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The Old Testament says that "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's ass." - Exodus 20:17
But under the covenant of the New Testament, it says: 'When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”' - Matthew 15:10-11
And don't forget all of these.
Cannibalistic - a person who eats the flesh of other human beings.
This is a joke, right? Right?!....
HumbleThinker, haven't you read your bible?
Deuteronomy 28:53-57 (also Lev 26:29)
Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you. Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children, and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating. It will be all he has left because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities. The most gentle and sensitive woman among you - so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot - will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter the afterbirth from her womb and the children she bears. For she intends to eat them secretly during the siege and in the distress that your enemy will inflict on you in your cities.
@ Humble thinkler
"this is a joke, right?"
The passages quoted here and in the OP by Dio and others give us some insight as to why the early christians were so despised in Rome during the mid to late 1st and early second centuries. Not only did they spurn the Roman duty to sacrifice to the Emperor as a god but they were accused of baby stealing, cannibalism, forced mutilation and other horrors.
Christians react in horror when they read of these accusations in Tacitus and other Roman writers. "not us they say, no we are the religion of love...." " those poor christians, just having communion and being good jews, obeying the Law", they say...
Ironically all these practises as Dio and others have found, are actually in the 'holy' book and are practised in circumcision and the eucharist to this day.
Many Romans studied the Torah, it was a popular study in the early 1st century as it claimed to be the oldest religion and the synagogues in Rome and elsewhere were often packed with curious Romans eager to hear the history of this strange people. The Jews were even granted an immunity from sacrificing to the Emperor, a privilege extended to the Early Christians (as they were, without exception jews). This was rescinded after the Great Fire, then re instated some years later, but did not include (after the second ban) gentile christian converts
History is a revealing study HT, you should try it sometime.
I am losing interest in this site because it is full of people like yourself, whose self serving bias perverses and distorts actually history and philosophy, while proclaiming to be the true “savior” of mankind. What you said is a joke. Yes, Christians were hated because they refused to bow to the dictator Monarchs of the time. Nothing to do with sacrificing babies. And Circumscision? Where does that come in? Christianity doesn’t practice circumscision. Sorry, having a hard time filtering through truth and your bullshit comments.
@ Humble tinker
Your ignorance of actual history is as deep as your arrogance is high.
Fact: ALL early christians were circumcised...they were jews, only later when the Paulines were in numbers did that edict cease to apply to non jews. One had to be jewish and observe ALL the laws before you could be a christian. Read some books.
Circumcision is still practised by many gentile sects today. Go read something.
I made it clear that the later Roman writings that depicted christians as baby eaters are based on your own biblical stories. When you witness a circumcision and see the priest kiss the baby's cocklet to cleanse it of blood you can see where the rumours started back in the 1st century.
Do some reading you arrogant arse. History is available for those who drag their sanctimonious heads out of their fantasy books.
That the Roman mob would use that as an excuse to have a few of those people thrown to the wild dogs is not surprising (See Tacitus).
You don't even know that the Hellenic and Roman vision of man was that it was a perfect creation. They could not get their heads around the jewish and early christian desire to lop off their foreskins, hence, whoever Paul was, decided to drop that requirement...despite being declared apostate by the original jewish christians.
Read some fucking books and calm yourself. I can't help you have been treated like a mushroom, and worse, failed to realise it.
You seem to be confusing the Jewish religion with the Christian religion. You do realize they are not the same, right?
Yes, Jews still practice circumcision, Christians do not. The Jewish law was that all the men had to be circumcised, as to show they are of the chosen people and to illustrate their covenant with God. Like you mention, after Christ was crucified, there were of course some disagreements on whether circumcision was still required. During the First Ecumenical Council, it was decided that Baptism replaced circumcision, signifying the new covenant. Jews still circumcise because they do not have baptism. So maybe you are right, early Christians did circumcise, but who cares? The point is Christianity, as it stands today, does not practice it.
You understand Jesus (if he ever existed) , Paul, James and all the others including ALL the christians until about 60CE were Jewish right?
You understand that you could not be a christian without being a Jew? That the Messiah was ONLY to the jews and only much later was to the gentiles, AS WELL?
Gentiles did not outnumber the Jewish christian sects until well after the Diaspora and sack of the Temple in 70CE. The mission to the gentiles did not gather any real traction until the practice of circumcision and the adherence to Jewish Law was dropped as a requirement. Read some books.
You seem to think that christianity was a homogeneous beast right from the beginning. You are sadly mistaken. Early christianity especially in the 2nd century CE, was a mass of sects, texts and oral traditions both Jewish, Gentile, Syriac (Arab) Hellenic and Roman. Some were Adoptionists, many were Gnosts, a few were Imperial but that did not get traction until the late 3rd and early 4th Century CE. The content of the gospels( and they were all anonymous except Thomas) varied , we know that Luke and Matthew did not have the birth narrative included, we know that Matthew was specific about the human parentage of the jesus figure. All this is researchable and you will find to be factual.
So dont be less than humble when you talk to me about historical fact. I deal in facts not wishful thinking and error filled 'tradition'.
from Wiki Male circumcision is also widely practiced among Christians from South Korea, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Israel, and North Africa.
Before you argue with me in future make sure of your facts and don't just put down your wishful thinking or parrot the thoughts of your pastor/priest. So far you have been in error in every post you have made.
Tumble Hinker: It's not our fault that you are completely ignorant of Christian History. Christianity IS a Jewish Sect. Circumcision is most prevalent in the religions of Judaism, Islam, Coptic Orthodox Church (CHRISTIAN), Ethiopian Orthodox Church (CHRISTIAN) and Eritrean Orthodox Church (CHRISTIAN). ..... oh there's more ...... both religious and non-religious circumcision is common in some predominantly Christian countries such as the United States, and the Philippines, Canada, and in North and West Africa and it is common in countries such as Cameroon, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Ghana, Liberia, Nigeria and Kenya, Male circumcision is also widely practiced among (NOW PAY ATTENTION) Christians from South Korea, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Israel, and North Africa. Circumcision rates in Oceania were high but are now relatively low.
Seriously, do you not know how to open a frigging book? Are you incapable of a quick internet search. Why in the fk do you utter such ignorant nonsense? If someone says something you think might be wrong "Christianity today doesn't practice it." Why the fuck not look up the information before you stick your filthy wet shit stained feet in your mouth again? I just don't get you. The Internet and an entire world of information is at your fingertips and you sit their staring at it like a dunce.
The bit of writing that follows this is called an IP address. (Internet Protocol address). If you copy this address and put it in your browser window, and then click "ENTER" on your computer, it will take you to a page were Circumcision is explained. If you try to find pages like this before you post comments, you will not look like such an idiot! Just trying to help you out. It never hurts to check your facts. What was that old religious saying? "It's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are a fool, than it is to open it and prove it."
ANYONE WANT TO BET THAT THE NEXT POST FROM HT'S LIMITED MIND IS -- "THE NO TRUE SCOTSMAN FALLACY"
Then leave. Are we forcing you to stay? This is just self-admitting you are nothing more than a sadomasochistic Religious Absolutist Apologist.
Your biggest problem is your grasp on actual historical events and figures. You don't know anything outside of that book of plagiarized and re-written myths and legends FAR! older than the Bible and the Hebrews (Jews, Israelites, whatthefuckever).
You need to stay in elementary school and quit skipping classes to smoke that weed. It is bad for uneducated yunguns like yourself. Marijuana is really bad for yunguns while the brain is still developing. Ever wonder why I never did anything until I was 24yrs old? Because I read up on the effects of drugs, including tobacco's nicotine, on the human body. Specifically focusing on the brain. And I did this when I was only 11 years old, to 14 years old. Needless to say, the public librarians found it strange that a child was wanting any and all information about tobacco, marijuana, alcohol, etc., etc.
Stay in school. Actually learn something. Come back in 20 years when you have earned a Baccalaureate.
“Are you really saying that you wouldn't actually personally kill Jesus and drain his corpse of blood and drink it and eat his entire body in order to gain eternal life?”
I would absolutely fucking not. You know I am genuinely confused by you, D. On one hand, you seem to have read the Bible inside and out many times, and I truly respect your perspective on that. But at the same time, you make comments like these. Those that are such perversions of any faith that it becomes disingenuous. I am just trying to figure out if you truly believe the dishonesty that you are saying, or if you think if you shout it loud enough you will be right...?
Ain'tHumbleCan'tThink: "“Are you really saying that you wouldn't actually personally kill Jesus and drain his corpse of blood and drink it and eat his entire body in order to gain eternal life?” I would absolutely fucking not."
But this is a standard ritual you Religious Absolutists play at every Sunday meeting.
@D EEEEWWW! Lateral readings. I did not know you could do that. AWESOME. Thanks for the post. I gotta check out that feature!! Can it do same stories from different books in the same bible? Laterally is the only way to read any bible and the ability to compare them as you have is perfect!
Again, this is just a gross and intentional perversion of what this means. Would you not consider the 12 that stayed as true believers? (Except maybe Judas) Did they kill Christ and eat him? Obviously the message wasn't literal. Come on, you know this...
You know what is a greater evil than believing falsehood out of ignorance? Intentionally telling lies.
"You know what is a greater evil than believing falsehood out of ignorance? Intentionally telling lies."
Did jesus die for your sins?
Is jesus truly dead or is jesus in heaven?
" Did they kill Christ and eat him? Obviously the message wasn't literal."
You've not heard of the Eucharist then? Or transubstantiation? Catholicray was asked if this was literally true on here a few days ago, and he seemed pretty sure it was? This is the trouble with theists is all they all claim to know the truth, but they can never agree what it is, and not one of them can demonstrate any objective evidence for their beliefs or for any deity.
The problem is that you're acting like the atheists here have made this idea up, but it is a widely held christian belief amongst catholics that they literally are eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Jesus.
I was just getting ready to go there and link it to Paganism. Just a time zone apart.
Finally. He has returned.
Actually thinking of changing your ScreenName to Ain'tHumbleCan'tThinker
I actually posted this message right when the forums went down. Thus here it is.
Just in case you come back after your fellow Religious Absolutists attacked our innocent WWW site …
Remember your reply where you said this?
Well, here is the reply I had written and tried to post when your fellow Religious Absolutists DDoS attacked the Atheist Republic. And before you even try with your accussations, as far as I am concerned, ANY AND ALL Religious Absolutists are your fellows, regardless. The ONLY difference between any of you Religious Absolutists is your name; otherwise, you are all the same.
“If you tell me to think critically one more time, I am going to lose my shit. I have been thinking critically, how do you think I know you are FULL OF SHIT!” My, my. The "humble" one is first to resort to ad hominem. Hmm...
DO NOT EVER TELL ME WHAT I CAN OR CANNOT SAY!
ALL of you sorry Religious Absolutists have been trying to tell me what I can or cannot say and what I can or cannot think for far too long. I shall say and think whatever I wish to say and think whenever I wish to say and think it. Don't like it? Well, I can give you many expletive directions as to what you Religious Absolutists can do to yourself. And with yourself …
If I wish to tell you to Think Critically I shall do so whenever I know you ain’t.
And your claim saying you are Thinking Critically is bullshit and horse hoowhee!
And do you honestly Think Critically that I care whether you lose your shit if I tell you to Think Critically one more time?
Well, if I ain’t mistaken, I have just told you to Think Critically five times.
If you don’t like it, I ain’t the one who forced you to come to these forum boards. SLAPP.
Perfect Quote that Describes Me: “Beware of him that is slow to anger; for when it is long coming, it is the stronger when it comes, and the longer kept. Abused patience turns to fury.” — Francis Quarles
Ultimate Message of ALL Religions: “If you do not believe in what WE believe or do as WE say, then you are condemned to die and burn in Hell FOREVER!”
And if you tell me this is wrong, I will call you a <self-censored expletive> <self-censored expletive> <self-censored expletive> LIAR to your face. Or proverbial face here on these forums. This is the ONLY message all you bigoted Religious Absolutists have spread all over the Earth. And if you say it is not, then that does prove you ain't never read your pathetic religious texts while Thinking Critically (6×).
I have found in my many decades of life that no person is capable of writing/speaking anything of substance without offending someone somewhere sometime. I have become much like Christopher Hitchens, “I could care less if I say or write something that may be offensive to anyone. If it is offensive, then it is their problem, not mine.” I may not purposefully attempt to offend anyone, but if I do, I shall never lose any sleep. If you find something offensive, the problem is yours, NOT mine. I have also adapted Stephen Fry’s outlook, “You’re offended? So the fuck what?” As Arakish has said, “Only YOU have the power to give anything the power to offend YOU.”
Perhaps it was Christopher Hitchens who made you religious assholes finally realize the errors of your ways; thus, changing your tactics. “Let me just tell you something. For hundreds, even thousands, of years this kind of discussion would have been, in most places, impossible to have. Or, Sam [Harris] and I would have been having it at the risk of our lives. Religion now comes to us in this smiley–face, ingratiating way because it’s had to give up so much ground and because we know so much more. But you’ve no right to forget the way religion behaved when it was strong, and when it really did believe that it had God on its side.”
And here are my definitions again since you seem unwilling to Think Critically and remember them.
The difference between a Religious Absolutist (a.k.a. – religious assholes) and a Religious Person (a.k.a. – civilized believers) is that the Absolutist completely believes the Bible/Qu'ran is inerrantly correct and will not accept any evidence that truthfully proves their beliefs are completely incorrect. A Religious Person actually believes science to be true and views the Bible/Qu'ran as basically a fairy tale, excepting the very few true truths it does hold. Additionally, some Religious Persons only use the Bible for spiritual fulfillment and do not believe in an all-powerful, all-knowing, creator being.
How about another breakdown?
And here is a definition: sub•stan•ti•ate – verb (used with object), sub•stan•ti•at•ed, sub•stan•ti•at•ing, sub•stan•ti•a•tion; 1) to establish by proof or competent evidence; 2) to give substantial existence to; 3) to affirm as having substance, give body to, strengthen.
FYI: If you keep the entire word εναθεος (enatheos), you have the basis for the English word anathema. Anathema [uh•nath•uh•muh] noun, plural a•nath•e•mas. 1) a person or thing detested or loathed. 2) a person or thing accursed or consigned to damnation or destruction. 3) a formal ecclesiastical curse involving excommunication. 4) any imprecation of divine punishment. 5) a curse. 6) execration. And everyone of the definitions for anathema has been used by you Religious Absolutists against us atheists.
And another three good sayings by other AR members about ALL Religion.
Fallen @ AR: “Religion is a product of the imagination that was created to compensate for our primitive ignorance (ig•nur•uns), needing deliberate ignorance (ig•nor•uns) to survive in a reality that doesn’t need it anymore.”
Posted by Arakish @ AR: “Wish in one hand (religion) and do something with the other (science). Squeeze both hands real hard and see which one comes true.” — Prince Corwin, Chronicles of Amber
Q: What is the Basic Message of the Bible?
A: “All you low life primates are to kneel, kiss my ass, and beg forgiveness for the fucked up mistake I made. You are to obey my commandments, doing as I say, not as I do.” Thus, sayeth the Lord YaHWeH.
That about sums it up.
Did you know that the two biggest Absolutist religions, Christianity and Islam, can be boiled down to one simple statement: “You are to live in peace, love, and brotherhood, but only with those of like mind (same beliefs system); all others are to be put to the sword (killed). It is even in those unholy texts you call the Bible and Qu'ran if you only knew how to read them while using critical thinking. And there is nothing any of you Absolutists can say to the contrary. It is even, as your Apologists put it, your Divine Command Morality to persecute and kill those who do not believe as you believe. And if you do not believe me, then watch these videos: William Lane Craig on Genocide & Terror, and The Obscenity of Christianity. Your greatest Master Apologist shows his true colors as a supporter, and defender, of ethnic genocidal cleansing.
If you do not like people telling you to Think Critically, then perhaps you should. That makes eight times I have told you. So go ahead and lose your shit. I have “Cognostic’s Shovel: When someone starts slinging bullshit at you, get a shovel and sling it back.”
And there is one thing you ain’t never done: “Qui asserit, onus probandi non habet qui autem negaverit.”
And one thing you have always done: “Non solum qui criticum probat contra asserit morionem.”
You sir, are a failure at Thinking Critically (9×) and fact checking yourself and your logical fallacies and presupposed assumptive assertions and confirmation bias. It is the Religious Absolutists us Rational Free Thinkers need to lobotomize with critical thinking, logical and deductive reasoning, and rational and analytical thought to point out your failures at fact-checking yourselves, your logical fallacies, presupposed assumptive assertions, and confirmation bias. Not to mention having to deal with your out-right lies and incapacity for any intelligent thought and religious-based, self-induced retardation of your mental faculties.
And here is proof you are not Thinking Critically (10×):
Additionally, every argument you have made has also come from argumentum ad ignorantiam, further proving you ain’t been thinking critically (11×).
Seriously dude, your posts are too long and ignorant to read all the way through.
For the record, I’ve been looking for that thread...it seems all of my posts were deleted in the “attack” against your faith. Oh well. Looks like I’ll have to start over.
And if anyone is ignorant, then it has to be someone who worships a book of plagiarized myths and legends that do speak of cannibalism, ethnic genocidal cleansing, committing virgins into sex slaves, etc., etc., etc. All while saying it is their god's commands.
You are just one sick and immoral piece human filth who is afraid to read all the horrors your unholy book and unholy religion is based on. Why are you so afraid of reading anything?
I know, it is because you do not know how to Think Critically.
You need to go back to school and learn how to Think Critically. Go get a Baccalaureate. It will teach you how to think critically.
When it comes ignorance you are both ignorant and ignorant. You left making ad hominem. Now turnabout is fair play.
So think critically as you lose your shit. You need to lose some of it so you can at least smell the brain diarrhea you spew forth.
Oh. Go ahead start over. I'll be here to completely debunk anything you can think of.
Ugh. Another obnoxious and unsubstantial post.
*Edited for additional comments.
"You are just one sick and immoral piece human filth"
This is kinda harsh, no? Really sad that you would say something like that. For the record, I think you are wrong about a lot of things, but I would never call you that. hmm. I guess religion HAS taught me something...
Yeah. Let's just look at what your religion has taught you.
That's about it. Everything I ain't. Unless you mess with me and mine. Then the results won't be purdy.
And what about Jesus you may be asking …
[See attached image.]
And, if you are wondering, here is the listing [image] of each Faces of God with the number of verses for each face. You Christians are always saying we should fear your God. You just might be right. If you look at the top four faces [image], your God is a pissed-off fire-starting power-hungry vampire. Hell, I'd be scared of a human if they had only those four qualities. And here is another point for you, there are 28 verses of your God's misogyny (woman-hating) against only 2 verses against homosexuality. Proof to me that your deity is nothing more than a Pissed-Off Power-Hungry Vampiric Firestarting Homosexual. >:P
That sure looks like trolling to me.