rubbery baby legs even when there isn't a stir-crazy carnivore a few feet away. The adoring world was momentarily appalled. They called it child abuse. The whole spectacle was revolting. The crocodile would rather have been anywhere else and the chicken had had a grim life too, but that's entertainment at Australia Zoo.
Irwin's response to the sudden outburst of criticism was bizarre. He believed that he had the crocodile under control. But he could have fallen over, suggested an interviewer. He admitted that was possible, but only if a meteor had hit the earth and caused an earthquake of 6.6 on the Richter scale. That sort of self-delusion is what it takes to be a "real Aussie larrikin".
What Irwin never seemed to understand was that animals need space. The one lesson any conservationist must labour to drive home is that habitat loss is the principal cause of species loss. There was no habitat, no matter how fragile or finely balanced, that Irwin hesitated to barge into, trumpeting his wonder and amazement to the skies. There was not an animal he was not prepared to manhandle. Every creature he brandished at the camera was in distress. Every snake badgered by Irwin was at a huge disadvantage, with only a single possible reaction to its terrifying situation, which was to strike. Easy enough to avoid, if you know what's coming. Even my cat knew that much. Those of us who live with snakes, as I do with no fewer than 12 front-fanged venomous snake species in my bit of Queensland rainforest, know that they will get out of our way if we leave them a choice. Some snakes are described as aggressive, but, if you're a snake, unprovoked aggression doesn't make sense. Snakes on a plane only want to get off. But Irwin was an entertainer, a 21st-century version of a lion-tamer, with crocodiles instead of lions.
In 2004, Irwin was accused of illegally encroaching on the space of penguins, seals and humpback whales in Antarctica, where he was filming a documentary called Ice Breaker. An investigation by the Australian Environmental Department resulted in no action being taken, which is not surprising seeing that John Howard, the prime minister, made sure that Irwin was one of the guests invited to a "gala barbecue" for George Bush a few months before. Howard is now Irwin's chief mourner, which is only fair, seeing that Irwin announced that Howard is the greatest leader the world has ever seen.
The animal world has finally taken its revenge on Irwin, but probably not before a whole generation of kids in shorts seven sizes too small has learned to shout in the ears of animals with hearing 10 times more acute than theirs, determined to become millionaire animal-loving zoo-owners in their turn."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/sep/05/australia
@Cranky: I guess Irwin got what was coming to him, as cold as that sounds, I have to classify him with the likes of John Chau, and that idiot that got attacked by a Grizzly Bear..... Stephan Miller. People can just be stupid sometimes. Darwin Awards for the LOT!
@Cranky:
I loved the part about parrots. I use to raise them in America. I had a Mulukin cockatoo, an African Gray, a Yellow Naped Amazon, A Mexican Red Head, and a Double Yellow Head. Every one of them was loving, entertaining as hell and just a joy to be around. So why did I like your story? Each and every one of them hated my brother.
If my brother entered the room, the Mexican Double Yellow Head would attack. He would literally fly or scramble across the room to get at my brother. The other birds wanted nothing to do with him. He could hold them at times but as soon as they got a chance they ran to me or back to their cages. They were fine with everyone else. They actually had a dislike, a strong dislike, of my brother.
HERE IS THE INTERESTING PART: My brother and I never got along. Not from the time we were kids. I have not seen him or talked to him in 40 years and have no desire to do so. I left home when I was 16 and never looked back. I hope they are all doing well and have sorted out their bullshit, but I want no part of the drugs, alcohol, prison stays, crimes, or anything else. So.... did the birds pick up the "vibration" from me, or did they make the decision on their own?
My brother has never been a threat to me. He is a muscle bound oaf. He is taller, stronger, and in much better shape, but while he was hitting the gym and building all that bulk, I was actually fighting in rings for real. Every single time he has tried me, he has lost. And he has tried more than a few times. He likes me about as much as I like him. Oil and Water.
Anyway.... Just very interesting bird behavior. And parrots are amazingly intelligent animals. Oh... I had a Macaw that killed itself. LOL It's a long story. I often tease that it is the only bird that never liked me.
@Cog...I’ve noticed that animal behaviour too. I think they have instincts that pick up the subtlest smells, hormones, physical signs, etc that express our personality. Also, they could have picked up signals from you and your brother and took your side (my guy doesn’t trust him, why should I?)
@White: Yea.... animals like me..... It could be the earthy smell.
@White: Hey! Perhaps that's why Garrett is so attracted to me.