You will love this. It's insane - Face Transplants

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You will love this. It's insane - Face Transplants

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Ummmm oh great one, there is

Ummmm oh great one, there is no evidence for a god. Never has been.

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David Killens's picture
Each day the lists that

Each day the lists that theists have of "only god can do this" dwindles.

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@cognostic

@cognostic

Thanks for the post. It's made my day.

The first partial face transplant was done in France, 2005 . The results today show they have come a long way.

I don't think of god when presented with such an event. I am simply awed yet again at the wonder of science and the human imagination.

There is a Chinese curse "may you live in interesting times. " Well, the times in which I have lived and still live have been and remain endlessly fascinating to me.

My mobile phone has more computing power and more storage than Univac . That is amazing to me. So too are flat screen TV's and the solar panels on my roof. I guess I may be simply easily amazed. This is fine with me. I think so much better than being jaded.

Below a link to some graphic images of face transplants . I think they are wonderful.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/amazing-face-transplants-graphic-images/9/

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@Crank47 and thread

My mobile phone has more computing power and more storage than Univac . That is amazing to me. So too are flat screen TV's and the solar panels on my roof.

This stuff amazes and fascinates me to.

The closest thing I have seen to a "god" is highly educated humans with access to all the latest technology. Think, what almost any person 100 years ago would think of someone that is "rich" today? They would think them as almost a god, perhaps a demigod. Able to cast pure magic, (to them,) and with incredible knowledge and capability.

I got the latest tv to nerd out to ~6 months ago, an LG oled tv, that finally came down to reasonable price point. It is 4k, (8,294,400) pixels. Each pixel has 3 red, 3 green and 3 blue organic light emitting diodes. That is just shy of 75 million points of light. 75 million points of light to recreate a picture that looks more photo realistic than anything else I have ever seen.

Furthermore those pixels can turn on or off 120 times a second to accurately fool the brain to nearly flawless video trickery. I can sit back and watch 75 million lights flicker on and off 120 times a second and have a "convincing window" in to impossible fantasy worlds. With the right camera and this tv, you can see more information than you could ever hope to see in reality with your own eyes.

Now if only: movie/film studios would give up their silly 24fps limitation "because that is what people are used to." And video content is more realistic and engaging than ever before.

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@LogicFTW

@LogicFTW

"Think, what almost any person 100 years ago would think of someone that is "rich" today? They would think them as almost a god, perhaps a demigod. Able to cast pure magic, (to them,) and with incredible knowledge and capability.
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I think you sell ordinary blokes like you and I short.

I have actually thought of the idea bringing a person from 1950 into my car and my house. Plus , I guess it would depend on from whence that person came; say rural Africa or Brooklyn.

Interesting about your TV. I lusted after an OLED TV when they first came out.A 55 inch was $2600 at my local discount joint.

Then Samsung joined with TCL and Hisense to sell its response to OLED ,its QLED TV. I bought one for $1300.00 . 55inch, Android TV, UHD 4K, and it's terrific. Of course it remains a backlit LCD and seeing OLED and QLEd side by side shows OLE is the superior display system. BUT not hugely different to me. ( it's been argued that QLED is not a new display system)

I love new tech ,shiny things and things being delivered.

In March 2016 I bought an Imac, 21.5 inch it was $1600.00. I bought it because I've thought Imacs are beautiful and have wanted one since the all in ones first came out. I had bought a new PC every three years. I got sick of them and wanted the new generation.

I'm sick of the Imac, but it's still working just fine.So, I'm getting a new PC for the computer room, and setting up the Imac in the lounge.

The new PC is being bought for what I will use it for. it IE I do not play computer games, so do not need a powerful graphics card ,or a core i9 processor. Instead I'm having an i5 processor, 8GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD instead of an HDD. With Windows 10 Home and a Philips 32 inch monitor; just under $1000.00 all up.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes me to relearn Windows.I'm excited. my only concern is that it might take awhile for the shop to put it together. I'm buying from MSY , cheap but poor after sales. It's a big chain here.

Oh, re TV'S: I have a 3D Plasma .It came with 3D, I wasn't looking for it. I've actually watched 3 shows on it. I quite like the effect, but hate wearing those bloody glasses. .I read somewhere that the technology for 3D without glasses already exists. I'm sure it will come eventually. In the meantime, I think there will soon be entire wall LCD's, tailor made for the ordinary house. . After a couple of years, ,economy of scale kicks in and prices drop.

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@cranky47

@cranky47

think you sell ordinary blokes like you and I short.

I

I actually think we are both close to "rich" globally. Only need a household income of ~25k a year (before taxes) to be considered "rich" globally, (top 20%). Course if you want true "rich" (top 5%) you need 85k for the household a year.

It is all subjective I guess. I meant rich in the sense of: access to a reliable car, air conditioning, solid roof over your head, and not food insecure, and can afford to buy things like new tv's and computers and a decent internet connectivity. As well as solid medical care.

Then Samsung joined with TCL and Hisense to sell its response to OLED ,its QLED TV.

I seriously considered the Samsung QLED series as well, and was considering getting that, until I managed to score an OLED at a price point I was happy with. QLED's do phenomenal pictures, just as good as OLED unless you put them side by side, and feed the OLED top of the line HDR 4k content in a completely light controlled setting.

I put black fabric behind the wall I mounted the TV on, left the other walls white. And at night turn off all other nights when I am watching a movie with good 4k hdr content/high bit rate. The effect is stunning the picture "floats" and top/bottom bars for wide format content disappear entirely. Even my wife who always thought new TV's were silly, noticed the difference. (upgrading from an old cheap 1080p lcd tv.)

The light from the TV makes the whole room match the scene on the TV. Hot sunny desert? The room is lit up as such in many ways. A dark scene? The room is dark. I watched some HDR lighting storm content, and "my jaw was on the floor" When there is no lighting, the room is completely dark, then the lightning happens, and wham it is almost blinding, just like real lightening. And all you see is lightning and anything the lightning lit up (like clouds.) I imagine you can get similar effect on your QLED.

Seems like you are quite technically proficient. You are correct, no need for an expensive video card and top of the line processor if you are not playing games or doing professional photo/video editing or something like rendering. Sadly the way the build things (even macs) you do not want a computer for more than 5 years anyhow. This computer I am typing on I have upgraded a few times, but it is nearing 5 years old now.

In the meantime, I think there will soon be entire wall LCD's, tailor made for the ordinary house. . After a couple of years, ,economy of scale kicks in and prices drop.

Agree with you there, depending on what you mean by a "couple, of years." It is available soon as now, in a more "janky" set up. But 1 continuous, uninterrupted 4 meter screen for prices even the top 20% globally can afford, is probably at least 5 years away imho.

But bigger is definitely getting cheaper fast in multiple ways. With TV's getting down to less than 5 dollars per diagonal inch, (if you are not too concerned with picture quality.) Having a wall of tv's eithir a single piece or or multiple screens, is rapidly becoming financially feasible. I seen 55 inch TV's for as low as 200 bucks. So for 800 bucks you can have 110 inch diagonal "wall" if you were okay with some bezels. Spend a little more and you can get close to bezel's TV's making an almost uniform picture. Bigger budget, can easily net you 4 meter diagonal measurement over all the screens. Many houses do not even have walls that big unless the bottom screens are pretty close to the ground.

With both my wife and I working from home now in IT heavy fields, we already have a "wall" of monitors in our office, sitting on our desks. 5 Screens between us, sometimes more when we use our laptop screens too. It is actually somewhat hilarious looking.

I had a friend that had a 3d projector, it is fun, but mostly a "few times" gimmick. It too used glasses, and had drawbacks over just a standard format picture.

However 3D in VR.. especially in a highly detailed computer generated world you can explore in, now THAT is impressive 3D. I tried it on the older HTC Vive, and was blown away. I Can't wait to see what the same stuff looks like in the new Vive Index. (higher resolution, more field of view, etc.) I heard reports that the new Vive Index and playing games like half life Alyx, for too long, reality becomes disorienting, instead

dogalmighty's picture
Because there are no face

Because there are no face transplants in the quran or kjv, it is the work of the devil.

Tell me people like this do not exist, and I will be vastly more accepting of the religious.

boomer47's picture
@doG

@doG

"Because there are no face transplants in the quran or kjv, it is the work of the devil."

Well you're obviously not looking hard enough. I'm sure there must be a reference to say being two faced.

I'm only half joking.Over years, I've seen Muslims claim a range of modern discoveries are mentioned in the Quran, centuries early.

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THIS from a 30 second search:

"On the 9th of November, 1976, an unusual lecture was given at the French Academy of Medicine. Its title was “Physiological and Embryological data in the Qur’an”. I presented the study based on the existence of certain statements concerning physiology and reproduction in the Qur’an. My reason for presenting this lecture was because it is impossible to explain how a text produced in the seventh century could have contained ideas that have only been discovered in modern times.

For the first time, I spoke to members of a learned medical society on subjects whose basic concepts they all knew well, but I could, just as easily, have pointed out statements of a scientific nature contained in the Qur’an and other subjects to specialists from other disciplines. Astronomers, zoologists, geologists and specialists in the history of the earth would all have been struck, just as forcibly as medical doctors, by the presence in the Qur’an of highly accurate reflections on natural phenomena. These reflections are particularly astonishing when we consider the history of science, and can only lead us to the conclusion that they are a challenge to human explanation."

It's very long, but this will give you an idea o the level of scholarship, scientific literacy and conformation bias.

"The Sun and Moon.
Whereas the Bible talks of the sun and the moon as two lights differing only in size, the Qur’an distinguishes between them by the use of different terms: light (noor) for the moon, and lamp (siraaj) for the sun.

“Did you see how Allah created seven heavens, one above the other, and made in them the moon a light and the sun a lamp?” Qur’an, 71: 15-16

The moon is an inert body which reflects light, whereas the sun is a celestial body in a state of permanent combustion producing both light and heat. "

https://www.whyislam.org/on-faith/the-quran-and-modern-science-3/

David Killens's picture
@ cranky47

@ cranky47

But that pales when one realizes that the distance to the moon was calculated by the Greeks 270 BC. And we are supposed to be amazed that it took another 800 years before the Muslims figured out that the sun was hot and the moon a rock?

boomer47's picture
"But that pales when one

"But that pales when one realizes that the distance to the moon was calculated by the Greeks 270 BC."

Thank you. One less of the vast number of things of which I am presently ignorant .

I think they also correctly calculated the circumference of the earth. I understand Christopher Columbus underestimated the earth's

--The Muslim claims pale when one takes a real look at most of them. Doubly sad when considers the Muslim golden age*** and its advances.

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*** 8th to the14th centuries.

"The Islamic Golden Age was a period of cultural, economic, and scientific flourishing in the history of Islam, traditionally dated from the 8th century to the 14th century.[1][2][3] This period is traditionally understood to have begun during the reign of the Abbasid caliph Harun al-Rashid (786 to 809) with the inauguration of the House of Wisdom in Baghdad, the world's largest city by then, where Islamic scholars and polymaths from various parts of the world with different cultural backgrounds were mandated to gather and translate all of the world's classical knowledge into Arabic and Persian.[4][5] Several historic inventions and significant contributions in numerous fields were made throughout the Golden Age that revolutionized human history."

The full wiki article is fascinating and well worth a read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

David Killens's picture
@ cranky47

@ cranky47

"I think they also correctly calculated the circumference of the earth. I understand Christopher Columbus underestimated the earth's "

Eratosthenes calculated Earth's circumference at 26,000 miles (42,000 km), only five percent away from the modern accepted value of 24,901 miles (40,074 km). But Columbus was a long waaaayyyy off.

But all of this lends into my personal opinion that very little scientific advancement went on during this "Golden Age". Europe was sinking into it's dark age (courtesy of christianity), and in comparison to it's closest neighbor, they looked good.

Columbus never knew of the work of Eratosthenes

dogalmighty's picture
If the narrative shifting

@cranky

If the narrative shifting assertions were backed by demonstrable scientific evidence somewhere in the so called holy book, then the islamic apologists that you linked to, may have something.

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