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Old Man: What if the person requesting medically assisted suicide is incapable of taking the medications their self. No one is available who agrees to assist? Isn't that a form of discrimination? This is a right, correct?
If there is no one to assist the patients right to self death is subjugated to the right to refuse of the immediate attendants until someone qualified and in agreement is available.
In Victoria it takes the agreement of 3 physicians as well as the administering ancillary staff. Although the number varies that is the same in Netherlands, Switzerland and Belgium. Your right of freedom of conscience is preserved.
OldMan: In the U.S. . there would be discrimination lawsuits.
Some states already have religious discrimination in place even though that is unconstitutional by my reading...I think this is a similar situation.
There would be lawsuits, the Supremem Court would make a decision and Alabama and Texas would immediately pass laws invalidating that decision.
However that is not the point I was asking why people took the stance they do?
Old Man, coercion is my only concern. And if Trump is elected in 2020 I may may be looking for a more reasonable place to live!
I'll put in a good word but you will find experienced nurses get in here whatever! We need you!
We're all already terminal. So to some extent I think wanting to end it any earlier is a sign of a problem. If I knew I was dying tomorrow, why would I want to kill myself today? It seems unnecessary and pointless.
I think a painless death is great. A painless suicide, not so much. If I had a terminal illness, yeah, kill all my sensory nerves with opiods so I don't feel a thing. But that's different from saying I want be euthanized painlessly before my time.
Even if my spinal cord gets severed and I'm a vegetable for the rest of my life, I'd still rather just stay alive. I mean why not? The alternative is boring.
To be honest, the only time I would want to be euthanized is if for some reason I get handed life in prison before I'm 30.
John: In hospice/ palliative care the standard for terminal is a reasonable expectation that one will die within 6 months.
Random observation lol: I thought you were merely sharing a fact or rather adding to my point, not contradicting it necessarily, correct?
I always get 'disagrees' on my posts, which is expected. But I always found it particularly odd when I get 'disagrees,' and then a person that either responds in agreement or restates what I said, gets all the 'agrees.'
I've seen it happen a few times. I think its great for people to disagree with my statements. But when people disagree with my statements because they're coming from me, and then agree with the same statement when said by others, its a strange behavior.
Yours is a mild example, if it even qualifies. But its interesting. I wouldn't even categorize it as biased. Typically bias means you're consistently against a position. There is no consistency when someone is against a position, and then for it later on.
No! This is just a regulatory standard which must be met to qualify for admission to a hospice program!
The strange behavior is your claim that you can tell who clicked agree and disagree on different posts (psychic ability?); when the rest of us can't tell, even with backend access. Do you think ludicrous claims like this increase or decrease the number of disagrees you get?
@Chimp, right, you're just stating a fact, nothing more. That's my point.
@Nyar, well sure it could always be different people. That doesn't really change things though. It could be a single person that disagrees with my statement, and then agrees with the same statement said by others. Or it could be two people, one that disagreed with me, and the other which agreed with someone else.
Its still the same behavior. Assuming a person read both comments, why would they disagree with mine and not the other, and vice versa. Its still selective agreement.
And yes, ironically enough, I think you can guess fairly accurately who are the ones that disagree and agree. You for example, I don't think care much for doing either, at least not on my posts. You tend to just respond if you disagree. Unless the conversation drags on too long, and becomes repetitive, and you simply disagree with my last response, and call it a day. That's my observation.
I also know Sheldon likes to disagree with my posts. You can tell cause a disagree will pop up, and ten seconds later I'll get a long reply from him using fancy adjectives.
That was my intent. State a fact! Nothing more!
Exactly lol. It doesn't merit an agree and mine a disagree, as if you had shut down my argument.
John: I did not issue an agree or disagree.
ludicrous
Lol that's not ludicrous, that's how theories are built. You take the visible observations and induce their unobservable cause. I can even make predictions with mine: Count the number of disagrees my posts currently have, then wait till you see Sheldon responding, and do a recount.
If the number of disagrees do not increase, then you falsified my claim, and can reasonably call it ludicrous.
John, please stick to the original OP, Agrees/disagrees etc you can take onto a topic of your choice.
@John and Nyar Re: Agrees/Disagrees
Alright, alright, alright already!... I confess! You got me! I surrender! It is ME! I did it! I sometimes go through and "randomly" click Agree and Disagree on different posts! It's an obsessive compulsive thing. There! Happy? Feel better, everybody? Now, you gentlemen can feel free to get back to the meat of the discussion. Enjoy.
I must confess too. Sometimes I disagree with own posts to motivate others to disagree. If you see posts of mine that reach 4 or 5 disagrees, you can bet I'm one of them lol.
@John
Oooooo.... Sneaky..... Very clever. "The force is strong with this one." LOL
@John
Okay, now that we have that out of the way, you and Chimp get back at it. I still have popcorn left.
@ Tin, lol,
"You, get me more popcorn, you two, fight to the death"...you're a funny bugger Tin.
Whoops!! Off topic! Well, you heard the man/robot/tonka toy, get back to it.
@Grinseed
Hey, if I had lived during the Roman Empire days I would have held season tickets to the Gladiator Games. LOL
So you want to to choose, why not let others do the same. Palliative care does not always mean someone dies a painless death either, far from it, and living without dignity, in insufferable and incurable pain is something many people find unappealing. If I was in such a situation I'd want to choose the timing and manner of my end, and if I needed help I'd hope there was justice and compassion to allow it. I don't believe in any deity or an afterlife, so it's my decision to make, and no one has the right to force their beliefs onto anyone facing such a situation.
Killing myself is the last thing I'd do.
Hi AB,
You state, "Murdering a person male or female is wrong it is playing god."
Does this mean that you are against the death penalty? After all, this is just "legal" murder.
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