Make believe your gay--or if your gay make believe your "straight". It would be impossible to be anything but what you are. Now as an atheist make believe you believe Jesus Christ is your savior. Come on try hard.. Can't do it can you.. Try really, really, really hard to believe there is a imaginary man in heaven. Can't do it-can you. If you are a believer in God or Allah and really believe in Adam and Eve and the talking snake or heaven and hell make believe that there is NO God. Try really hard to give up your belief in God... Can't do it--can you. While homosexuality is 99.9% "born this way" I believe belief in God is 68% 'born this way". Conditioning and environment may have little to do with being gay(99% born that way). While conditioning and environment have a lot to do with belief in God many are "born that way"(66% born that way. Right at the beginning(in the genes) human beings are predisposed to believing in God. Richard Dawkins might argue evolution might have something to do to belief in God. I accept that.. But more than evolution some human beings are predisposed to believing in God. Even if it is only 66% predisposed to believe in God--add conditioning and environment to someone who is 66% predisposed to belief in God and-----you have a Liberty University born again Christian or ISIS and a Allah fanatic. To a certain extent you are "born this way" to be a believer in God or not. If you are born with little or no genes to predispose you to believe in God --no way in hell could you accept such fucking bullshit. On the other hand if you are born with lots of genes to predispose you to believe in God-with the right conditioning you would be susceptible to believing Jesus was born from a virgin and other such bullshit. As a heterosexual or homosexual you are 99.9% born that way. As an atheist or "theist" you are predisposed in your genes to belief in God. To a certain extant you are born to reject an invisible God or except Jesus as your personal savior. To those who think this is a whole bunch of "crap" and bull--tooooooooooooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. You were "BORN THIS WAY" to reject my intelligent hypothesis or a interesting, creative and smart person and except it. Either way you were BORN THIS WAY. God Bless!!
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"Make believe your gay..."
Hi, I'm new here and this was the 1st post I picked to read, why, well I believe I was born a non believer also! Coming from a prodominic Catholic family, I actually have a better chance of being accepted for being gay as I would for being an atheist!
Everyone, absolutely 100% of the people are born not believing in a god. You have to be indoctrinated (brainwashed) to believe in a god.
Well, yeah...so u can understand how it was for me growing up, how I'm still me and but everyone I know are ignorant to the world!
I wonder how the first God believers came about when we're born without belief. I don't mean this as snarky or trolling, just something I'm really wondering. I no longer believe in god as anything other than a fictional character. But how did such characters rise out of naturally atheistic brains? If there was some impulse behind it, wouldn't that impulse still exist? Perhaps a kind of default function of the brain. I can't understand this mysterious universe, therefore a giant human-like thing in the sky made it.
"POWER" plain and simple. I can imagine a troop of humanoids trying to decide who would lead them. Naturally they would want a leader that could provide them with all their needs and protect them. One of the candidates attributes his powers to a supernatural being and though he personally is weak, he claims he has a power given to him. People are naturally curious and superstitious at the same time. They couldn't know where everything including themselves came from. They didn't understand how the sun rose everyday. They quite naturally decided it had to be a "god". People understood that when they caused something it had an effect. They applied that thought to things that they couldn't understand. Now back to the candidate. He claims that he derives power when need be from a god that that god has chosen him. Thus he becomes the tribal leader. All people are born atheist. An outside force or experience makes them decide (wrongly) that there is a god.
Hahahahahh. Oh, did anyone else find that absolutely hilarious? Born to be an atheist my but. I was born into an all Christian family, and I'm an atheist. Explain that with your little.......whatever this would be considered.
Either way, this thing had bullet holes in it before it rolled off the production line. Same is to be said for the factory that produced it.
My logical mind-and the fact that everyone is born an atheist- allowed me to be an atheist. Nothing to do with genes.
Your post doesn't make much sense to me. You are an atheist? And for some reason you think a Catholic family is more likely to accept a gay family member than an atheist family would?
Even though a non-believer does not have any obligation to shun or kill gay people, but the Catholic faith has a 2000 year old tradition of shunning and killing gay people?
What exactly are you basing your assumption on?
The original post was made by the infamous troll Kenny. A.k.a "Kenny Schweiger", "myself", "alleycat", "richardd", "Christopher", "marken", "punkin", "amber", "Simon", "fred,k", "blasphemy", "rickwarren", "(not verified)" and "imagine".
Ah, this be that blaggerd.
Yup. It's an old thread that Imajoe posted an answer to.
Just looked at the date. (Sigh) YGTBFKM
I like to add that where I was born and raised and still live(41) Newfoundland & Labrador, Canada....it's a small town, small minds, they laugh off the word atheist, atheism ect....they think it's a joke, their ignorant to it. OK it's like this, if I went to my family and said I was gay, they would be upset but still love me and get over it move on. But if I wer to say that I'm atheist, they look at me say don't be silly, your just agnostic...you believe in god, u just don't know which one...bla bla bla same ol shit i hear all the time! So out of respect for my parents, I don't argue and just leave it at that. So can u see my point?
No. Respect for ignorance is the equivalent of not respecting yourself enough to defend the fact that you are an atheist.
I was raised Catholic, and I share with you the affirmation that historically, being gay is not okay in that religion. My parents were appalled when they discovered I was bi and told me I was confused. I was ashamed of myself for years before accepting I wasn't "confused" at all. This and the church's risable teachings about masturbation were enough to make me reject it as a hoax at age 17.
In my community being gay isn't as bad as it use to be, it's more accepting nowadays.In a town, pop of 8000 give or take a few 100, betwen the Johavha's and the Pentecostals, Anglican and the United, The Salvation Army and then the Catholic Church. I only know a hand full of atheist!
My apologies, I completely misread your first post.
I turned it around and thought you said that an atheist family would be harder to come out to as gay. My bad.
It's great to hear that you had such little problems in coming out as gay, and to hear that the community you live in is so tolerant.
At the same time it sad to hear how the attitude is towards atheism.
I never said I was gay, I was using it as an example to compare how my town views atheism. But thanks for the thought all the same! I'm new to forums and the like, so when I say the title....born this way, I figured it would be a good place to start.
Ok, LoL, my bad again. Sorry :)
If you are going to carry a flag, hold it high, or don't bother with it.
At least, that's my point of view on the subject.
Do you have any proof of the stats you through out. As far as I know Gays are born they way they are. Environment makes them deny it but inside they are still gay. Atheist are not offended nor do they deny homosexuality as a natural condition. As a result gays are not persecuted by atheist. Now catholics and the catholic church have a long history of persecuting homosexuals.
Historically all faiths have persecuted and have been prejudice against gays and still are.
Mykcob, I hope your not talking to me, as I said none of that.
Public information announcement:
"(not verified)" is/was actually an infamous troll of the Atheist Republic forum.
Generally referred to as "Kenny", has been banned many times under different names.
Previously known aliases include: "Kenny Schweiger", "Kenny", "myself", "alleycat", "richardd", "Christopher", "marken", "punkin", "amber", "Simon", "fred,k", "blasphemy", "rickwarren", "imagine" and "Donald. T".
It's no use writing anything to the Original Post for this thread. Nothing he wrote could be trusted or relied upon.
That's why I said, "The product was riddled with bullet holes off the production line, and the same is to be said for the factory...."
There's an echo in here, echo in here, in here, here......
Thanks for the heads up!
Thanks for the heads up!
Actually Hinduism promotes it
Actually, I imagine what it would be like if G-d didn't exist frequently since its such a foreign concept, in fact it's so foreign I can only imagine the full implications of this for a few seconds until I loose concept of it, here's my best description:
Nothing, all assumptions of any concept of reality or matter existing vanish, there is nothing, there does not have to be anything, any idea of self or if others fades away: no matter, and no reality for it to exist in, no time to record how Kong there was nothing, there just isn't. Everything is blank and simplicity, isn't.
Then I begin thinking about how our planet wouldn't be, neither would we, and there would be no existence and no reality, how ideas and concepts become meaningless, then I loose the image of this ""nothing." Since the implications are so enormous.