6 reasons objective morality does not exist.

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howejm3's picture
The problem with Christianity

The problem with Christianity is not that it has been tried and found wanting, but that it has been found difficult and left untried.

How does "Love your enemy" result in human annihiliation?

Cognostic's picture
Objective morality is

Objective morality is demonstrable - Sam Harris and Matt Dillahaunty have excellent arguments for an objective and scientific morality.

1. There is no foundation for moral behavior in Christianity. "Thou shall not kill" and then the bible mandates that we kill anyone who tries to sway us from our Christian beliefs. "Thou shall not steal or covet" but it is perfectly okay to steal livestock and slaves from the neighbors around you. God himself does not follow his own moral dictates.


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@cognostic "Thou shalt not

@cognostic "Thou shalt not kill" and then the bible mandates that we kill anyone who tries to sway us from our Christian beliefs.

You're thinking of Islam. There is no death penalty for apostasy in Christianity.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ JF "There is no death

@ JF "There is no death penalty for apostasy in Christianity."

Deuteronomy Chapter 13

6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

7 [Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth;

8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

And just don't try with the old chestnut" but that's the old testament". Heres the words of Jesus as reported by Matthew

"“Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)”

The penalty for apostasy in Christianity is death both temporal and spiritual and has been the canon law of the Church for generations, just not applied in recent years with the vigor and enthusiasm it was in recent centuries.

It would help debates here if you actually read your bible before making statements.

howejm3's picture
@Old Man shouts

@Old Man shouts

You do realize that moral dilemmas only help my case, right?

They wouldn't be dilemmas if there weren't objective moral values behind them.

Kill everyone, who cares? Maybe the next primate will do better? Oh dear, I said better. I meant different. Kill them too, for good measure.

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Dilemmas only exist because

Dilemmas only exist because of subjectivity.

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@Sapporo: Dilemmas only exist

@Sapporo: Dilemmas only exist because of subjectivity

What do you mean by subjectivity?

Sapporo's picture
Being human.

Being human.

In logic, you don't get dilemmas. In ethics, it is a completely different matter.

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@ JF

@ JF

"You do realize that moral dilemmas only help my case, right?"

What moral dilemma? you made a statement that, and I quote your post, "There is no death penalty for apostasy in Christianity."...

I just provided evidence from your book and can provide much more in the way of examples throughout history that the death penalty does indeed exist,has been, and is pursued with active zest in christianity...how is this a moral dilemma?

You have made no case, just a statement that has been refuted from your own book.

[It would help, if you are answering another post to put the subject line in the first part of the post. Otherwise your replies seem, well, disjointed.]

arakish's picture
Christianity itself IS the

Christianity itself IS the death penalty for apostasy. The entire bible is filled with how the unbelievers should be treated: death by burning.



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