I am not an atheist but an agnostic with slight inclination towards believing in a Creator. But I don't believe in the God defined by religions. Religion is just a faulty device of the frauds who have twisted the concept of Creator to quench their greed and keep the ignorant under control.
I can contradict myself by saying that the concept of Creator is faulty per se and it was just a whip of the imposters to tame others.
But I believe in Creator because I can't deny something nor can I fully agree with it without a substantial proof. Cause denying God will be the same as denying extraterrestrials . Maybe God exists and we are searching in the wrong place or in the wrong form. Maybe God is just a compound responsible for initiating The Big Bang Theory from singularity or maybe it is the thing that catalyzed all the chemogeny , biogeny and cognogeny that lead to creation of life.
But I can be wrong or not enlightened enough. But I am scared to believe that this life is all we have because not all of us can achieve what we want. But it can also be true that all of us are not meant to and we are just like another living species and Wallace's statement - " Struggle for existence and survival of the fittest. " applies for each on of us.
I used the word "maybe" many times because I don't know the truth and everything I say is based on Probability and "maybe" this probability is the thing that we don't understand and take it as a curse or a blessing according to our lives and then hold a superpower responsible for what we are and what we could have been even if it was our fault at the first place. But to be true not everything is possible but we shouldn't but scared to test the limit of possibility and existence.
Correct me if I am wrong I am not a religon and I am open to criticism.
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"But I believe in Creator because I can't deny something nor can I fully agree with it without a substantial proof."
Eh?
"Cause denying God will be the same as denying extraterrestrials."
Eh?
This is kind of strange. Disbelief in something is not the same as denying its existence, it is merely withholding belief in it. I don't have substantial proof that there isn't a teapot hidden among the rings of Saturn, so I don't bother denying it, but I also don't believe there is one either. That is a true agnostic position, and believe it or not, an atheistic one as well. You don't have to deny the existence of a god, you just have to not believe in one, that is what makes an atheist. Your choice of believing in some ambiguous "creator" or "god" that actually lacks any divine qualities and is no different from a chemical compound or force is rather telling, it rather seems like grabbing at straws and calling it a god despite knowing that it defies the actual concept of a deity, so what are you really advocating?
Yes I agree with you on the fact that "grabbing at straws and calling it a god" and the thing that I am trying to advocate is that god may not be that divine creature that has been described by the religions but its simply a "straw"(as you say). But it is the religions that has twisted it to that level of divinity.
I am not trying to find a God or 2 Gods but I am just trying to show the fault in "religious" Gods,those which have been twisted into a wrathful creature ready to strike at the slightest blasphemy.I am trying to tell that God may not be a creature at all.
"Yes I agree with you on the fact that "grabbing at straws and calling it a god" and the thing that I am trying to advocate is that god may not be that divine creature that has been described by the religions but its simply a "straw"(as you say). But it is the religions that has twisted it to that level of divinity.
I am not trying to find a God or 2 Gods but I am just trying to show the fault in "religious" Gods,those which have been twisted into a wrathful creature ready to strike at the slightest blasphemy.I am trying to tell that God may not be a creature at all."
I understood that fully, but the problem here is, why call it god? If it isn't conscious, isn't an entity of any kind, and isn't anything but the same naturalistic forces that drive physics; why call it a god? I have, and will contend that I think the universe did most probably have some sort of cause, but why add baggage we can't even begin to justify? Why set up this factor or force as something to be worshiped or deified? Why bother with any of that? I could call a spoon "god" just as easily, but that wouldn't make any sense, as gods are almost universally defined as entities of some sort.
Nah, I am good not adding that baggage, it does nothing to clarify the situation. In fact, it makes it muddier, mislabeling the entirety of the field of theoretical pre-big bang physics as a religion when it certainly isn't one.
I am not telling anyone to worship anything in fact I pointed out that I am against divinity. I am just saying that we term anything God given that they helped us in some way. I am against God from a traditional point of view but I acknowledge a creator.
As the timeline of human history goes , humans have worshipped everything from fire to eclipse till the understood the science behind it. So we know the origination from singularity but the cause of the universe must not include them, they are not available to us. It must come from outside our experience.In this realm, the solution, whatever it is, will seem very strange to us, and it will almost certainly make no sense to our brains because here, it is possible to have an event with no cause.For us there is no time,before the Big Bang but after it our time begins, there simply is no cause and effect and here comes the role of creator(which no one needs to worship) . But you can certainly ask where the creator came from but for time being lets solve the existence of our creator only.
P.s. And in the thread I should have used the word Creator instead of god.It muddled up the whole situation.
"I am not telling anyone to worship anything in fact I pointed out that I am against divinity."
Then I am even more confused. Why would you use terms that carry a metric ton of religious baggage?
"I am just saying that we term anything God given that they helped us in some way."
Like I said, spoon-gods, they are everywhere!
"I am against God from a traditional point of view but I acknowledge a creator."
Which is another term that carries an almost equal amount of religious baggage. It implies an entity with will and intent, not a simple process or object, so why use that term?
"As the timeline of human history goes , humans have worshipped everything from fire to eclipse till the understood the science behind it."
Yes, and atheists do not deny the existence of either fires or eclipses, they merely don't deify them or treat them as objects of worship.
"So we know the origination from singularity but the cause of the universe must not include them, they are not available to us."
That doesn't necessitate that we treat it differently, the cause of the universe might not be all that fundamentally different to natural processes and objects, so why should we consider it special?
"It must come from outside our experience.In this realm, the solution, whatever it is, will seem very strange to us, and it will almost certainly make no sense to our brains because here, it is possible to have an event with no cause."
We don't actually know that. We don't actually know anything at all about states and conditions beyond our own observable universe. That still doesn't mean that we should treat it as a "god" or "creator" any more than we should our parents.
"For us there is no time,before the Big Bang but after it our time begins, there simply is no cause and effect and here comes the role of creator(which no one needs to worship)."
There actually could be time outside of our observable universe, we only know how time in the universe works, we know nothing about what is or could be outside of it.
"But you can certainly ask where the creator came from but for time being lets solve the existence of our creator only."
Ok, our "creator" was our parents, problem solved.
"P.s. And in the thread I should have used the word Creator instead of god.It muddled up the whole situation."
"Creator" or "god", you are using words with tons of metaphysical baggage we can't even begin to justify, so why use them? I realize your "creator" isn't much different from saying origin, and that YOU don't mean to imply anything beyond that, but the word itself has been used since its inception for another baggage-laden concept you should want to divorce yourself from. Just use origin, or cause, or another word that doesn't have a ton of baggage that will confuse any reader.
Also, since you do not appear to believe in a god, you appear to be an atheist whether you realize it or not. You might reject the label, but that doesn't matter...
Matrix2897 - "But I believe in Creator because I can't deny something nor can I fully agree with it without a substantial proof."
That seems reasonable, but if we go a little further down the street I think this will lead to trouble:
I don't have a substantial proof there isn't 2 gods, so I'll assume you will be believing that as well.
Also: I don't have a substantial proof there isn't 3 gods, so you will need to believe that too (rinse repeat).
So now we have reached a condition where you must believe there is 1 god, you must also believe there is 2 gods, you must believe there are 3 gods... that is a huge number of contradictions.
I said creator and not god and if you read my previous comment you'll see that I don't regard God as a creature at all,
well then scratch out the word god and replace it with the word creator. same conclusion
The key idea here is not god or a creator, the problem is fear.
Fear of the unknown is a learned response. Fear of a lack of an afterlife is an indoctrinated response.
You say that you're agnostic with a leaning towards belief in a creator that you are trying to rationalize into your model of how things should be.
Try to get your head around the concept of "I don't know" rather than trying to make up things to make your world work.
Get educated in those things that fall into the "I don't know" category and your doubt will go away.