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@ Breezy
And still no links to your academic scribblings....you are a bit of a fraud methinks Breezy. All bluster and no substance.
And you are for once, correct, it is your fault.
John, you wrote, “So my only interest is in what you are able to contribute to these conversations, irrespective of credentials and awards.
I've rarely come across anything written by you here worth reading twice. That's my faulT”
What method(s) are you using to measure how a post contributes to a forum conversation and / or its worthiness to be read twice?
Breezy: "I don't have to write for you guys as if I'm writing for academia (even though I often do)."
Since when?
rmfr
You may be superior in telling tales, but I am superior in being grounded in reality.
@ʝօɦn 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐy
"Again, common sense; you won't learn about that in technical manuals."
That is a shot in the dark that came back and took a piece out of your ass.
When I was an aero engine tech, there were at least 30, most likely over 40 thick manuals covering just one aircraft/engine combination. Those were just the books on the hangar floor, we had a heck of a lot more in the library and engine shop. And everything in the industry is built on the strong foundation of common sense. Everything. Everyone who works in this industry live and dies by common sense, it is the common theme that permeates everything. Because if we did not practice common sense every second, people could die.
For my entire life I have worked in a world where common sense is the most important factor. It is not the land of academia, it is the land where if you miss something or mess up, people die. I am not being dramatic, when you carry such a burden of responsibility, the stupid crap flies out of your life.
John, you have obvious never delved deep into tech manuals, or come close to comprehending what real responsibility is.
@ David
As a guy who writes tech manuals to AS 61508 and AS 61511 standards you are dead right brother. Breezy just shows his childish naivety and inexperience when he makes statements like that.
To him Safety Management is making sure mummy warms his slippers on a cold night.
@David
Not only has such common sense failed you here if you expect me to invest the same time and energy into my posts as I do writing a research proposal. To even put common sense within the specialized context of aircrafts and engines cancels out what is supposed to be common about it.
@David and Old Man
Interestingly, within the study of narrative you have the concept of positioning within a conversation. So, for example, attributing responsibility to yourself, or inexperience to me, have the purpose of positioning one speaker above or below the other. Any sleep deprived individual can see these things have nothing to do with the actual conversation, but they do play an important role to the context of it, and which speaker is more believable. I can give y'all the reference so you can learn about it; but then again, it should be pretty obvious what positioning is.
@ Breezy
Yep "I'm willing to bet I'm one of the best writers on here." , just about sums it up....maybe you should re read the link you have.....and where you were trying to position yourself.
You really are full of it are you not?
Justifiably so. The beautiful thing here is that I don't just speak for the sake speaking, I place myself in a position where I can be proven wrong. So prove me wrong, go through our contributions to the forum, and run any measure you want on them. Grammar errors, substance, citations, pick your poison.
@ Breezy
I really dont have the time, or the inclination...how about evasions, lies, dishonesty? Can we all list them?
Go for it. No clue how you'll identify dishonesty and lies, but if you think it improves your chances, I approve.
@ Breezy
Lets go then, we start with the questions you have evaded so many times...
Are you a young Earth Creationist?
How old do you think the Earth is?
Are you a a 7th Day Adventist?
If not, which denomination are you?
What level of study have you attained? Bachelors, Masters? Undergraduate?
Where have your academic papers been published? (link required)
No smart answers, just the truth....
(edited for clarity and q added)
@ʝօɦn 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐy
"Go for it. No clue how you'll identify dishonesty and lies, but if you think it improves your chances, I approve."
Dishonesty is stating that you do not nitpick.
Lies is when you state that you do not nitpick.
Sorry, but I don't. You must have me confuse with another.
Breezy: "Justifiably so. The beautiful thing here is that I don't just speak for the sake speaking, I place myself in a position where I can be proven wrong. So prove me wrong, go through our contributions to the forum, and run any measure you want on them. Grammar errors, substance, citations, pick your poison."
You asked for it.
Breezy: "Justifiably so. The beautiful thing here is that I don't just speak for the sake of speaking, I place myself in a position where I can be proven wrong. So prove me wrong, go through our contributions to the forum, and run any measure you want on them. Grammar errors, substance, citations, pick your poison."
rmfr
Keep going. If my claim is right, then one error from me means at least two errors from others.
Breezy: "Yet, even if that wasn't the case, have you ever published an article?"
Have you?
rmfr
Nyar, sure seems like John is engaging in a bit of ‘do as I say, not as I do’ behavior.
Nitpicking isn't something I do, so no.
"Nitpicking isn't something I do, so no."
Wow. I am actually flabbergasted. That is like a fish stating that it never gets wet. But I am not completely surprised, dishonesty is your stock in trade.
Great, show me where I've nitpicked at people the way Nyar does.
@ Breezy
Thats because even head lice cant stand being around you much either.....every footstep must echo....
ROFLMAO. Good one Tin-Man. Oops. I mean Old Man. Good one. Glad I obey C3.
***chuckling continues to be heard in background***
rmfr
"Nitpicking isn't something I do, so no."
That's just cruel to make me laugh like that, when I told everyone I've had a bout of colitis.
Damn it Sheldon, I just woke up my dog from the laughter.
I must always maintain the rule never to have anything in my mouth lest they spew forth. I've probably fired more milk through my nose in this forum than my entire life.
"You made up the phrase homogeneous narrative."
No I didn't, though I did use it. I have no idea why you're fixating on the phrase rather than addressing what it means though.
"then it's still a narrative."
Not an homogeneous narrative, it reads more like different narratives patched together in a post ad hoc fashion. Again this tells us little about it's veracity, but the idea it's the most important message ever communicated, and is from an omniscient omnipotent deity would necessarily involve it not containing human flaws.
Asking you what it means was one of the first things I did. And you just proved my point, "not a homogeneous narrative" you've created this category for the sole purpose of placing the Bible outside it, despite it not changing the fact that the bible is written in narrative form.
Guess what that's called? Str....
"Asking you what it means was one of the first things I did. And you just proved my point, "not a homogeneous narrative" you've created this category for the sole purpose of placing the Bible outside it, despite it not changing the fact that the bible is written in narrative form.
Guess what that's called? Str...."
I can't explain anymore times than I have already John. I think you've missed my point to focus on a single word, is this obfuscation deliberate? You have do have form for this kind dishonest tactic. You're trying to ignore any points made that don't take the discussion where you want it to go. It's not a single narrative but as Sapporo said a collection of separate and disparate narratives by different authors, cobbled together. These and it's other flaws which I keep pointing out and you keep ignoring, are what we'd expect from a collection of human stories, but not from the most important message ever created and that was derived from an omniscient and omnipotent deity.
Do try and forget the word homogeneous, as you are not seeing it's relevance, and are using it as a red herring now. Read my responses and Sapporo's post that I initially responded to.
Try this...
Q) Do you think the bible is a single narrative from a single source?
If you're not arguing against the bible being written in narrative form, then there's really nothing to discuss here.
I'll gladly forget the word homogeneous, since it doesn't prevent the bible from being a narrative.
"If you're not arguing against the bible being written in narrative form, then there's really nothing to discuss here."
"If you're not arguing against the bible being written in narrative form, then there's really nothing to discuss here."
Then why ask anything else in your op? Yes its disjointed collection of disparate narratives that gives no compelling reason to believe it is anything but human in origin.
"I'll gladly forget the word homogeneous,"
Well now I'm dubious.
"since it doesn't prevent the bible from being a narrative."
Nor does disbelieving it and in any deity, if only you had only asked the one single question in your op you now seem to have any interest in. I suggest you go back and delete this but from your OP.
"Have you thought of this format at a bad thing, or a good thing for religion? In other words, if God is real, is this a smart move or a bad move?"
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