Christian Family Band Arrested!

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Christian Family Band Arrested!

Can you believe it? Do as Christians preach, not as they do. A violent brawl that left at least one person dead over the weekend:

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Nyarlathotep's picture
So funny when those who claim

So funny when those who claim to live by the code of a holy supernatural creature, get caught with their britches down.

Ergunnbaxter's picture
Does anything done by those

Does anything done by those with questionable affiliation with a religion's beliefs, automatically reflect on that religion?? For Example: the ole "Hitler was an atheist" argument?

ImFree's picture
Hitler’s involvement with the

Hitler’s involvement with the Church:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party

Hitler and the Popeg) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.

Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)

h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism

Nyarlathotep's picture
nope, but it sure is funny

nope, but it sure is funny

ImFree's picture
Christian Band = Christian

Christian Band = Christian members

Hitler = Catholic Christian (not atheist)

Ergunnbaxter's picture
Hitler hated Christianity...

Hitler hated Christianity... just because his parents infant baptized him doesn't mean a thing...

Ergunnbaxter's picture
If I thought that the

If I thought that the Catholic Church actually represents Christianity I would have a real problem with your history lesson.

ImFree's picture
Considering the estimate of

Considering the estimate of Christian denominations in the world to be 30,000 to 40,000, good luck determining who has the correct interpretation.

Ergunnbaxter's picture
Welp, lucky for me I don't

Welp, lucky for me I don't feel the need to guess... but I wish someone would answer my question. Also, as a side note the VERY GENEROUS number you quoted above does not reflect disagreements between Christian denominations, as a non-denominational Christian (which is also a denomination).. I can tell you that a different denomination just means a different organization (though some do have differences in beliefs -- most of those with a difference in belief do not disagree on the fundamentals outlined in the Bible). Thanks for your time.

ImFree's picture
Your welcome, sorting who has

Your welcome, sorting who has “questionable affiliation with a religion's beliefs” would be a fruitless endeavor. Your all brothers and sisters in Christ I guess, I just find the observations interesting.

Ergunnbaxter's picture
Its a good thing that I was

Its a good thing that I was questioning the use of blanket terms instead of something "fruitless." They represent Christians? Why? because they claim to be a "Christian" band... not only that but the article gives us nothing... No information whatsoever... but I guess that is good enough to lump them in with all Christians amirite?

Ergunnbaxter's picture
Im not here to make any point

Im not here to make any point, but for anyone that does actually care (or is just bored enough to read this)... Christians are human too and we know we are sinners... (thats kind of our thing). To think that its funny when a Christian sins is like laughing at a shit stain for being brown. If you want to know where the bible says "exactly that" I will give you a verse. Saying that this "christian band" represents all Christ-followers is like lumping us in with WestyBooBooChocolateChurch... They aren't Christian because they don't love Christ and that is to say they are not our "sisters or brothers in Christ"....

ImFree's picture
Yes, like the catholic clergy

Yes, like the catholic clergy (to a lesser degree) that molest children but are members of the christian faith, even though their actions are reprehensible. You have to accept the good with the bad.

Ergunnbaxter's picture
If someone has not accepted

If someone has not accepted Jesus as their savior and repented then they are not technically a Christian. I'm still told to pray for them and be a good example to them, but they are still not Christians. This is why I hate religion, like any Christian worth anything does! Most people who are RELIGIOUS are putting on a show... they also don't read their own damn literature. Like Muslim terrorists. Once the Bible was made readable to the more common Europeans, thanks to Martin Luther, they revolted against the catholic church... and it also made it so that Christians don't have any excuse for misquoting or not following their own religious text... yet it still happens... thats what I love about Atheists at least you guys are consistent.

CyberLN's picture
"Once the Bible was made

"Once the Bible was made readable to the more common Europeans, thanks to Martin Luther..."

Are you actually crediting Luther with making the bible readable by common Europeans?

Ergunnbaxter's picture
Aint nuttin but a Protestant

Aint nuttin but a Protestant Reformation thing Babey...

Ergunnbaxter's picture
He started something

He started something beautiful...

Ergunnbaxter's picture
it caught on didn't it?---

it caught on didn't it?--- whether the effect was what he was going for or not.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Yeah, smoking crack sure

Yeah, smoking crack sure caught on too.

Travis Hedglin's picture
Hmm, a boisterous and loud

Hmm, a boisterous and loud Christian did something stupid today, must have been one of those days that end in "y".

ThePragmatic's picture
Funny that you should praise

Funny that you should praise Martin Luther while mentioning Hitler as a bad example of an ateist, as Hitler was inspired by Martin Luther and got much of his anti-semitism from him. Martin Luther was an outspoken anti-semite, and told Protestant Christians that they would be at fault if they didn’t slaughter Jews.
He even wrote at least one book on the subject:
Luther, Martin. On the Jews and Their Lies.
And one of Luther’s biographers, Robert Michael, documented various speeches by Luther.

Here are some excerpts, from an article written by Mmichael Sherlock:

"…the Jews are a base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth.” [17] They are full of the “devil’s faeces …which they wallow in like swine.” [18] The synagogue was a “defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible whore and an evil slut …” [19] He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fi re, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness, [20] afforded no legal protection, [21] and these “poisonous envenomed worms” should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time. [22]"

Ergunnbaxter's picture
Very interesting about Martin

Very interesting about Martin Luther.. I will look into your sauce... I was making a point with the hitler thing... I don't find him to represent atheism just like I don't find the "christian band" or the catholic church to represent christians. In fact, my entire point was that using one person to represent a group is ridiculous. I don't know where I stuttered on this point, or why anyone was disagreeing with me.

ImFree's picture
I don’t coddle Christians.

I don’t coddle Christians. When members of their population go over the line it should be brought to the public’s attention. They have a ridiculous set of beliefs and follow a book full of absurdities, injustice, cruelty, violence, intolerance, contradictions and misogyny. Many of us witness Christian hypocrisy on an individual level daily, which is not news worthy. They should be held accountable for their actions from the bottom up and the top down. In this case, a band that plays for and influences groups of people should be held to a higher standard of conduct. The battle against religion should be fought at all levels. Christians always use the lame excuse of disowning members that mess up by claiming they “aren’t true Christians”. That may be a convenient way of avoiding responsibility for your group’s transgressions but so be it. If you feel uncomfortable when your “brothers and sisters in Christ” indulge in similar bad behavior as represented by their god in the bible, too bad.

ImFree's picture
"In fact, my entire point was

"In fact, my entire point was that using one person to represent a group is ridiculous. "

Their called leaders and they influence crowds, to deny that is ridiculous. Leaders such as Jimmy Swaggart. How many prostitutes does he have to be caught with before he is removed from being a role model? Ted Haggart another hypocrite that thinks he is a model to aspire to. How about Peter Popoff? Even after his is exposed for the charlatan he is he keeps scamming people in poor health of their resources. Their money should be used for medicine and doctors. The list goes on but I'll stop here for now. Your the one being ridiculous because like many of your brothers and sisters in christ your in denial. You don't want the truth, you want to ignore it!

Don’t miss my post: Wife-Swapping for Jesus! Christian-Swingers set up web site! One thing I can say about these Christian couples as representatives of their faith is they are honest. Dr. Darrell Ray was conducting a seminar in a church on sex and religion and asked how many members had masturbated. Not one church member raised their hand. Do you think someone in the audience was not being honest?

Ergunnbaxter's picture
@ the Pragmatic... I wanted

@ the Pragmatic... I wanted to thank you. I looked into what Martin Luther said about the Jews in several different sources. I had read some of his other writing and hadn't even noticed that I was idolizing him in a way. He is a sinner just like all of us, but somehow I had made him out to be something more, in my mind. Anyway, thanks again for knocking him off of the little pedestal I had him on.

@ ImFree... you don't know enough about me to say I'm in denial, or make any judgments really, but its all good (maybe you will after this post). There is not really any example you can use to make me think it is good reasoning to say that a person should represent a group. Its like in history textbooks when one person is picked out to represent a movement that has been brewing for years... stupidity. A human can only represent themselves. Here is where you may decide to point out that Christians feel that Jesus represents all Christendom and my answer to that is (something you don't believe) he was not just another human being, but he was Gods son and represents us in a very real way, as a sacrifice for the sin that we do everyday. I can talk about Christianity all day but I don't feel that I truly represent Christians, just like I don't represent former atheists by being a former atheist, or a all humanity simply by being human.

ImFree's picture
“There is not really any

“There is not really any example you can use to make me think it is good reasoning to say that a person should represent a group. Its like in history textbooks when one person is picked out to represent a movement that has been brewing for years... stupidity.”

I agree, without evidence that the character of Jesus in the New Testament even existed much less that he should represent a leader is stupid.

ThePragmatic's picture
You're welcome. There is a

You're welcome. There is a lot of information out there.

Most religious "information" falls apart when you start digging deeper.

ImFree's picture
I agree, thats why I'm a fan

I agree, thats why I'm a fan of Dr. Richard Carrier. He digs reallly deep!

ImFree's picture
Carrier’s book titled: On the

Carrier’s book titled: On the Historicity of Jesus has passed peer review. That is why I consider Carrier a credible source of reference.

I'm not interested in self-published shoddy pseudoscholarship online or elsewhere as credible sources.

Ergunnbaxter's picture
If the numerous (non-biblical

If the numerous (non-biblical) historical accounts that Jesus existed aren't enough for you then I really have nothing more to say to you. If you don't have an answer for my comment you could just say nothing instead of disputing the near unanimity among scholars that Jesus existed historically.


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