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Sirkenstien's picture
explain to me the goodness of

explain to me the goodness of god again. It'll be a tall order for you to convince. I am a better father than god on every level.

jonthecatholic's picture
Simply explaining the concept

Simply explaining the concept. It may be a concept you disagree with. But at least you understand the concept. :)

I realize that trying to convince an atheist is useless on my part. The only reason I go on here is to hopefully correct some misconceptions about Christianity. If you're a better father than God, then I think you and I may be reading different Bibles.

Sirkenstien's picture
Nope, same one. god is a

Nope, same one. god is a deadbeat dad. Doesn't pay child support and parentally alienates himself from his kids. Did you know that countries with the highest concentration of christians have higher death rates among their children than nations that are less religious? And by pretty significant margins. Should be the other way

jonthecatholic's picture
If you weren't Catholic, we

If you weren't Catholic, we're literally were reading different Bibles. But that's beside the point. Apparently you're talking about things in the world today. Allow me to take a stab at this.

Coming from one of the countries with higher concentration of Christians, like South America or the Philippines (my home), higher death rates among children aren't caused by belief or non-belief in God. It's caused by poverty. Also, I don't believe your claim. I could even go the other route and claim that secular states have higher death rates with their children especially in states where the parents are killing their children. This statistic is probably left out as abortions aren't considered in your study.

Sirkenstien's picture
Speaking of abortions. Did

Speaking of abortions. Did you know that your heaven will be populated with embryos, fetus's and toddlers who never had a chance to choose god on their own at a ratio of 99 to 1 person like you. Seems god doesn't mind moral automatons all that bad.

jonthecatholic's picture
I actually don't get your

I actually don't get your logic at all.

"...who never had a chance to choose god on their own..." - How do you know they aren't given a choice upon their death to accept or reject God's free gift of eternal life?

Sirkenstien's picture
Haha, I can see it now. Hey

Haha, I can see it now. Hey there embryo, I'm Jesus. On the left we have eternal hellfire and suffering, on the right we have me. What say you fetus? Lol

Flamenca's picture
(in) South America or the

(in) South America or the Philippines (my home), higher death rates among children aren't caused by belief or non-belief in God. It's caused by poverty. @JoC.

And poverty is caused by many reasons, I'd say the most important would be overpopulation, thus lack of resources, and inequality in the distribution of those resources. We may agree the two examples you gave (South America and the Philippines) are precisely two great examples of the aforesaid (overpopulation and inequality).

But RCC anti-contraception agenda (and other major cults') is not precisely helping to solve overpopulation, or inequality in very poor countries, but on the contrary, where they need that, and the world, as a whole, also desperately needs.

For me, the freedom to choose (contraception or abortion) it's a necessity in poor countries and a matter of Human Rights, especially for women everywhere; and it'll become a question of survival of the species if population keeps growing fast. So, please, don't say poverty as it has nothing to do with the kinds of politics RCC elite has been promoting for decades.

jonthecatholic's picture
I'd actually say inequality

I'd actually say inequality in the distribution of resources is the only issue we agree on. Overpopulation, in my opinion is not the main problem of my country (Philippines). We actually have a lot of land that isn't populated. But if you look at the major cities, they are over populated. The Philippines actually needs to decentralize as everything goes through Manila now. Hardly a population issue.

algebe's picture
@JoC: "The Philippines

@JoC: "The Philippines actually needs to decentralize as everything goes through Manila now."

That takes infrastructure, especially road and rail links and telecoms. It's no good building houses, factories and business centers in rural areas if they can't move products to market or communicate with offices in other countries.

During the Marcos era, billions of foreign aid dollars intended for infrastructure improvement were skimmed off by Marcos and his cronies. I don't know whether that still happens, but massive corruption during the Marcos era has certainly held your country back significantly. The rule of law is also vital to prosperity, but now you have a president who believes in summary extra-judicial execution (a.k.a. murder).

Has the Catholic church spoken out about these problems?

jonthecatholic's picture
Actually, they're the most

Actually, they're the most vocal of all the current President's critics. Many of the president's supporters are actually hating on the Church leaders for their very vocal stance against the President's actions. That's all I'll say on this as I still stand by him as the best choice among our candidates in the last election.

What you may call extra-judicial execution is most of the time a case of the police firing back at criminals who fire at them or (in my opinion, this is even more) the corrupt police officers killing off ex-drug addicts who might rat on them.

biggus dickus's picture
Okay then. Do you lean toward

Okay then. Do you lean toward Protestantism or Catholicism?

Randomhero1982's picture
That's a whole big list of

That's a whole big list of things from following god... when does the buggering alter boys come in to it?

Cognostic's picture
Yes!! Believe in JESUS and

Yes!! Believe in JESUS and you will be a more loving person..... Well, except for a few...

Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen 19:24). 10:14-15


Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21

Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24

"He that is not with me is against me." 12:30

Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11

Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned. 16:16

Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not "receiving" his disciples. 10:10-15

Jesus says, "He that is not with me is against me." 11:23

God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47

The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36

If you don't believe in Jesus, you will "die in your sins" (and then go to hell). 8:24

If you don't believe in Jesus you are going to hell. 12:48

Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6


Thinker's picture
Devout Christian you are an

Devout Christian you are an idiot, why do you think that as long as these people have been thinking about Christianity, that you are going to come in here and write some Christian babble that hasn't a note of originality to it ,and, convert these peoples thinking? I will write this and then totally ignore anymore of your writing as I hope the rest of this forums participants do

Jared Alesi's picture
An yes, you'll be more loving

An yes, you'll be more loving as you stone gays to death.

Chica__2009's picture
Thanks:) It's really a

Thanks:) It's really a wonderful thing what and who you're grateful for. Just one thing I'd like to point out to you is that you used the word "you" a lot and never really mentioned about Jesus. I'm glad I stumbled across this website through Twitter and it's so cool that this is an atheist website that welcomes non-atheists as well.

Pascal's picture
If God revealed himself, how

If God revealed himself, how would there be freewill? How would we, minuscule to such a God, not take to the knee?

I'm not trolling -- just having an antifaith crisis and this dumb question keeps popping in my head.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Revealed or unrevealed: if

Revealed or unrevealed: if god existed (the god most of the theist talk about anyway) it would already be a contradiction with the notion of freewill. Not sure if that is helpful to your crisis.

Pascal's picture
I agree with 'the god most of

I agree with 'the god most of the theist talk about', but they can get awfully pious. The scripture itself, i'm not so sure.

It's probably just a dumb exercise in rationalizing what doesn't add up. I always miss my religion during the holidays. It was much more cozy.

If I were talking about the simulation, the same argument goes that any proof you found to demonstrate it's not a simulation, is likely to be part of the simulation's desired deception.


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