If you think an ideology or religion is immoral and evil, should you a

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Gnostic Christian Bishop's picture
If you think an ideology or religion is immoral and evil, should you a

If you think an ideology or religion is immoral and evil, should you actively oppose it?

Christians and Muslims seem to think so as evidenced by Inquisitions and Jihads.

I am a Gnostic Christian and we have always seen it as part of our belief system to oppose immoral and evil belief systems. We are not pacifists but historically have done our ideological fighting with good arguments instead of violence.

We have also called on all good people to actively oppose religions and ideologies that they feel are immoral and not deserving of their respect. That is a take-off on the adage that for evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing. Gnostic Christians believe in spreading good ideologies.

Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and good moral arguments and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them a better and more moral ways. Some of Christianity has adopted these better ways of late but Islam is lagging and fighting against ideological reform.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did call them out for their evils in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

In whatever belief system you follow, be it humanist, secular, atheistic or religious, does your ideology require you to fight other ideologies or religions you find immoral or harmful to society?

Please specify what ideology you follow in your reply.

Regards
DL

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CyberLN's picture
People are free to embrace

People are free to embrace whatever ideologies or thoughts that they like. As Thomas Jefferson said, “It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” In that vein, I feel completely free to offer my opinion about those ideologies and thoughts.

That being said, it is a person’s behavior for which they should be held accountable. I will oppose behavior that is evil / immoral. Mind you, to qualify as such, that behavior has to actually infringe on another.

And btw, atheism is not, I repeat NOT, a belief system, nor is it an ideology.

Gnostic Christian Bishop's picture
CyberLN

CyberLN

I guess that Jefferson did not have a wife or future children and grandchildren to care about.

Christianity and Islam have retarded our civilizing ourselves by promoting homophobia and misogyny.

Are those ideologies harmful and if so, should you go against them?

Regards
DL

CyberLN's picture
Sigh...

Sigh...

1. Why would Jefferson having a spouse or children effect what he said in that quote?
2. Read up on Jefferson. You have displayed ignorance about him.
3. Did you not read the part about thoughts versus behavior in my post? They are two different things about which I described two different opinions.

Agnostic Prophet's picture
"All that is necessary for

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."

 Edmund Burke (1729-1797)

Of course you should actively oppose an ideology you believe to be evil. You must be reactive, responding to each stituation or danger on an individual basis. If your proactive, say hypothetically you start burning down churches, then you're no better than the theology you oppose.

The best we can do it is reason with theists, make them to come to the conclusion themselves the odds that God exists is infinitesimal. Try to convince them that by using god as a knowledge-gap-filler, the are limiting their understanding of the universe.

The irony is, the universe it more wonderous then God is.

Now I know that the religious folks are not, by definition, reasonable people, but should we give up on them? Absolutely not.

In a weird way, we've got to have faith that we can reason with the unreasonable.

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Agnostic Prophet

Agnostic Prophet

Well put.

I seek out targets in the web to try to convince to our side, Do you?

I am a Gnostic Christian but still see your view as our side.

Regards.
DL

Agnostic Prophet's picture
Gnostic Christian

Gnostic Christian

Yes, I am forever trying to convince the misguided to see sense, usually unsuccessfully, but that doesn't stop me trying.

Gnostic Christian Bishop's picture
Agnostic Prophet

Agnostic Prophet

Atta go.

Usually?

Where have you had the greatest success and where have you had the greatest failures?

Regards
DL

chimp3's picture
My ideologies have fluctuated

My ideologies have fluctuated over my 58 years. I have changed since my youth as to what I consider evil. Regardless, I am not asking counsel of any deity, religious tome, or preacher ( gnostic or otherwise).

Gnostic Christian Bishop's picture
chimp3

chimp3

Hello young man.

As an esoteric ecumenist I cherry pick the best rules and laws regardless of where I find them.

Where did you find those councils/advices that changed your thinking?

Regards
DL

Sapporo's picture
If you are able to do so,

If you are able to do so, then you should. This doesn't mean you have to overexert yourself or put yourself at risk however. Speaking for myself, it can be dispiriting confronting immoral doctrines, to the extent that it causes prolonged lethargy if I'm not careful.

Gnostic Christian Bishop's picture
Sapporo

Sapporo

I hear you.

Girdle your loins, as they used to say, and remember that even Jesus got fed up on occasion.

Not that the Jesus' of scriptures ever lived. I see all the Jesus' that coe from scriptures as archetypal good men with the Roman pacifist as the worst.

I do like this one. He frees us from institutionalized religion. He does not try to slave us to one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

Regards
DL

mykcob4's picture
What immoral doctrines? Do

What immoral doctrines? Do you mean religion?

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mykcob4

mykcob4

Religions can be said to have an ideology for sure but so can political parties or systems. Communism, for instance is an ideology as well as atheism. Ideology is a basic way of thinking.

You are asking me what doctrines I think immoral but the question I put is more to speak of what you see my friend. Not wnhat I see, which will likely become clear with my agreeing with you or not.

So do you see any active and immoral religions or governing systems?

Regards
DL

mykcob4's picture
Are Gnostic Christian and

Are Gnostic Christian and Agnostic prophet the same person? They seem to be.

Gnostic Christian Bishop's picture
Are Gnostic Christian and

Are Gnostic Christian and Agnostic prophet the same person?

No. Why do you compare?

Is he or she also one of the greatest minds you will ever meet? -;) LOL.

Regards
DL

chorlton's picture
you know full well atheist

you know full well atheist isn't a belief system & the answer is NO

so why ask?

#shitstirrer

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chorlton

chorlton

Look up the definition of ideology, show your intelligence and recant.

Atheists are a group of like minded individuals and that makes atheism an ideology.

Regards
DL

Pitar's picture
Who will sit in judgement of

Who will sit in judgement of those who will judge? By what defined good is judgement possessed of. Who defines it? Who ascribes it to all men? Who claims to know the better good when it is clearly claimed by all? And, which good of the many and varied (doctrines) can describe the worth of a man or woman?

It's all so pretentiously childish and of a basal repugnance that it can be no wonder free men and women feel mankind injured by its mere mention and tortured by its imposition.

This thread is but one example of supremacy, championed by preciously little cranial capacity to understand its implications, and yet it does so with a laughable dedication as if it should be viewed by all as a certain enlightenment for all humanity to righteously observe.

One man's doctrine is another man's belly laugh but when the laughing dies down the doctrines live on. In name they differ but the game doesn't: supremacy.

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Pitar

Pitar

You decry judging, as you judge what I put as laughable.

Pot, kettle.

From some of your other posts, I thought you were more intelligent.

My bad.

That aside.

Judging often times is followed with an attempt to correct poor thinking.

Do you think that to be a worthy pursuit, or should we just let poor thinking reign unopposed?

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Imagine the world if poor thinking had not been criticised. Fools would think that Inquisitions and Jihads would be good things as no one would speak against them.

Regards
DL

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