Theory of a Godless Universe

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Theory of a Godless Universe

Alright. So this is officially my first post I’ve ever written online, or at all even, and it is simply intended to present an interesting idea I had.

There have been many times where I’ve wanted to write a post, on this, or that, or discuss this thing over here. I’ve never actually followed through on any of these ambitions though, and I won’t lie; it’s a little nerve wracking to finally do so. This being said, however, while leaf blowing the lawn of a family friend, an idea popped into my head. While this does happen quite often, I usually either forget, or begin to see holes in such an argument and discard it. This idea contrary to the fate of its predecessors has managed to break both barriers successfully. What is this idea? Well, it’s a new approach to how science can disprove the existence of a (perfect) God.

Of course, this theory can not undeniably prove against the presence of all powerful beings, due to the fact that it is based on (you guessed) other theories. However, there’s also a theory of gravity, so I decided why the heck not. I’m sure that many of you have noticed that I placed the word perfect in parentheses as well. This is because this theory works best with a God that is perfect, although I haven’t thought through how it might work with an imperfect deity (and if a deity is imperfect, is it even a deity anymore or simply a powerful life form?). Why does it depend on the inclusion of a relatively simple description of a God? Well, plainly said, Perfection is the weakness.

This may seem just somewhat contradictory, as perfection is the definition of unflawed, and without weakness (at least in this application). And I of course expect some people to draw the conclusion that I have written an article based on the thesis of Perfection is impossible, and that is why God is impossible, and how many others have made that connection before me. If this be the case for you, then I am glad to disappoint you, because I would not take my time to write an entire article on such a weak and defeatable argument by the theists.

Now in order to explain my theory, it is necessary to explain the scientific basis for this claim. First, is to discuss the state of our universe.

The universe is inherently unstable on a cosmological timescale. Each natural process is a step towards a higher total enthalpy, and a step closer to total equilibrium. As the universe approaches equilibrium, everything in it decays further and further. Heavy elements radiate energy and decompose into smaller atoms, which in turn, decompose into smaller yet atoms, until they have decomposed into hydrogen. Hydrogen (as well as other preemptively decaying elements) then decompose into protons, electrons, and neutrons. These then decompose into their composing particles, and the cycles continue until they have decomposed into nothingness. This is the ultimate heat death of the universe. This heat death of the universe is total equilibrium due to the nature of natural processes. This then equates to ‘perfection’ as it is no longer ‘flawed’, or unstable. Because of this, the current state of our universe is in instability, and thus imperfection. This applies to everything, including any all powerful being, making any being in existence to be inherently flawed (synonymous with instability in this application) simply by its existence. In effect, I believe a satisfying statement for the first postulate of a godless universe to be: “Perfection can only truly be achieved by complete nothingness, and as such, existence is imperfect.”

My second supporting explanation is rooted in the total energy of the universe. It is stated in many religious texts that the Deity being worshiped has always been, and has no beginning or end. In contrary to this, scientific studies have found that the total net energy of the universe is zero. This exciting discovery has proven to be one of the observations needed to prove theories of how the universe could in fact come from nothingness. In addition to this, I believe that it can disprove the existence of an everlasting super being as well. The presence of such would result in a net positive or net negative energy, which is not what has been observed. In result of this, I find that a suitable second postulate to be: “Nothing is everlasting; everything has both a beginning and end.”

The third and final statement primarily addresses a ‘catch’ if you will to the second. In the second statement, theories on the creation require a small amount of energy to initiate the process of existence of a zero net energy universe. Many theists would assuredly try to use this as a flaw to disprove the theory. However, quantum theory and Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle detail an additional theory to the creation of this energy. It is theorized that small particles of matter and antimatter spontaneously appear, collide, and eliminate throughout the vacuum of space, or ‘nothingness’. This not only provides an excellent explanation for dark energy pressure, but it also theorizes that occasionally, particle pairs last long enough to create the initial spontaneous burst of energy sufficient enough to spark the creation of the universe (after this, they annihilate each other, in conformation to the conservation of energy). In conclusion, the final postulate will be: “A net zero energy universe can be created without the existence of a deity.”

To conclusion, I present the final theory of a godless universe:

The theory of a godless universe consists of three basic postulates:
The First Postulate states that “Perfection can only truly be achieved by complete nothingness, and as such, existence is imperfect.”
In accordance to the first postulate, a perfection is attainable in the state of nothingness, and therefore a perfect deity cannot exist in our universe.
The Second Postulate states that “Nothing is everlasting; everything has both a beginning and end.”
In accordance to the second postulate, a supernatural being cannot exist before or after the existence of our universe, therefore a deity cannot exist outside of our universe.
The Third Postulate states that “A net zero energy universe can be created without the existence of a deity.”
In accordance to the third theory, the universe is not dependent on a deity for creation, therefore explaining existence in natural phenomena.

These three postulates together determine that a perfect deity cannot be created from existence, nor exist outside of existence, eliminating the possibility of such a deity. Additionally, this theory presents a formation of the universe not dependent on any such deity to exist.

This concludes my first post ever written, and I hope it is enjoyed by readers and inspires atheistic philosophy. I understand that this theory has weak points as well, and I would appreciate any constructive criticism you may have!

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MCDennis's picture
Too long, and boring.

Too long, and boring.

chimp3's picture
Life is too short! Submit

Life is too short! Submit this to a scientific journal for peer review.

California Girl's picture
I read the whole thing, and I

I read the whole thing, and I enjoyed it. :-)

Jacob Bartell's picture
Thanks!

Thanks!

MCDennis's picture
You are welcom

You are welcome

xenoview's picture
TLDR

TLDR
I read your theory of a godless universe part. What if, and I mean a big IF. What if a god-like being does exist and it is from another dimension, it used advanced technology to cause the big bang, and then came back and started life on several planets in the universe.

Jacob Bartell's picture
xenoview, True. Like I said,

xenoview, True. Like I said, it has flaws. Everything does, but you do make a good point (Your idea also sounds Furturama esque as well which is awesome). However, as most theories, it is based on observations, and as such is limited to it. My counter argument to this would be based on if the being required technology to create the universe (hence not omnipotent), then is it truly a God, or just a highly advanced life form? It may well appear to possess powers unknown to us right now, (just as much a car would appear to a neanderthal), it is only advanced technology, and the description of a God is only a place holder for the unknown. Under a similar situation, if a 'God' were to cross dimensions, s/he would then be limited by the laws of physics in these dimensions, rendering any 'magic' powers null and void, removing godly status, so an extra dimensional being would be reduced to technologies/powers governed by the laws of physics.

I hope this provides an adequate counter to your IF!

xenoview's picture
CptMattReddy

CptMattReddy
What if the god like beings powers and advanced tech could work in our universe. What if it's capable of bending reality and the laws of physics. We honestly don't know.

Jacob Bartell's picture
xenoview, at that point I

xenoview, at that point I think it would really simply be technology/powers that appear to be supernatural. Think of a warp-drive; it is theoretically possible to warp space around a craft to make it appear to travel faster than light to a being without sufficient knowledge. It could then potentially be labeled as a 'God', because it appears to break the laws of physics by travelling faster than the interstellar speed limit. And I do want to clarify just so it has no potential to be confused, but by powers I intend it on a similar level as insects that can see in infrared or ultraviolet. By this I mean that a God could potentially have biological powers such as the ability to pick up on other creatures electrical impulses in the nervous systems to 'read minds' like a snake reads the heat of an organism. Powers would be nothing more than capabilities we ourselves do not possess, like the ability to see in a broader spectrum or sense magnetic fields, etc.

And I wholly agree we do not know, but that's what makes this so enticing, don't you agree?

Tin-Man's picture
Awesome, CptMatt! That was a

Awesome, CptMatt! That was a great read. You are one smart cookie, ol' boy. Being something of a science nerd myself, it is entertaining for me to consider and discuss such ideas. Sure, nobody (and I mean NOBODY) really knows for absolute certain how this whole shebang got started, but that doesn't mean we can't have a bit of fun speculating about it every now and then. Excellent first post, my man. Hope to see more.

Aposteriori unum's picture
What tests can be done to

What tests can be done to potentially falsify the theory? At this time we don't have a good understanding of what dark matter and dark energy actually is. To include it, I think, we at least need to know more about it.

The word perfect is also a subjective meter. It can be used but only if you define it in such a way that we can demonstrate the difference between a perfect thing and an imperfect thing in a meaningful and objective manner. If it simply means equilibrium then I don't see how its inclusion is necessary.

The problem is we don't have any other universes to compare this one to so postulating that a deity could or could not exist in one or another is a tricky enterprise if it's ever to be confirmed.

I like where your idea is going, even though science already adheres to methodological naturalism. Science necessarily deals with what is demonstrable and observed in the natural world, what can be tested with pragmatic results. So to include the supernatural is, by definition, outside of scientific inquiry.

Hope that helps.

Tin-Man's picture
I think what intrigues me the

I think what intrigues me the most about this is the consideration there are potentially beings out there somewhere that have such advanced technology that it would seem supernatural to us. True, we currently have no way of prooving (or even testing, for that matter) any of this, just as Apost said. But, dang, it is fun to ponder. I mean, for instance, think about the cell phones we use today. They are part of a technology we simply take for granted. Yet, a person from as little as - saaaay - 150 years ago would see them as an almost supernatural device. Heck, some folks would even consider it demonic witchcraft. Sorry, nerdy things like that just fascinate and amuse me. *chuckle*

Whocares386's picture
Why God is not a valid

Why God is not a valid explanation

Most people do not base their religious beliefs on scientific or logical reasoning. People generally believe because other people around them believe.

But these beliefs should still appear to be scientifically justified, otherwise the skeptic and scientific part of the human mind, which is possessed by everyone to some degree (more for some people and less for others), is not satisfied.

Check that article for further information:
http://turkishatheist.net/?p=1

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Anonymous's picture
"But these beliefs should

"But these beliefs should still appear to be scientifically justified, otherwise the skeptic and scientific part of the human mind, which is possessed by everyone to some degree (more for some people and less for others), is not satisfied."

You mention "scientifically justified". When was the last time you ever heard science come up with language like "the skeptic and scientific part of the human mind"?

I did enjoy the blog. It's too bad the op-eds are not current, but in any case, very interesting.

Cognostic's picture
1. There is no "THEORY" of a

1. There is no "THEORY" of a godless universe. WTF are you talking about.

2. How science can disprove the existence of a (perfect) God.
Science need not disprove anything. The burden of proof is on the religious. The "null hypothesis" simply asserts "That which can not be proved can be rejected." Put more simply, by Hitchen's Razor "That which can be asserted without fact, can be rejected without fact." Your proof is completely unnecessary.

3. " theory of gravity" You are using the word "theory" incorrectly. There are two common theories of gravity. Newton's and Einstein's. Both are commonly used depending on what is being described and both are valid, verifiable, fact based positions.. You are confounding the common usage of theory - meaning "idea." With the scientific term "Theory" meaning "body of knowledge."

4. Christians have been explaining away God's inconsistencies for 2000 years. Pointing out a few more will not make a difference.

5. “Perfection can only truly be achieved by complete nothingness, and as such, existence is imperfect.” REJECTED: You have no evidence for the existence of philosophical nothingness and current science asserts physical nothingness is a myth. (Kraus) According to modern thinking, nothingness is full of quantum fluctuation and particles randomly appear and vanish. There is nothing perfect about it.

6. “Nothing is everlasting; everything has both a beginning and end.” LOL look at what you have said. "Nothing is everlasting." (It lasts forever.) Then, "everything has a beginning and an end." This assertion is too vague to be accepted. REJECTED Furthermore, point 5 explained the instability of nothing. Nothing is not empty, it is actually something. (Lawrence Krause)

7. Your third point is just blabber. You have done a whole lot of footwork for nothing. The fact of the matter is that "Absence of evidence "IS" evidence of absence," and we already have 2000 years of empty Christian apologetics, lies, and false proofs to support the rejection of the God hypothesis.

It would help you to learn the distinction between hypothesis and theory.

8. "These three postulates together determine that a perfect deity cannot be created from existence, nor exist outside of existence, eliminating the possibility of such a deity."

No, they don't. You only made the assertion. You have not proved anything.

9. "This concludes my first post ever written, " Thank you and welcome to the forum. You need to learn a bit more about Atheism and God. Keep participating and the folks around here should get you in shape in no time at all. The idea of a god is just a hypothesis and the hypothesis has been rejected over and over and over again. The burden of proof is on the believers. Finally; there are many good arguments against the existence of god that do not need all the quantum BS you have attempted to assert. My favorite is "The Problem of Evil"

Epicurus. Greek philosopher who lived from 341-270 BC.
"Is god willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then why does evil exist?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? "

This is not without its flaws and the religious have sought to justify their God at every turn. Still it is a good one. And much, much, much, much simpler that whatever it is you are attempting to try.

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