http://www.internationalunionsuperiorsgeneral.org/uisg-declaration-abuse...
I am hoping they are including the references to Canon Law that caused a large part of the problem including giving them the right to rape children.
In parts of the world, the convent is considered the priests private harem.
Sisters:
I hope you included this ammunition in your sexual abuse protest. Canon law is the cause of the cove rup of sexual abuse. Abuse within religious convents was added after 1974.
270. In 1974, Pope Paul VI issued his Instruction, Secreta Continere which replaced the secret of the Holy Office with the “pontifical secret”. The reach of the secret of the Holy Office was expanded by Pope John XXIII in 1962 by applying it to the sexual abuse of children by priests who were members of religious orders, increasing the reach of that secret by some 50%. His successor, Pope Paul VI, directed that the pontifical secret should cover all allegations to superiors about sexual abuse by members of religious orders who were not clerics. That included all the teaching and nursing orders of brothers and nuns throughout the world. The effect of that was to increase its reach by a further 250% for those in the Church accused of the canonical crime of the sexual abuse of children.231
Haven’t you noticed that the pedophilia reports are the same world wide? The Catholic Church is billions of believers held hostage by 300 proud, pagan, pedophiles in the vatican. They are blatant and unapologetic.
The vatican ‘legalized’ pedophilia 100 years ago. I found the documented evidence. The Australian canon lawyers published two documents. The first is a legal report entitled “Canon Law – A Systemic Factor in Child Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church.” (free download from National Catholic Reporter) written for the Australian government. The second is the lay version “Potiphar’s Wife.” (buy on line for real money) . I verified the information with a friend of the author and the legal firm from the movie Spotlight. A third is “Child Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church; An Interpretive Review of the Literature and Public Inquiry Report” another free download through the Center for Global Research; School of Global, Urban and Social Studies, RMIT
https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/university-report-lifts-li...
May 27, 1917 was the 100 year anniversary of the beginning of ‘legal’ pedophilia in the Catholic Church; because that was the day that pedophilia became a “crime” with NO PUNISHMENT! DO NOT FORGET THAT THE VATICAN IS ITS OWN SEPARATE COUNTRY. On that day, the vatican decided that pedophilia wasn’t a crime IF NO ONE KNEW ABOUT IT. The law made secrecy about pedophilia paramount and all cases had to be handled directly by the vatican; which had no provisions for punishing them. The penalty for breaking the vow of silence was AUTOMATIC EXCOMMUNICATION.
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If people don't like it they should stop being Catholics.
Wouldn't that be great!!!!
Just another skeleton dragged out of the Catholic Church's closet.
"The Catholic nuns are complaining about sexual abuse "
IMO … Far too little ….. Far, far too late.
the whole institution is way beyond any form of redemption …. what isn't based on lies & falsehoods is the result of arrant criminality.
Truly an Augean stables in great need of an overdue cleansing.
Since i am a catholic i would have to say that the church overcomes all of these issues. I go to mass almost regularly to hear the word and receive the eucharist. this is only a slight minority of priest and nuns.As a wole the church is busy administering the sacraments and going on and doing the work that christ commanded usto do.
@billy
Did a priest have sex with you when you were a little boy?
So the church is doing christ work by telling people in Africa not to use condoms to help stop the spread of HIV and AIDS?
billy zarcone,
As the Bible says, evil company corrupts good habits. By refusing to expel the evil from your midst you yourself become cloaked in evil. It is off to the lake of fire for the whole lot.
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Well the bible says and catholic teaching professes that we should look not on our sin but on the faith of your church. please don`t condemn the whole clergy and the pope and my fellow parishoners because of a isolated problem with some priest.That`s what happens when you have a select number of allegations, the press gets a hold of the story and runs wild with it. That is what is happening on this site. people are prejudging the clergy with not knowing all the detais. here in the good all USA one is innocent until proven guilty. As you as an individual wouldn`t tolerate being accused withourt trial you should be fair to others.
Except a vast majority of such cases almost never even make it to trial. Usually due to most never daring to try to take on the church, and the few that do, they settle out of court.
Also most churches say god's law is above any human laws, sort of stating we are above the criminal justice system. Those few "bad apples" you mention frequently just get shuffled to a different location and swept under the rug. They figure they will let their "god" sort it out. Meanwhile children are scarred for life. Nun's are scarred for life, etc.
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there have been some let go some quit and some went to jail catholic church no where in the cathecism states its above civil law.Th.e church complys with the local justice like the district attorney and police
billy zarcone,
"That is what is happening on this site. people are prejudging the clergy with not knowing all the detais."
The Bible says that you are to expel the evil man from your midst = 1 Corinthians 5:11-13. The fact that the Catholic organization refuses to do that makes it evil to the core. People with any real morality would kick it to the curb. But since so few do that means that the people who continue to support it are just as evil and despicable as the pervert priests. If there was a lake of fire they need to be in it.
Maybe they could eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil again because right now they are clueless or willfully ignorant.
Billy:
The vatican operates under ROMAN law - guilty until proven innocent. They have repeatedly protected the pedophiles. The pedophiles took over the vatican 100 years ago and have had a minimum of 2.5 generations to consolidate their position. The vatican allowed all those children to be raped because of their firm belief in the divinity of their extra special ontologically endowed penises - a doctrine they have proudly & meticulously documented in CANON LAW!
The vatican ‘legalized’ pedophilia 100 years ago. I found the documented evidence. The Australian canon lawyers published two documents. The first is a legal report entitled “Canon Law – A Systemic Factor in Child Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church.” (free download from National Catholic Reporter) written for the Australian government. The second is the lay version “Potiphar’s Wife.” (buy on line for real money) . I verified the information with a friend of the author and the legal firm from the movie Spotlight. A third is “Child Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church; An Interpretive Review of the Literature and Public Inquiry Report” another free download through the Center for Global Research; School of Global, Urban and Social Studies, RMIT
https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/university-report-lifts-li...
The previous entity in possession of the vatican compared women priests to pedophiles. - The priest represents Christ. The vatican vision of Christ is therefore a deranged predator of children holy only because it is male - a position they have continually reinforced
I am fleeing the Church because I will literally be dammed if I worship the GREAT PENIS IN THE SKY TO WHICH YOU MUST SACRIFICE CHILDREN!
@billy …..
If that is truly your view.... then you are part of the problem .
And you should be thoroughly ashamed of your self. You are complicit in those crimes.... you are an enabler of pervert priests .. you are a supporter of child stealing nuns.... not to mention the swine that buried nearly 500 new born babies in a cesspit in an Irish convent home.... that makes you an accomplice . a collaborator , an abetter.
You should look at yourself in the mirror and decide if you wish to join the civilised world …… if not then perhaps its time to re apply to join the human race,..... but to be honest I think you'll fail the entrance exam.
EDIT to correct the number of babies buried at Tuam from 500 to actual figure of 800.
@ Billy
The Royal Commission into sexual abuse found that more than 20% of Catholic priests believed that sexual acts with a pre- pubescent boy did not break the vow of celibacy.
Go figure.
Then read this and tell me your church is not rotten with corruption.
https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/final-report
The real problem is with the dumb parents who keep pimping their kids off to the perverts. They are either stupid beyond belief or else they are doing it in hopes of getting a big payoff.
Please old man shouts don`t insinuate that the whole church is corrupt. it is not there are problems but nothing that can`t be resolved by addressing this problem. there have been councils on this in Rome and through the dioceses across the globe. This is a dificult problem in the church. but not one that we can not solve.My church is a holy church because jesus is it`s leader and it states that he knew no sin. he is the leader of the church.mother church will go through a time of purging but then come out refined.
billy zarcone,
"Please old man shouts don`t insinuate that the whole church is corrupt."
Of course the whole church is rotten to the core. According to the biblical fairy tale when man ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil he then knew as much as Jealous did about those issues. Don't you think that it is evil for a pervert priest to sexually abuse a child? If you do then why would you make excuses for his behavor instead of kicking his ass out of the church? The fact that people continue to cover up for church leaders who they know do evil makes them evil as well. So as a supposedly good person why would you continue to associate with such sons of hell?
@billy zarcone: don`t insinuate that the whole church is corrupt.
Well the whole crumbling, rotten edifice is built on the biggest lie in history. Priests peddle promises of forgiveness and eternal bliss in exchange for access to children, altar wine, and money. The church runs lucrative fake miracle businesses at places like Lourdes. The Vatican Bank has been up to its dirty neck in massive financial scandals for decades, probably resulting in the elimination of Pope John Paul I and the hanging murder of a bank official in London.
And the church still makes buckets of money by charging tourists to view medieval cathedrals that were built by exploiting workers and selling indulgences. Places like Notre Dame, Amiens, and Chartres are medieval crime scenes.
Billy:
No the Whole Church isn't corrupt, just most of it. The vatican allowed all those children and mentally disabled to be raped because of their firm belief in the divinity of their extra special, ontologically endowed penises - a doctrine they have proudly and meticulously documented in CANON LAW.
The vatican ‘legalized’ pedophilia 100 years ago. I found the documented evidence. The Australian canon lawyers published two documents. The first is a legal report entitled “Canon Law – A Systemic Factor in Child Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church.” (free download from National Catholic Reporter) written for the Australian government. The second is the lay version “Potiphar’s Wife.” (buy on line for real money) . I verified the information with a friend of the author and the legal firm from the movie Spotlight. A third is “Child Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church; An Interpretive Review of the Literature and Public Inquiry Report” another free download through the Center for Global Research; School of Global, Urban and Social Studies, RMIT
https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/university-report-lifts-li... & mansplaingod.me
See also "Men Explain Religion to Me"
The mantra in the Catholic Church is that the priest represents Christ - So the vatican vision of Christ is a deranged predator of children holy only because it is male.They are not ashamed of raping children, they are PROUD of it.
Carrying my sign around Baltimore "I do NOT want creatures who prefer pedophiles to women on the same planet as my children.", I got only the standard lecture on the sanctity of their penises from the priest on the porch of the Basilica.
@billy zarcone
Your leader is dead. As you guys like to tell it, died twice. What kind of organization is lead by a dead person? Perhaps one that has frightining high percentages of pedophillia in it's ranks?
You guys think you can solve it? You guys have had ~2000 years to solve it, still a problem, the church SUCKS (pun intended?) at solving this problem. The church sucks at the problem probably in large part due to them thinking their god/jesus will solve it for them after they die..
Also you do realize the very best con artist are the ones that firmly believe their own con right?
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@ Billy
This corruption has been endemic and documented for centuries. The Roman Church is a pustule on humanity from killing babies in Ireland, to the Bishops in Chile, the cover ups in the U.S only now coming to light because of the bravery of a few people. Organised cover ups that go right to the Vatican,
Corruption is the church. You have lost your sense of smell.
Well I once had an experience with a priest who took an interest in me. But I didn`t harbor any bad feelings of him. he eventually left the country and went back to the middle east.Please don`t use isolated incidents to make it look like this is prevalent throughout the globe. thesr are isolated incidents and should be treated as so. As for post here on atheist republic that i condone the behavior of such clergy is wrong. I believe that they should have a fair evaluation of the facts and charges against them presented and then if then and only if they are found guilty should they be removed from the active register of clergy.
OK ... lets look at your points shall we ?
You write ,"But I didn`t harbor any bad feelings of him. he eventually left the country and went back to the middle east."
And there it is ..... your admission to culpability..... because you said nothing this creature was allowed to escape ...how many more did he go on to abuse ?
Because you chose to say/do nothing..... you enabled his further offences....that makes you an accomplice.
BUT you go on.... ,"Please don`t use isolated incidents to make it look like this is prevalent throughout the globe."
OK ,but the merest glimpse on line reveals Catholic clergy of varying stripes being exposed in.....
Australia
Argentina
Austria
Belgium
Canada
Chile
Dominican Republic
Germany
Guam
Honduras
India
Ireland
New Zealand
Norway
Poland
Spain
United States
So , perhaps not quite the whole globe ... but a good proportion of it.
Your line ,"thesr are isolated incidents and should be treated as so." just illustrates your willfull ignorance on this matter.... another demonstration of your complicity.
"As for post here on atheist republic that i condone the behavior of such clergy is wrong. "
But it isn't wrong is it ?
"I believe that they should have a fair evaluation of the facts and charges against them presented and then if then and only if they are found guilty should they be removed from the active register of clergy."
"fair evaluation "...? by whom ?
You never once say these deviants should be handed over to the police .... Such arrogance..... your church still after all these centuries trying to place itself above the law.
And "removed from the clergy"..... ??
If found guilty they should be locked up. You sir are nothing but an appologist for the criminal element within the Catholic Church . You need to own your own complicity , your own guilt.
Edit …. to add New Zealand
@Watchman: OK ,but the merest glimpse on line reveals Catholic clergy of varying stripes being exposed in.....
Please add New Zealand to that list.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/367987/abuse-victims-say-priests...
Done.
Dear watchman i am truly sorry for any misunderstanding and the way you construed my replys concerning the catholic priest and nuns. Well if any priest did violate anyone at all then they should face the consequences; further i will and you`ll never see in any of my post that i write here a condoning of bad behavior..
@ Billy
Its not a question of 'IF" Billy, the culture of abuse is so deeply ingrained in the church that even the church itself has ceased using the "tiny minority", the "hierarchy were unaware" defense. Priests were, as in your case, switched from parish to parish, country to country, defended and protected. The victims reviled, persecuted and called liars, thousands of cases, thousands of victims all over the world...and yet you still say "IF"?
Have you and apologists like you learned nothing? The church you love, Billy, has lost over 30% of its members in only one year and declining fast. Rightfully so because it is a criminal organisation from top to toe.
@BZ ….
No , you are not truly sorry …… and there has been no "misunderstanding" ….. You just do not believe that your priests and nuns could behave in such a depraved way..... so you shut your mind to the possibility.....
Look at your last post..... "if any priest did violate anyone"..... What the hell do you mean "if"..... bloody "IF"..... its fact ….
and what do you mean by "a condoning of bad behavior.."
"Bad Behaviour"..... ? these were no minor social "faux pas" ,they were not farting in the sacristy.
these poor sods were used ,abused and betrayed by those to whom they gave their trust. in the most vile ways.
"Belfast Crown Court heard that the boy was distraught over the possibility of his dead grandfather being trapped in purgatory, but that 55-year-old Donaghy told him that, in exchange for sex, he could get his granddad’s soul into heaven.
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The defendant said that this was to get his grandfather into heaven and that if he told anyone it would not work."
or
"At least 10 teenage boys or young men under the age of 21 were surgically castrated "to get rid of homosexuality" while in the care of the Dutch Roman Catholic Church in the 1950s. "
"Evidence of the castrations has emerged amid controversy that it was not included in the findings of an official investigation into sexual abuse within the church last year.
The NRC Handelsblad newspaper identified Henk Heithuis who was castrated in 1956, while a minor, after reporting priests to the police for abusing him in a Catholic boarding home. "
Check out the posts of Mrs.Paul Owczarek …. she like you is catholic... but unlike you she sees the abominations …. unlike you she is outraged by them and unlike you she got on her feet and fights against them.
Like I said before....You really need to take a look at yourself.
Dear Watchman; What else can i say about this topic, How can you think that your reading my heart correctly? I said it was an abomination, terrible in gods sight, I`m only one person 63 years of age male i don`t have many friends i have NO FAMILY i live by myself no pets.i`m already at a disadvantage here i can`t make any trouble of any kind with anybody and that means the church included. Those parishoners are the only people that i come in contact with. Also i am under psychiatric doctors care for years.I Only have a few enjoyments if whats left in this life.Pleae understand.
@BZ ….
" How can you think that your reading my heart correctly?"
I don't think I'm reading your heart ……
I think I'm reading your posts.....
the ideas that you decided to submit to an atheist website in defence of what you see as your church.....
Your age and circumstances are irrelevant …..
I'm 68 years old ,a life long atheist and I've never walked away from a confrontation that I've considered to be "just" in my life …. win ,loose or draw ..
Now I'm not going to tell you what you should do ….. that is up to you ….. after all it is your church...… if you can live with it the way it is .. that is your choice..... but don't try to deflect criticism of the church on the grounds that you feel you need the institution....
a great many of those abused also felt they needed the church ….
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