Don't Feed The Trolls

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ronald bertram's picture
Don't Feed The Trolls

Every forum deals with trolls. Who knows what their motives are. The motive doesn't offer any solution.

On the Cattle Forum the trolls were sometimes folks who were opposed to the use of animals as a protein source. Whether it was chickens, pigs, sheep or cattle. I suppose their object is to move the human population to a plant based protein source. In my opinion that is going to happen not because of activist but because of economics.

It's very expensive to raise cattle for meat. To complicate the profitability of raising cattle for meat is competition from countries like Brazil and Argentina where labor is very cheap. Some of the handling practices in these lower tier countries is pretty harsh.

I know a lot of the Users on the cattle forum engaged these trolls. It never looks pretty. You get down in a pen with a pig and pretty soon you look just like the pig does. I ignored them. They thrive on attention. Just saying.

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boomer47's picture
@Bright Raven

@Bright Raven

I agree about not feeding trolls.

However ,this can be hard with the apologists we get here. Their claims are often so absurd that they become Poes, but remain genuine . That's how I saw Joy. I didn't realise she(?) was a troll until after she was banned. Yeah, she got me good.

I'm not bothered too much. It's not a crime to be deceived. Plus I don't want to become so cynical that I suspect every new member until they have proven themselves. EG Right now I still don't know quite what to think of Flatland.

ronald bertram's picture
@cranky47

@cranky47

Yes. Jo took me for a ride on the Merry-go-round. Never again! Well, should never say never. Lol

David Killens's picture
Trolls are pathetic people.

Trolls are pathetic people. They have no life, they do not have enough brains to assemble an argument. What I watch out for is not to devote much time to trolls. I have seen one troll make one line of comment, and twenty people devote many lines in response. The ratio of response versus question is absurd.

So I usually keep my responses towards trolls terse.

Additionally, I attempt to refrain from engaging in mud-slinging, because the troll has dragged you down to their level and are hopeful in beating you to death with their overpowering stupidity.

Sheldon's picture
IMHO you should Ignore trolls

IMHO you should Ignore trolls only if they bother you, if they don't then engage with them if it suits. Either way, I refuse to worry or stress about how I should act, or what I should say, based on the behaviour of people who derive some sad satisfaction from searching out places on the internet where they can try to be as annoying as possible.

If a deity exists it is no more evidenced than mermaids or unicorns, let theists explain some objective reason why I should treat those concepts any differently. Please note that I only ask this of theists who have come to an atheist forum to seek me out, and unlike those theists who get angry aggressive and sulk on here, when we dare voice our disbelief on this atheist forum, I don't seek them or their ilk out, in order to tell them their beliefs are no more valid than beliefs in a flat earth, or a geocentric universe, both concepts that monotheistic religions championed even in the face of objective scientific fact.

Time for this again so we all understand why as an atheist i oppose established religion...

“Many religions now come before us with ingratiating smirks and outspread hands, like an unctuous merchant in a bazaar. They offer consolation and solidarity and uplift, competing as they do in a marketplace. But we have a right to remember how barbarically they behaved when they were strong and were making an offer that people could not refuse.”

Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything

boomer47's picture
@Sheldon

@Sheldon

'"Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything"

Pretty much agree with most of what you wrote. However, not with Chris Hitchens. Have seen him on TV and have a copy of "God is Not Great" (it was a gift) In my opinion the guy was a facile and bigoted polemicist, not a philosopher.

I guess we may need to agree to differ.

Sheldon's picture
@cranky47

@cranky47

Anyone can accuse Hitchens of being all manner of things, but facile? That's absurd to me sorry. He could be strident, and even on occasion show a touch of arrogance, but the idea he ignored the complexities of any issue, or was closed minded to opposing beliefs is demonstrably false, sorry. As you say, we shall have to agree to differ.

Stridently and absolutely not accepting the beliefs and ideas of others, does not make one a bigot. Else I'd be a bigot for not accepting the ideas of racists, and homophobic theists, just for 2 examples.

The only thing we should not tolerate, is intolerance....

ronald bertram's picture
Christopher Hitchens.

Christopher Hitchens. Entertaining. Just a little too much. Maybe that guys like Carl Sagan and Stephen Hawking set a better tone.

LogicFTW's picture
This thread though, along

This thread though, along with its title, for trolls... to put it in beef terms, this is the true Japanese Wagyu, a form of validation for their efforts that they crave. What is better than a response for a troll? An entire thread/title dedicated to them.

And me pointing that out? Possibly dessert.

Cognostic's picture
@Bright(TROLL)Raven: Like

@Bright(TROLL)Raven: Like we aren't paying attention! Are you going to ever participate with something that has content?

ronald bertram's picture
@Cognostic

@Cognostic

I will come up with something that makes you feel secure.

Cognostic's picture
@Bright Raven: "I got a

@Bright Raven: "I got a hundred dollars that says, "You don't." Where in the fuck did you get the idea that you have the ability to make another person feel secure. Your comments are Delusional as well as ignorant. The feeling of security is always my choice. Your delusions, of course, remain yours. Hopefully you will, one day, run away crying. It might be the best thing in the world for you.

ronald bertram's picture
@Cognostic

@Cognostic

Maybe insecurity is not the right word. You are right, I cannot help you. Maybe try a psychiatrist. IDK. Your posts seem to define a person who is easily disturbed.

Tin-Man's picture
@BR Re: To Cog - "Your posts

@BR Re: To Cog - "Your posts seem to define a person who is easily disturbed."

Cog?... Disturbed?... Oh, brother... *rolling eyes*... you don't know the half of it! Just be happy at this point you haven't accidentally busted up into the bathroom with him in there doing his man-scaping ritual... *shudder*... (The fucker NEVER locks the door, and often forgets to put the banana peel on the doorknob.) Oh, and don't even get me started about the whole pig-nose fiasco! I still have nightmares about that. (Although, to be fair, as a professional counselor he has at least been nice enough to charge me only half-price for my therapy sessions. And considering he is the one who actually caused my trauma, he fully understands my problems better than any other therapist possibly could.)

So, anyway, you think Cog is disturbed, huh? Well, I say you have NO IDEA what you are saying. Because "disturbed" is a monumental UNDERSTATEMENT in regards to that mangey, flea-bitten, deranged, poo-flinging, obstinate, toenail-nibbling sorry excuse for a primate. Hell... those two things I mentioned are only the things I can speak of on a public site. The files for the rest of the shit he does has to be kept locked away in a safe in Old Man's office.

So, BR, before you go off slinging around accusations like that, I would suggest you get your facts straight first. Otherwise, you just make yourself look foolish.

Cognostic's picture
@Tin Man: RE: FLEA BITTEN?

@Tin Man: RE: FLEA BITTEN??? FLEA BITTEN??? Oh there you go slinging accusations again. I'll have you know I was freed of fleas just last week and it was one of the most painful rituals I have ever experienced. First they shave half your body down to the skin. Then they dunk the other half in lighter fluid and set it on fire. When the fleas run to the bald side to escape the fire, a pygmy with a fort stabs them. I am scalded on half my body, poked bloody and itching like hell on the other half and you have the frigging balls to call me "Flea Infested." My fees just went up, you get charged full price now! Friggin oily tin-can piece of rusted junk! If you didn't know how to make eggnog you would have no worth at all! That will be $20 please!

Cognostic's picture
@Bright Raven: More

@Bright Raven: More bullshit mind reading from the pasture of blatant ignorance. "Weren't comments like the ones you have made, EXACTLY what your HYPOCRITICAL self was opposed to in this thread. FUCK OFF! You are trolling and we all know it.

Whitefire13's picture
From an observer’s POV - Cog

From an observer’s POV - Cog is a “real person”, not a narcissistic psychopath/sociopath

Whitefire13's picture
”Maybe try a psychiatrist...”

”Maybe try a psychiatrist...”

From someone who unabashedly touts his superiority over his “peers”, one would think he would understand that seeing a psychiatrist is the same as seeing a physician. If someone has depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, etc it is a condition of the brain - just like a heart, digestive or bone...
You have John Nash and Stephen Hawking - examples of two people with health issues, both brilliant.
You can have two people with the same conditions as the above mentioned that are as stupid as fuck.

ronald bertram's picture
@Whitefish

@Whitefish

Well, I will be damned, Waldo. You are brilliant.

Whitefire13's picture
...no more brilliant than

...no more brilliant than anyone else on this forum...

Tin-Man's picture
@Whitefire Re: BR

@Whitefire Re: BR

Hey, if you want to have some fun, just wait for him to fall asleep. Then you can walk up to him and simply tip him over.... *snicker*...

boomer47's picture
@Tin -Man

@Tin -Man

"Hey, if you want to have some fun, just wait for him to fall asleep. Then you can walk up to him and simply tip him over.... *snicker*..."

Perhaps more fun to put his hand in a bowl of warm water.

Watching some young idiot set fire to his farts is also usually entertaining. Pity about the burns.

Tin-Man's picture
@Cranky Re: "Perhaps more

@Cranky Re: "Perhaps more fun to put his hand in a bowl of warm water."

...LMAO... Oh, man! I had forgotten about that one. Classic! Reminds me of an overnight field trip we took in jr. high school one time... LOL... Hmmmm... Do you suppose it would work the same if we were to put a sleeping cow's hoof in warm water?... *chuckle*...

Cognostic's picture
@ Tin and OM: Or you could

@ Tin and OM: Or you could simply put a big hole in his side to see what the fuck he has been eating to get him to post prat like comments in the atheist form. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HWUNjO-Lvo

NewSkeptic's picture
For the first time in my life

For the first time in my life, I'm considering going vegan.

LogicFTW's picture
@NewSkeptic

@NewSkeptic

Why vegan over vegetarian? (Just curious.)

boomer47's picture
@LogicFTW

@LogicFTW

@NewSkeptic

"Why vegan over vegetarian? (Just curious.)"

Me too. Did you know if you go vegan the gut bugs needed to digest meat, die? I DO have dandy recipe for a lentil 'meatloaf', which I make every 5 years or so. MY bake beans have pork, plus molasses and raw sugar. Did also have a lot of dark rum when I was drinking .

I eat meat no more than once a day. Most of the meat I eat is chicken breast fillet @ $7.99 a kg. Even stewing beef is twice that. Forget about rump and sirloin or even topside. I do buy minced beef for hamburgers and pasta . Lamb? $40-$50 for a leg roast . The little loin chops, from $25 a kg.

When I was a gossoon, lamb wast the cheap meat, my mum bought sides of lamb. We had lamb about 4 times a week, and loved it.

Could never become vegetarian because I'm far too fond of anything which comes from a pig.

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**An Oz barbeque means cooking quickly on a hotplate. traditionally, the cheapest sausages, lamb shoudrer chops and topside beef steaks. perhaps some frozen barbeque patties, lotsof white bread and perhaps a couple of salads. Potato with the ghastly mayo made with condensed milk, and a green salad; lettuce tomato, pickled onion gherkin (dill pickles) ---beer by the slab(24 bottles/cans) and cask wine.

Prawns (shrimp) are far too expensive to waste on a barbeque. The America habit of slowly over cooking quite good meat has never caught on here. Ribs, and other rubbish cuts, fair enough.

LogicFTW's picture
I always order the better

I always order the better cuts of meat, as rare as I can and still be safe. But I am not your average american. I have gotten some surprised/disgusted looks ordering steak "rare." Yeah, the 5 dollar steak at a buffet/cafeteria? Yeah I want that well done. (Well I would not want it all really.) But a prime cut at a clean professional kitchen? Give me that practically still "mooing." I cut down on my red meat intake a lot, so when I do indulge, I am going to ENJOY it, not eat an overly carbonized hunk of protein.

Sheldon's picture
NewSkeptic "For the first

NewSkeptic "For the first time in my life, I'm considering going vegan."

I though that was a fictional planet, where Spock came from?

I'll get me coat...

MinutiaeAccreted's picture
I don't see a problem with

I don't see a problem with responding to "trolls." Even given the "mess" that can sometimes result when people get a little derogatory or less than "nice", there are usually cogent, truthful and revealing points being made in counter to the "troll." And any onlookers who may not have seen the particular arguments being deployed (and yes, @Bright Raven - we know you've "seen them all" apparently) can get a good sense of what may be wrong with those arguments, and maybe get a look at what people who have actually contemplated the subject matter have to say about the matter.

Why worry about "Trolls" in the first place? Again - there is very little to differentiate them from actual "whatevers" (in this case, on this site, likely theists) - unless they actually confess their trollhood. Otherwise, they just read and react like actual, deluded theists most times, and so I begin by treating them as if they are being truthful in their idiocy. Why wouldn't I? Once they confess, then sure, ignore them, let them know why you are doing so, and that you aren't going to take them seriously in the future. Until then? Draw the battle lines, square off, and make sure everyone watching knows who has their shit together.

Whitefire13's picture
@NewSkeptic...

@NewSkeptic...
“For the first time in my life, I'm considering going vegan”

You don’t have to! Buy Alberta beef! All natural, pasture raised....mmmmmmmm

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