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Cog...I didn’t go there...he makes things up as he goes along and muddles his words. Lol
Don’t let his (Homer’s) hypocrisy get to you...
He’s like the second illustrious leader if the WTBTS (in one way only, well maybe more)...
Judge Rutherford. “A Judge?!?!” No, not really - he legally changed his first name to Judge so he’d be taken more “seriously”. Sneakily, he, like a parasite clung to the “meaning” of the word without having to work or study to actually have the title and respect the word “Judge” brings.
Eh, our little Hoser, uh, Homer has done the same with the word Christian.
Words attributed to Jesus...
“On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers'" (Matthew 7:21-23)
But maybe Homer has a chance, I mean after all he doesn’t “do” fuck all in “his name” ...
Let's see... I have issues with hell as attributed to the teachings of Jesus and go as far as to even having issue with it even if that proved to be what he said, but because I call myself a Christian, I can't have that issue with that lest I be labeled a hypocrite?
I guess I'm not only going to hell for being a hypocrite too!
@Homer: Obviously you are unfamiliar with the teachings of Jesus.
In Matthew 25, Jesus tells of a time when people will be separated into two groups, one entering into his presence, the other banished to “eternal fire.”
He says it is a place of eternal torment (Luke 16:23), of unquenchable fire (Mark 9:43), where the worm does not die (Mark 9:48), where people will gnash their teeth in anguish and regret (Matt. 13:42), and from which there is no return, even to warn loved ones (Luke 16:19–31). He calls hell a place of “outer darkness” (Matt. 25:30), comparing it to “Gehenna” (Matt. 10:28), (Gehenna: Trash dump outside the city.)
Jesus talks more about hell than he does about Heaven. SORRY YOU MISSED THIS LITTLE BIBLICAL FACT!
Get those banana glasses off, Sir Elton John wants them back.
Now look Cog, you KNOW Homer only likes the bits of the bible he likes (huh?) and the rest he just makes up. So there is no point in pointing out any bad bits , cos that's not the jeesus he knows in his heart, or underpants or...oh never mind I am sure you get my point.
Now listen up, I've cleaned the bathroom, it's free. I suggest you get cleaned up as Madame Lash i.e (whitefire) is bringing her rolling pin over for the BBQ tonight. I've arranged extra lube for TM so he wont miss any.
The sunflowers are on the table for Grinseed and the big box of Depends are for Cranky so DO NOT USE THEM. He nearly lost his pension pass when he leaked on the OBahn last time...oh Algebe sits between Cranky and Me....he has wandering hands and Cranky cant feel them through the depends and I don't mind.
Don't forget to wash ALL your bits....I remember last year...eeeewwwwww. I think we should invite Homer to the next "party" maybe we can extract something more than a homily from him....
@Old man: Sunflower Seeds? *Smiling.... bits of shell sticking out from between my teeth." Oh... I thought they were for..... um.......ahhhh........ PLANTING.* Yea, that's it! I wanted to plant them for Grinseed. He doesn't have hands you know. I also heard he was deaf. So that he would have more sunflower seeds in the future, I planted them all, and next year he will have so many sunflowers that he will never have to buy seeds again... You guys are so lucky I found those seeds. *Hick* I need a glass of water!
Ahhhh, you’re so thoughtful, but really...I like it “dirty” ...in fact, the dirtier the better.
Why do you think I picked Cog?!?!?
@White: *Looking up from my annual mud bath and dropping my copy of Wild Monkey Style.* "Huh?"
Perhaps if you focused less on the superstitious notion of hell as a consequence, and tried to understand what the hypocritical standard of your belief rationally implies? only the glib responses suggest you seem to be missing the real point. FYI atheists generally don't believe in Hell or sin, so your eternal damnation is unlikely to be the reason they are mentioning it.
"But maybe Homer has a chance, I mean after all he doesn’t “do” fuck all in “his name” ..."
Excellent point. One of the great a differences between christian sects;
Some of the protestant sects believe that salvation comes from faith alone.
They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
1 Corinthians 1:21
"For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe."
There are MANY more passages.
Catholics teach that" faith without works is dead"
"4 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."
Of course that's the wonderful thing about the bible. You can find justification for just about anything, especially if you include the Torah
EG Even incest : Lot's daughters, Genesis 19:32: "Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.'"(KJV)
Of course christians today will continue to claim what is wrong today has always been wrong, ignoring biblical contradictions. . Cognitive dissonance is another handy tool used by virtually all believers.
Cranky... yah, there was a “reason” they did their dad - he was afraid to stay in Zoar and his daughters “claimed there were no men in the earth” (lie)
19:30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
19:31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
Continue reading and they get dad drunk and take turns...lol...but not tooo drunk, otherwise “it” won’t work (nice to see they packed booze to live in a cave)... BUT here’s the kicker...
2 Peter 2:7-8 New International Version (NIV)
7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)—
ROTFLMAO!!! Fuckin’hilarious shit - yah, so “righteous” to offer up your daughters to be raped (after all, what else are they good for)... Judges has a similar tale of throwing out the woman to be raped and she dies (he tell her, when he finds her outside the door after a brutal night) “get up, it’s time to leave” -
So he cuts her up into 12 parts and sends a body piece to each tribe so they can “figure out what to do”
...’cause god didn’t “cover this” in his some 600 laws LOL (but watch the cloth and food fuckers)
Nah...not worried about any invisible sky daddy judgement.
@OP by CyberLN
My grandfather died in early 2016. We had to push the funeral back some, it so happened that the funeral occurred the day after Trump essentially won the republican Primary.
I heard a lot of people say "he is in a better place now." about my grandfather. I was inclined to agree that day. Oblivion and final rest is better then eking out a few more uncomfortable years in a retirement home and going through the last 3 years, and now.. well, we all know.
LogicFTW, there is that...
"is--- better then eking out a few more uncomfortable years in a retirement home"
Amen to that.
My dad died in 2006 at 87. He was in care for the last 5 years, was demented and miserable for the last two
I didn't see him fo the last two years. He was demented and very abusive Eg:"Who are you? I don't know you .Fuck off and don't come back!". This from a man I never once heard utter even a mild expletive, like 'shit'. I would go home and cry. So I thought "fuck this,I'm not going again"
He had a lovely funeral. Mum had the archbishop of Adelaide come out of retirement. By that time he was a few sammies short of a picnic. The Requiem Mass got a bit surreal in parts, as he repeated some bits and skipped others. My family knew Leonard Faulkner for 50 years. He was a lovely man.
That sucks you had to go through that with your dad.
It can be scary how much you can lose of a person, even before they are dead.
It is sad though how often the nicest, and all around good people that only want to help everyone they meet, can get swept up in the religion lie.
Re: Logic, information, feelings, etc.
I know smoking is “bad” (yes, lots of scientific medical evidence) ...ups my odds considerably for lots of nasty shit.
I am a “considerate” smoker (loss of freedom to choose where I smoke ‘cause of other people ... sorta like self isolation to protect other people, but whatever - I am now use to the control mechanisms that the government wields over me *sigh*) ...don’t smoke inside my house
I don’t delude myself with “I inhale and I feel better” (although at least there is evidence to back this claim) ... or ignore the scientific data ... or post old commercials of doctors recommending brands... or point to old smokers who are still alive...
So why do I smoke? Cause I like it.
And goddamn it, if I’m going to land up in a hospital ward with lung cancer (or something else) with nurses treating me like shit because I earned my disease, so be it...
Although, come to think of it, there might be a link between smoking and the Coronavirus not liking those filthy lungs...and even though my specialist rejected my link between smoking and Crohn’s (it helps...) and keeps “negotiating with me to quit”...
So, Homer, do you smoke? Do you drink? Do you looovvveeee the sugar/carbs? Do you ever swear? Do you watch porn...or “sexy Netflix” movie scenes where every body part is displayed? I mean, seriously...what is just one of your sinful indulgences?
Proverbs 12:1 The person who loves correction loves knowledge, but anyone who hates a rebuke is stupid.
Hey...this is me!!!!
Proverbs 9:13 Folly is an unruly woman; she is simple and knows nothing.
Edited to add: OR god did create everything, all the plants...so god created tobacco and every other inhale-able out there, maybe, just maybe it’s so I get his spirit in me and the fruits of it! I’m calmer, not so irritated- hey! I just inadvertently gave you some evidence (not for prayer mind you, but for something)
WF13, I was a smoker for over 50 years. Raised in a home with two smokers. So considering the passive smoke, had ‘used’ tobacco all my life. Smoked about two packs a day (120s, not those teaser short ones!). I quit about six years ago. It was getting hard to breathe. I figured out what was coming, COPD, and I really wanted to spend more time with my grandkids. COPD is pretty dismal. It killed my sister a few weeks ago.
C'est la guerre!
My intent is not to preach here...it is actually to agree with you comment that you smoke cigarettes because you like doing so. I really really liked it. Cigarettes, in many ways, were my bff. I miss smoking. To be honest, if I were told I have only a few months to live from some nastiness, I would start smoking again.
Cyber... you’re not preaching - I know it’s stupid I smoke. :)
Edited to add: I’ve also been known to have unprotected sex and chomp down on a Big Mac or two
***gotta do some stupid things to get through this stupid life***
@CyberLN & Whitefire13
Nicotine addiction is rough. I have family members struggle with addiction to alcohol and nicotine. I will never truly understand it, but I understand enough to know it is not easy. If it was a simple matter of will power, the addiction would be broken easily.
I have an addiction to screens/internet. Made worse by my work, I struggle with it, especially with this lock down. And it does not even have any chemical addiction aspects like nicotine.
I see huge majorities of the entire younger generations I come across, hopelessly addicted to internet/screens/social media. Most of them are not even aware just how badly addicted they are.
However, if I knew I had a high likelihood to die in a few months, yeah, I am doing ALL the things I normally cannot/should not do for health reasons. But such a scenario of such robust foresight is unlikely.
Logic... and then there is the other various addictions.... shopping, gambling, sexual, “drama” ... we humans LOVE our crutches!
Shouldn't "the opiate of the masses," religion be in that list?
...most definitely! ...same with any obsessive “belief” (politics goes in there too) which become imbalanced and actioned (extremes ie Heaven’s Gate)
Ahhhh... opium ... brain chemicals feel soooo good... gotta get my fix!
Fair play I have done both myself, but not at the same time.
I jest of course, the missing comma was a funny Freudian slip.
Talking of Freudian slips:
A husband and wife were having dinner, and the husband turned to the wife to ask her to please pass the salt, but accidentally said, you've ruined my life you blood sucking shrew.
Yah, Freudian slip ...
(Fuck you Cog keep your fuckin’ monkey mouth shut)
I started to smoke at age 15. Gave up at age 53. I was smoking 70 a day (did I mention I have OCD?) Hardest thing I ever did.
I think you protest too much. There's no need, I for one will not judge you nor feel superior.
Oh ,you might not die from lung cancer. You probably already have early stage emphysema, and later may contract bladder cancer , or cancer of the jaw. Heart disease almost certainly.
Dying from some disgusting smoking caused disease is a nasty way to die, for the sufferer and those who love him/her.
Last year I watched my best friend in the world slowly die of gastric cancer and it was terrible.He did not. smoke.
Cranky...doing my math - (thanks friend) -
I started at age 30 (21 yrs) about 10 cigs a day. Calculating my odds based on your personal experience... 17 more years to go (puts me at, 69). Now, I smoke less (by 7x) soooo I could at least double the length of time overall (I’d hate to play with the numbers because of my bias) ...
Original Cranky time overall (38 yrs) ... doubled Whitefire time estimate (76 yrs)...I can quit when I’m 106!!!!
I did mental factor that you most likely didn’t smoke 70 a day “out the gate”, I smokes only 3-5 “out the gate” and that’s also why I only doubled the time - you know, to be safe!
Can’t wait to show my doctor!
And now to get Youtube bots to work again (thanks Tin!)... aboot 25 min listening pleasure...
Bill Hicks - Stand up about religion
Bill hicks was great ,a pity he died so long.
My favourite dead comic is George Carlin. Liked Richard Prior until he began taking himself seriously. Hate Eddie Murphy, who I think is a misogynist pig. NO? Watch "RAW"
Favourite living comic ; Louis Black.
F0r the record, I still moan "Oh God!". My girlfriend smacked me when I moaned "Oh Baby" .
CyberLN: "It seems they consider themselves worthy despite many of them saying, "we are all sinners."
Sir... It is Christianity 101 to believe that sinners will go to heaven.
Good grief... Do I really have to lecture you about this?
1. Go read 1 Corinthians 6.9
2. FFS, please don’t lecture me, I find lecture quite distasteful.