The Hijab Paradox

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Old man shouts at clouds's picture
I do not think anyone has any

I do not think anyone has any bias against the way any woamn wnats to dress herself.

My issue is with the enforcement of such a dress code and the implicit accusation that men cannot control their rapist urges when they see a woman's face.

Both ideas are so repugnant and wrong, I fail to see why any intelligent argument could be mounted in their favor....oh wait, we are talking religious based promulgation?...I rest my case.

Cognostic's picture
@Old man shouts ... Re: "I

@Old man shouts ... Re: "I do not think anyone has any bias against the way any woamn wnats to dress herself."

I'm with you! It is repugnant and wrong to force women to wear clothing. In fact, the less the better. I often have fantasies of the women serving my hamburgers at Mac Donald's being topless. I don't even like Mac Donald'b but I would eat there a lot more often if they were topless. It is amazing what a good set of titties can do for an appetite.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Cog

@ Cog

Go and have an Ear Enema and wash out that filthy chimp brain of yours....

In Spirit's picture


It's my challenge to anyone who supports hijab here. Come and justify these points:

1) Hijab is useful
IS reply: A hijab is a head covering which can be found in all cultures, especially the traditional ones. Many European women would wear hijabs and some still do. It is worn for many reasons depending on your culture.

2) Hijab prevents rape.
IS reply: It all depends on who the rapist is and what turns them on. I can only assume that it will deter some but not all and may even attract some IMO.

3) Hijab prevents vision from lustful eyes of dirty men
IS reply: A hijab does not cover the face but only the head. Keep in mind that in many matrimony the women are covered in a veil, regardless of religion if any. Perhaps this matrimony veil has a religious history associating it with lustful eyes. Ok so now my curiosity leads me to more research. I'm starting here...

Closing comment: The KKK challenged the courts in 1990 about the law banning them from wearing a KKK hood. They lost that challenge. It is an interesting subject to research because as vague as that law is it is banned for very specific reasons. I won't compare the hijab to the KKK hood because there are huge differences. One being that that KKK hood worn by all implied the terror it is used for. That is something quite different from a hijab ( a head cover) in which the reasons may vary

Possibly's picture
Anyone who tried to twist my

Anyone who tried to twist my words -

I never said what hijab is for nor did I say 'it's for protection from the sun', but some uneducated fools here think cothing that covers the skin doesn't protect from the sun. Yet I bet when their skin starts turning reddish in the sun they pull on that shirt too. Why? Because it protects from the sun.

It's one thing to talk about the reasons for (a) hijab and whether it's necessary and another to make absurd claims contradictory to science in order to prove that this piece of clothing is harmful to the health of the wearer.

A clarification to my previous commend on women not being attracted just looking at men: men's awrah (the area that must be covered) is from the navel down to the knees because it is considered this area may attract sexual attention.

On the other hand someone going through a phase may be turned on by a birch so it doesn't mean a woman can't be both turned on and looking at a man, but it means looking at a man's body doesn't particularly turn her on.

Tin-Man's picture


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Sheldon's picture
Leper "it doesn't mean a

Leper "it doesn't mean a woman can't be both turned on and looking at a man, but it means looking at a man's body doesn't particularly turn her on."

Is that why there are no male strippers, because they "don't particularly turn women on"?

Cognostic's picture
@Leper: You got your

@Leper: You got your replies and not you want to whine. You want to bitch and complain. If you don't like the answers stop asking the questions. It's just that frigging simple. It should be obvious to you that the sterile form of Islam you have been introduced to and the cherry picked version of the quaran you happen to follow HAVE NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH ISLAM, NOTHING!

Possibly's picture


I asked what the thread was about. Is that too much to ask to know what it's about? It doesn't say it very clearly. But I know you all want me to be silent about all that you know nothing about. It makes you look so silly if I talk about it. But don't worry. I won't mock you.

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@Leper: Re: " I know you

@Leper: Re: " I know you all want me to be silent about all that you know nothing about."
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ! *Tear dripping from the corner of my eye!* Please keep talking. Can you imagine how many real Muslims are reading this bullshit and how utterly useless you appear to them? Each and every time you open your mouth, examples, refutations, scriptures, and FACTS, are shoved down your throat. You are doing more for Atheism on this site than you could ever do for Islam.
Please keep up the inane bullshit. WE LOVE IT.

Possibly's picture
I don't understand. Real

I don't understand. Real Muslims read my posts here and think I'm useless?

Tin-Man's picture
@Leper Re: "I don't

@Leper Re: "I don't understand. Real Muslims read my posts here and think I'm useless?"

Awww... You poor child... *patting top of head soothingly*... Now, now... Don't you go getting yourself all upset about what all those other Muslims think of you. If they believe you are doing a disservice to the Islamic faith, then that is simply their subjectively objective opinions interpreted in only ONE of the many different possible interpretations available to them to fit their particular agendas and personal feelings. Fret not, though. Because just like Cog said, you are not TOTALLY worthless. You have actually been providing a very valuable service to atheists and atheism as a whole by touting all about the wonderfully insane benefits of Islam as can only be expressed by a TRUE Muslim such as yourself.

So, you see? No need for you to be concerned about all that negativity from your Muslim brothers and sisters. We scum of the Earth atheist heathens here at the AR actually appreciate your efforts and self-sacrifice. So, chin up, you little rascal. Just start having a little faith in yourself, okay? Oh, and may the Allah be with you.... Always...

boomer47's picture
Oh dear.

Oh dear.

"Real Muslims" is a no true Scotsman fallacy, often used by extreme Muslims who are engaged in violent jihad . (all other Muslims are not not 'real muslims') -and of course the schism between Sunni and Shia. Over WHAT? A political, not a spiritual difference:

Whether religious leaders should be able to trace their ancestry back to the Prophet's family (Shia) or should be elected by the faithful, (Sunni)

. Or even more stupid, over what is the correct way to perform Namaz?. Surely that which is in the heart of the faithful is more important to Allah?

"Shia vs Sunni Namaz

"Sunni and Shia Namaz or salat differ from each other on the basis of actions and words involved. Sunni Muslims follow various interpretations by different schools of laws whereas Shia Muslims follow different legal traditions. Sunni Muslims follow Hanbli, Hanfi, Malikii and Shafi schools of thought whereas Shia Muslims follow Jaafri Madhhab."

Who has the arrogance say who is a 'real' Muslim , or Jew, Or Christian ,or Hindu , or atheist? ?


"No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity, is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample.[1][2] Rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by rhetoric, without reference to any specific objective rule ("no true Scotsman would do such a thing"; i.e., those who perform that action are not part of our group and thus criticism of that action is not criticism of the group).[3] "

Sheldon's picture
Leper "I know you all want me

Leper "I know you all want me to be silent"

Oh I think we've seen enough arrogant theists breeze through here, intent on giving the heathens pretentious sermons about their woo woo superstitious beliefs, to know how unlikely that is.

Leper" It makes you look so silly if I talk about it."

Au contraire, it makes you look silly, but then that's superstition for you.

Leper "But don't worry. I won't mock you."

Oh yes you will, theists love to pretend they have access to some esoteric knowledge atheists can't grasp, mocking is why they come here. Sadly they can't handle it when their superstitious guff is laughed at.

What objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity?


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