The Hijab Paradox

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The Hijab Paradox

If men protect women by encouraging them to wear hijab maybe because:

1) it protects them from lustful eyes of men
2) it saves you from rape
3) it is recommended by the prophet (yes, it is recommended)
4) it is a ruling in islam (yes, it is, some parents force hijab ruling on their daughters from the age when they can start walking on their own)

So, can we say that women should protect men, their husbands, by encouraging them to wear hijab because:

1) it will protect them from lustful eyes of women
2) it will save men from being raped (if you think men cannot be raped, why not?)
3) it will protect boys from the dirty intentions of dirty women who may like to have sex with young teenagers (assuming that these dirty women are among us, walking on the streets, just like in the initial case we assumed there are men on the street with lustful and dirty intentions)


It's my challenge to anyone who supports hijab here. Come and justify these points:

1) Hijab is useful
2) Hijab prevents rape
3) Hijab prevents vision from lustful eyes of dirty men

And, try to counter these points:

1) Hijab is NOT a ruling of Islam
2) Hijab is optional
3) Girls have complete freedom in deciding whether they want to wear hijab or not

And, well, in case you are unaware of one of the biggest cons of wearing hijab, did you know that girls are vulnerable to:

1) Chronical vitamin D deficiency (prolonged usage of hijab prevents UV light exposure, any girl, young or old, can become a victim)
2) Rickets (very young girls, of primary grades mostly)

And, just in case, if you are going to tell me that hijab prevents skin cancer, I'm going to tell you it's BULLSHIT unless you gave me some scientific research papers which have been published, are agreed upon by the majority, and clearly state that hijab can do what you are claiming.




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Randomhero1982's picture
I'm pro anything that'll make

I'm pro anything that'll make some look like a ninja.

Seek3R's picture
Damn, I didn't think of hijab

Damn, I didn't think of hijab from a ninja perspective.

Sheldon's picture
I have tried and tried to be

I have tried and tried to be open minded on this issue, but ultimately it is impossible to ignore that the hijab is for so many women and girls not a choice they are being offered.

I will admit that when I see anyone in a Burqa, I get the same "sinking of the heart" as when I see a pile of burning books.

No good can come of it.

Seek3R's picture
It's good at making someone

It's good at making someone all black and hiding the magnificent beauty that nature has given them.


toto974's picture
I think men should wear hijab

I think men should wear hijab with a mask so that we could all walk as if we were Darth Vader, Lord of the Sith, Chosen One of the Prophecy... Anyway... On this subject , i am more willing to invest with people I already know, because it such a minefield it makes my head hurts.

LogicFTW's picture
I doubt you are going to get

I doubt you are going to get much response from folks that actually think Hijab's for women are required. Additionally many of these men only want it for the women in their family/culture. These men (out of necessity mostly) do not require it of any women outside of their culture.

All your points are very valid. I doubt anyone could successfully counter your points.

I agree with calling BS on Hijab's preventing skin cancer. The full black cloak, maybe possibly, but as you pointed out, it causes a whole host of other problems if worn constantly whenever these women are actually out in the sun.

As for rape, I think it would be pretty easy to compare data of prevalence of rape in countries where Hijab is worn by almost all women in public, compared to countries where this is not true. My guess is there is not much of a difference at all. Or if anything rape incidents are higher in countries where Hijabs are popular. Does anyone have this data, or is anyone else interested in those numbers (I may then take the time to try and research this some.)

An interesting to me side conversation to this is:

The whole: "free the nipple" movement in many western cultures.

Should women get in trouble for going topless? Especially if they are nursing? Is it fair that men have generally much more freedom to go topless then women?



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algebe's picture
Women should be free to wear

Women should be free to wear (or not wear) whatever they want without fear of violence from men. What kind of religion/culture is Islam when its male adherents are so lacking in self-control that women have to walk around in black tents to avoid provoking them?

CyberLN's picture
Why, if this clothing is

Why, if this clothing is supposed to protect women from rape, does rape still happen in countries with this dress code?

Possibly's picture


It's not worn for protection against rape

CyberLN's picture
According to whom?

According to whom?

boomer47's picture
TheQuran does not mandate

TheQuran does not mandate wearing Hajib, Burqa or Niqab . ( ther are more) From memory, reference is made to 'womens' modesty

Those coverings are semitic tribal customs predating Islam by centuries. They are essentially a method of the control of women .So too with the vile practice of female circumcision.

, In traditional societies women were considered chattel. Still the case in some Islamic societies .EG most obviously in the Absolute monarchy of Saudi Arabia in which the poor and women practice Wabbi Islam . --members of the huge royal a family are exempt from anything inconvenient .

It's not uncommon to see or hear of Muslim women defending the hijab or even niqab. All I can think of is how Marx claimed oppressed people often contribute to their own oppression.

It has also occurred to me just how denigrating of men is the notion that we are unable to control our lust----- not to mention that as a principle, rape has nothing to do with lust ; it's about personal power. On second thought, I guess the attitude is understandable in a society in which men oppress and controls women.

Quick comment ;

A recent post claiming that if people practised Islam properly they would be engaged in violent jihad is a no true Scotsman fallacy and arrant nonsense.

'Jihad 'means simply 'struggle' and refers mainly to the struggle of daily life, but can include violent struggle .

Muslims engaged in violent jihad against innocents , especially in the form of suicide bombers are to Islam as the Ku Klux Klan is to Christianity-----BUT, each are true believers of their religion ,taken to tragic extremes.

I have lived in a Muslim country , read the Quran and studied aspects of Islam at University, as well having many Muslim neighbours. In my experience, the Muslims I've known are not even very devout. They do not pray five times a day, and the women wear no head or other coverings. They want the same as most Aussies; a safe ,peaceful place to raise their children, a future . That's it.

OF COURSE others may have had different experience than I. EG guys who fought in say Iraq and/or Afghanistan. Nor will I arrogantly claim I'm right and they are wrong. I think this one of those things about which there are perhaps many truths.

Cognostic's picture
@ Hajib is not a ruling of

@ Hajib is not a ruling of Islam: It took a whole 10 minutes.
A hijab (/hɪˈʒɑːb, hɪˈʒæb, ˈhɪʒ.æb, hɛˈʒɑːb/;[1][2][3][4] Arabic: حجاب‎ ḥijāb, pronounced [ħɪˈʒaːb] or Egyptian Arabic: [ħeˈɡæːb]) in common English usage is a veil worn by some Muslim women in the presence of any male outside of their immediate family, which usually covers the head and chest. The term can refer to any head, face, or body covering worn by Muslim women that conforms to Islamic standards of modesty.

In its traditional form, it is worn by women to maintain modesty and privacy from unrelated males. According to the Encyclopedia of Islam and Muslim World, modesty in the Quran concerns both men's and women's "gaze, gait, garments, and genitalia."[10] The Qur'an instructs Muslim women to dress modestly.[11] "SOME ISLAMIC LEGAL SYSTEMS DEFINE THIS TYUPE OF MODEST CLOTHING AS COVERING EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE FACE, HANDS UP TO THE WRISTS, AND FEET.[12] These guidelines are found in texts of hadith and fiqh developed after the revelation of the Qur'an but, according to some, are derived from the verses (ayahs) referencing hijab in the Qur'an.[10] SOME BELIEVE THAT THE QUARAN ITSELF DOES NOT MANDATE THAT A WOMAN WEAR A HAJIB. (THAT MAKES YOU A MINORITY!!! IN THIS BELIEF.)

In recent times, wearing hijab in public has been required by law in Saudi Arabia (for Muslims), Iran and the Indonesian province of Aceh. Other countries, both in Europe and in the Muslim world, have passed laws banning some or all types of hijab in public or in certain types of locales. Women in different parts of the world have also experienced unofficial pressure to wear or not wear hijab.


I went back to the OP for #2 and realized I has shot that one to shit as well. Wearing the hajib is ISLAMIC LAW.

Morality Police Target Women in Indonesia

A Loose hajib will get you beaten in Iran

Don't wear makeup of miss a prayer in Saudi Arabia, Religious police will get you.

Point two completely debunked along with point 1. ISLAM THE RELIGION OF BULLSHIT.


If the women have complete freedom as to wear or not wear a hajib, why are they protesting?

Fleeing in Terror's picture
It also protects the men by

It also protects the men by making the women the targets of the anti-Islam bigots. They are safely camouflaged in normal street wear.

Possibly's picture
In general protecting your

In general protecting your skin from the sun with lotions, avoidance of the sun and by wearing covering clothes in the sun does protect you for its own part from skin cancer. Goes without saying. Why do you think the experts tell you to use lotion, avoid sun and wear long sleeved clothes - and yep, even cover your head - in the sun? Covering the actual hair is also beneficial. Every time your skin gets burned the risk to getting skin cancer grows.

Sheldon's picture
Leper "covering clothes in

Leper "covering clothes in the sun does protect you for its own part from skin cancer. "

Then why do only women where burkas, why not men as well? I'm pretty sure men have the same risk of skin cancer from UV rays as women.

Possibly's picture
Because women aren't turned

Because women aren't turned on just looking at men

chimp3's picture
Leper: "Because women aren't

Leper: "Because women aren't turned on just looking at men."

That is total bullshit!

CyberLN's picture
Well, I can get seriously

Well, I can get seriously sweaty eyebrows gazing at some of them!

chimp3's picture
CyberLN: "Well, I can get

CyberLN: "Well, I can get seriously sweaty eyebrows gazing at some of them!"

I wonder if the Kinsey Institute or the Skinnerites ever had "seriously sweaty eyeballs" in their measurements?

CyberLN's picture
It shoulda been ;)

It shoulda been ;)

Tin-Man's picture
Re: Leper - "Because women

Re: Leper - "Because women aren't turned on just looking at men"

...*loud announcer voice*.... Ladies and gentlemen! By unanimous decision of the judges, it is my honor and pleasure to introduce LEPER as this year's winner of the prestigious "Lame As Fuck Award"!... *roaring standing ovation from the audience*...

Nyarlathotep's picture
Notice in one breath we are

Notice in one breath we are told that it is for skin protection from the sun; in the next we are told:

Leper - Because women aren't turned on just looking at men

Sheldon's picture
,blockquote>Leper "Because

,blockquote>Leper "Because women aren't turned on just looking at men"<"blockquote>

PMLMAO...That's why there's no such thing as male strippers no doubt, but leaving aside that stupidity for a moment. You claimed it was worn to protect against skin cancer, now apparently it's to stop men getting turned on. That deafening noise is you desperately shifting the goalposts. Though one wonders why it's a problem, getting turned on at the sight of a woman isn't life threatening after all.

Cognostic's picture
Leper: Islamic women who

@Leper: Islamic women who wear the Hajib suffer from significantly lower vitamin D levels than do Western women or women who wear western dress.

Vitamin D is essential for strong bones, because it helps the body use calcium from the diet. Traditionally, vitamin D deficiency has been associated with rickets, a disease in which the bone tissue doesn't properly mineralize, leading to soft bones and skeletal deformities. But increasingly, research is revealing the importance of vitamin D in protecting against a host of health problems.

Rickets in Islamic Women:

Scientists say women who cover themselves almost completely for religious or cultural reasons when outside are at risk of severe vitamin D deficiency.

They say if these women breast feed they can also put their children in danger of developing the bone disease, rickets.

Professor John Eisman from the charity Osteoporosis Australia says other at-risk groups at the centre of a new awareness campaign are dark skinned migrants and the housebound elderly.

He says they all need more exposure to sunshine, but especially the children.

"When you don't have enough Vitamin D, particularly if you are a child, the bones don't develop properly."

"They are softer, more bendy, and they deform, which can have major long-term problems in terms of the skeleton."

Possibly's picture
So? This is a problem in a

So? This is a problem in a lot of places around the world because the sun doesn't shine so much. That why they eat d-vitamin.

Fleeing in Terror's picture
It is also why Scandinavian

It is also why Scandinavian countries have a tradition of sunbathing nude during sunny days in these special enclosures with open sides to the south. This is from decades ago. I think my 1/4 Finnish ex told me about it or I read it somewhere. I remember the National Geographic article on the special UV lamps the Soviets developed and the bilirubin light my son had to wear when he was a week old. PBS had been having the 'ad' about the nurses who developed the sunlight cure for jaundice in infants.

Cognostic's picture
@Leper: Rationalization does

@Leper: Rationalization does not help your cause. FACTS speak for themselves. Muslim women are not taking vitamin D, can not afford vitamin D, are ignorant of the effects of wearing the hajib and suffer the consequences as THESE STUDIES DEMONSTRATE. Your rationalizing bullshit does not debunk the facts of the situation.

Possibly's picture
All that would make them like

All that would make them like everyone else.

Cognostic's picture
@Leper: RE: "All that would

@Leper: RE: "All that would make them like everyone else." NO! It makes them too fucking stupid to take care of themselves because they believe in a stupid ancient religion that was stolen and copied from a bunch of Iron Age Goat Herders.

Possibly's picture
So is this thread about hijab

So is this thread about hijab or the head cover? And if it's about the former, what kind are we talking about?


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