Christ "exposed a scam" that "was anti intellectual, anti science and anti reason, it kept people ignorant, dogmatic, closed minded, bigoted and hateful", and the "perpetrators just wanted him to go away quietly", but when he didn't, "ironically, the nastiest responses came from the current victims of the scam" who called for his crucification on a cross!
You guys would not see Christ as the education (the Word) that frees the "ignorant with a willingness to believe anything and learn from those who come before us", because, you are focusing on the "magic woo woo", and have "grown to believe in the same bullshit" instead of endeavouring to understand and comprehend it.
Thankfully, "this is changing". "The Internet has ensured the Logos, Word, Education, Christ etc, has definitely acted to make places a lot less insular and, perhaps, more open-minded".
I'd be surprised if you all see it that way though, because, like most, religion might have blinded your understanding. But do correct me if im wrong about you guys.
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@ The Intruder
You are wrong.
But you have done a nice job in defining many theists as "ignorant with a willingness to believe anything".
Personally, I prefer to check out the goods before I sign any cheques.
Re: OP
Corporate sponsorship for the Jesus logo is praised by Christian consumers who hide their chocolate bunny eggs under their L.E.D. trees during the festive Pagan holidays they hijacked from days of yore to better promote and profit from the childhood indoctrinations in the never-ending quest to dutifully support their all-knowing, all-powerful, financially-irresponsible, lovingly-sadistic, compassionately-narcissistic, confidently-insecure, warmongering-pacifistic creator of the universe.
Furthermore, purple pillow puppies bravely bark before biting bright blue birdies singing sweet soothing songs waking weary wayward wanderers from fallows fenced for fame.
Re: OP again
Oh, wait... You mean our Masked Intruder was actually being SERIOUS with that OP? Well, shit.... *hands on hip*... *tapping foot impatiently*... And here I was thinking he was proposing a challenge to see who could say the most ridiculous nonsense in a single post. Although, in all fairness, I likely would not have won anyway. After comparing my post to his OP, my post actually makes some amount of sense. Still, it's all about the principle of the matter, dammit.
Wow, you are so very wrong in your assumptions. Being closed minded would mean I would blindly just believe in Christianity. I would just stupidly believe in anything if I were closed minded. I am not.
I opened my mind to the possibility of being wrong about religion and found that not even Wikipedia is calling God real.
I realize you are so sure of yourself, but every story including the Jesus Christ story can be debunked. No I will NOT just fall for anything, I like solid hard evidence and there's just no solid evidence of any god existing in this world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ETSBh59l3g&t=8s
I believe that's very possible, that you just cease to exist.
My Two Cents.
@Intruder .....
"You guys would not see Christ as the education (the Word) that frees
the "ignorant with a willingness to believe anything and learn from those who come before us"
Quite correct...... we do not see Chritians as educators (far less as educated...) what we see is your
actions ...... isn't there a quote about "judging by their actions" ...... ?
Well ..... lets see shall we.....
AD 354 ..... First burning of libraries in various cities of the empire.
AD 364 ..... Emperor Jovian orders the burning of the Library of Antioch.
AD 370 ..... Antioch, the philosopher Simonides is burned alive and the philosopher
Maximus is decapitated.
Tons of books are burnt in the squares of the cities of the Eastern Empire.
AD 372 ..... Valens orders the governor of Minor Asia to exterminate all the Hellenes and
all documents of their wisdom.
AD 375 ..... The temple of Asclepius in Epidaurus, Greece, (possibly the greatest shool of medicine in
the ancient world , is closed down by the Christians.
AD 381 ..... Throughout the Eastern Empire pagan temples and libraries are looted or burned down.
AD 388 ..... Public talks on religious subjects are outlawed by Theodosius.
AD 391 ..... In Alexandria, Egypt, pagans, led by the philosopher Olympius, revolt and after some street
fights they lock themselves inside the fortified temple of the god Serapis (the Serapeion).
After a violent siege, the Christians take over the building, demolish it, burn its famous
library and profane the cult images.
AD 415 ..... Hypatia, Alexandrian Neoplatonist philosopher ,scholar ,astronomer and mathematician.
Brutally murdered by a mob of monks agitated by Bishop Cyril and led by Cyril's right-hand
man, Peter the Reader.
Dragged from her chariot and into a church, she was stabbed repeatedly and skinned with
oyster shells.
Her naked body was burned to disguise the crime.
Hypatia was not made a saint, nor honoured as a martyr.
'Saint' Cyril, however, made the grade. A 'Pillar of the Faith' he was declared a doctor of
the Universal Church in 1882. Cyril remains a luminary of the Coptic Christian Church
to this day.
Nice one, Cyril...
I shall stop here as I could go on all night, but I'm sure you get the point....
I'll finish with a quote from that great educator Augustine of Hippo ....
"Since God has spoken to us it is no longer necessary for us to think." – St Augustine
and that ,I think ,says it all....
Just a little history lesson The Intruder. After christ got nailed and promoted to heaven, it took a few hundred years for all the supposed "christian" sects to get their shit together and organized. Rome declined, and after it's fall, christianity took over. Under the control of christianity, intellectual darkness ruled, until the Renaissance.
I suggest you examine christianity for what it is, a hindrance to human advancement and the sciences.
@David Killens, I'll just state that I will not bother with the selectivity with which you've chosen your evidence because the mere fact that you have shown an awareness of your selections is sufficient for me to know you can provide counters for each one yourself.
@ The Intruder
You implied in the OP that christ brought reason to mankind. I have offered a counter, displaying a few examples why christianity is one of ignorance and maintaining an ignorant peasant class.
If you choose not to counter, that is your choice. To concede.
@David Killens, Christ is an example of an individual reasoning. This is clear from the engagements we read about him having with people where he clearly was reasoning with people.
Do you agree?
@ The Intruder
Christ is an example of an individual reasoning. This is clear from the engagements we read about him having with people where he clearly was reasoning with people.
Do you agree?
So was Plato, Confucius, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Hugo Mercier, and David Hume. So what? A lot of people have conversations with others and discuss reasoning.
But based on the religion that sprang up from christ, he was one pathetic teacher and his teachings were faulty. Just look at the chaos and death that christianity has imposed on mankind.
edit: to add last line
Firstly you named your thread “An Important Fact”, then the first word in your thread is “Christ”.
Stop. This is not a fact.
You said ...” "The Internet has ensured ...”
Thanks to science.
The internet has also ensured a vast array of information placed there by people.
@The Intruder: You said....
"Christ "exposed a scam" Assertion. Offered with no evidence at all. Please demonstrate this Christ thing, if it existed, exposed a scam.
"
You guys would not see Christ as the education (the Word) that frees the "ignorant with a willingness to believe anything and learn from those who come before us", (Another inane and unfounded assertion. What reason would we have for such a point of view. Remember most of us on this site have been theists. Once again your ignorance is spewing forth like vomit onto the very pillow you lay your head. All you need do is lift your head out of the vomit to glean what is real around you.)
"I'd be surprised if you all see it that way though, because, like most, religion might have blinded your understanding. But do correct me if im wrong about you guys." (Consider yourself corrected. You think you have some sort of special insight? Not according to the "Irrational Bullshit" you post. "
I don't know what game you are playing; but If you are going to quote me (or cranky47 or anyone for that matter), you should say who you are quoting, and not alter the quotation.
@ Intruder
"You guys would not see Christ as the education (the Word)"
Probably not for two reasons.
1. There is absolutely no contemporary evidence for existence of the Christ figure as portrayed in the Gospels. None.
2. The word (logos) was the philosophical property of one Philo. It was incorporated/stolen by "Paul" and later philosophers into the gentile sect of Christianity becoming mainstream in the mid Second century.
Perhaps you should read a book or two...you know the ones you have to hide in case the elders see them....
@ Inturder,
say hi to Tamaratonye1 for me.
Here is an important fact -
The quotes in the OP are from an atheist thread posted at the Nairaland forum, entitled 'Anti-Atheism in Nigeria'. Yes, eagle-eyed forumites, the very same forum used by the mysterious Miss Tittylata or whatever the troll's name was.
Inturder is a troll who has learned how to use quote marks but doesn't practice attributions.
But then Miss Tamaratonye1 might well be another sock for Miss Tittylala or even Inturder himself. I hope not. 'She' wrote an interesting post about Jeremy Bentham's 'Not Paul but Jesus' book.
if you are interested here's a short cut to Nairaland forum - Anti-Atheism in Nigeria
edited to change content
Thanks for that link Grinseed, wow that site contains some cringeworthy nonsense. So many of them espouse the same empty rhetoric that we see The Intruder post here, as if he's saying something profound.
Old Man Shouts...you said “ you have to hide in case the elders see them....”
Intruder is not a Jehovah’s Witness. I don’t know what religion he is or what he’s claimed in the past, but a Witness he is not.
@ white fire
I totally agree that intruder is not what he claims. I have said that on several occasion on these forums.
He is a liar, that is evident.
Gotcha thanks for the clarity... nothing worse than misrepresenting a shitty religion! ;)
@The Intruder
That's just more of your bigoted vapid anti atheist rhetoric, it's the usual tedious self aggrandizing bombast we've seen from many theists before. Come up with something new, that has something intelligent or original to offer, or at the very least has some shred of rational cogent thought behind it. These endless unevidenced claims are not worthy of debate.
Hitchens razor applied...
So, do tell us all, mythology fanboy, what do you have to support your continued adherence to the assertion that an invisible magic man exists, other than "my mythology says so, therefore it's true"? I'm still waiting to see a mythology fanboy present something other than this brand of vacuity.
I still cant get passed this "god", who knows all, is infinitely great, infinitely powerful, infinitely wise etc...
Only appears once to a bunch of illiterate, uneducated and superstitious peasants around 2000 years ago and leaves absolutely nothing that smarter, more logical, rational, scientific and vastly more educated minds could come to reason as being what could pass as empirical.
Not a single shred of anything that reasonabling a solid factual proof.
Nope, just miracles and the suspension of the laws of nature and physics.
@The Intruder
I think you need to look up fact in the dictionary, as what you've posted isn't even close to a fact, its unevidenced assumption, even the existence of an historical Jesus is far from a fact, let alone claims about what he is alleged to have done, constructed and cobbled together to make up the bible myths, decades or even centuries after his alleged death. Dear oh dear but this is poor apologetics.
fact
noun
1. a thing that is known or proved to be true
Edited: typos and grammar
I'm still waiting for any mythology fanboy to present something here, other than "my mythology says so, therefore it's true" or rectally extracted apologetic bollocks, to support their attachment to the idea that an invisible magic man exists. Though my constituent atoms will probably be recycled across the universe when the Sun does its red giant act, before any mythology fanboy presents something other than regurgitated mythological assertions and wank-break apologetic fabrications.