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@ Sheldon
I was about to reply to the OP "fucking bullshit" but the above does it so much better...
"I know your not that dumb."
Sigh, another irony overload. Do theists go to a special school to learn to misspell the abbreviation of you are?
"When was the last time you saw something come from nothing? "
When was the last time you saw someone conceive after being impregnated by a deity in ghostly form? When was the last time you saw someone come back to life after rigor mortis had set in? While we're at it whoever claimed anything had come from nothing? Come to that how could a deity exist unless something else created it? How could a deity create a universe ex nihilo? What you're doing is uing argumentum ad ignorantiam, a common logical fallacy, and what it means for an argument when that contains logical fallacies like that is that it cannot rationally be asserted as true.
"universe that according to mathamtic probability should not exist."
Nonsense, please provide a citation to for this claim. Not that it matters, as the universe does exist so the odds against it are largely moot wouldn't you say?
""Of course you can’t understand god. You can’t see him? No shit.""
Or unicorns, or mermaids, but that tends to be the case with fictitious things that are not properly defined. This claim hardly validates the belief a deity exists, quite the opposite I'd say.
"Listen to yourself."
Sound advice, and I urge you to reread what you have posted with a critical and objective eye.
Hello Tavoh, it is my pleasure to meet you.
I can only speak for myself because being an atheist means just one thing, a lack of belief in a god.
It is not that I am attempting to disprove a god, it is because I do not see anything rational or any proof in a god. Let me do a slight substitution to give my perspective. Instead of referencing the bible and god, let us switch it to a Harry Potter book and the world of witchcraft.
Both books do reference the real world. The bible mentions real places, as does Harry Potter book in, for example, London. But when you examine a Harry Potter book with critical examination, you ask.. where are the things mentioned in the book? I do not see flying ships, I do not see magical events, I cannot even find Hogwarts on a map.
If there was someone who truly believed in the world of Harry Potter, they would use the book as proof, which is a circular argument.
And this is the same when it comes to the bible and god. The only proof is from the bible, and and since even Christian scholars agree that the bible was a mish-mash of various tales collected over hundreds of years after the death of jesus, in other words it cannot be trusted as a valid history with accuracies.
For me personally I spent over forty years of my life searching for a god, anything spiritual. My goal was not to disprove a god, it was a search for a god. But after all those years of searching, the process of eliminations resulted in zero proof or any indications of anything spiritual, with the exception of people's wild imaginations.
@Tavoh: Look at the earth, the stars the way everything is put into perfect harmony of course there is a creator.
The surface of the Earth is a chaotic jumble of tectonic plates that squash us like bugs, smash us with tsunami, or incinerate us with volcanoes every time they shift. Over 99% of all species that ever lived are extinct. That's hardly perfect harmony.
Stars are born and die, often in vast explosions. Our own solar system was formed haphazardly from debris blown out from those explosions. There's still lots of material zipping around in orbits that sometimes intersect with our planet. The last big one to hit us nearly ended all life on this planet. That's not perfect harmony.
What aspects of the Earth and the universe have convinced you that there is a creator?
The reality is that I do not believe the believers. They are equal to people who say they were abducted by UFOs or saw Bigfoot. Never heard a persuasive argument for baby Jesus, Allah, Krishna, Jehovah.
I am a naturalist. Saying that something exists outside nature holds no meaning for me. The extent to which the bible is wrong has no bearing on my view that it is illogical to believe in the existence of something that by definition is not falsifiable.
"I am a naturalist. Saying that something exists outside nature holds no meaning for me. The extent to which the bible is wrong has no bearing on my view that it is illogical to believe in the existence of something that by definition is not falsifiable."
Precisely correct.
@ Tavoh: "I do know that god must be infinitely knowledgeable."
"What god are you talking about?" How do you know that. "
You say you know your idea of god is infantry knowledgeable (You know it) but you don't know anything about his personality and anyone who asks you about other personality traits other than being all knowledgeable is being "Ignorant," That is just such a slam dunk argument. I think you are going to convince everyone on this site that you have special knowledge of the magical flying sky being. We may all convert.
@ When was the last time you saw something come from nothing? Much less an entire universe?
Do you have "nothing" that we can examine? What in the world makes you think "nothing" can exist. We have no example of "NOTHING" anyplace. So, what was before the universe, Guess What? No one knows. We do know for a fact, matter appears and vanishes randomly into and out of our universe. We have no idea why or where it comes from, if it is coming from anywhere. The hypothesis is that "empty space" is actually something. It acts like mud and when energy passes through it, the energy is slowed down and manifests in physical form. I think Lawrence Kraus discussed this when he asserted Nothing is not what we think it is.
If you can prove nothing is real or that something called nothing actually exists, you will get your Nobel prize. And we will all be impressed and feel guilty about treating you like the ignorant child we assume you to be.
@ Of course you can’t understand god.
Oh how wrong you are. We all understand that god is all knowledgeable. We learned that from you. We know a whole lot more about God than we knew prior to you sharing your wisdom with us.
@As in all reality stays within their dimension.
Well that's fked up. I guess we can toss out miracles, prayer, Jesus, or any other magical intervention. HEY! We now know two things about God. He is all knowledgeable and he can not leave his dimension. What good is all that knowledge if you are still trapped in your own dimension, and how in the hell did you create a universe for a bunch of three dimensional beings if you are stuck in another dimension.
You know so much more about God than any of us. Thank you for sharing. I think we will all be talking about these amazing facts long after you are gone. Your insight and amazing logic are really appreciated., Hell, I'll just say it. YOU SHOULD WRITE A BOOK.
Yeah, see when I look at the Earth and stars I see violent collisions, lethal radiation, and extreme temperature swings (just to name a few). It kind of looks like a mess, IMO.
Honestly guys, aside from the part that your all painfully wrong and ignorant. I was just a bored 14 year old tht wanted to piss some people off, and i thought “hmm, what’s funnier than pissed off athiest?” Couldn’t think of nothin, sooo I said just the right things and you came running like ants to a sugar pile. I’m not bored anymore and y’all write too much. Also, y’all really treating this atheist stuff more and more like a religion by the argument. Idk chill out guys
"your all painfully wrong and ignorant. "
"your" nicely done.
Trolling for responses is against forum rules.
To me it reads like you are being pretty defensive at this point, and trying to pass it off as "oh I was just trolling" and cap it off with trying to insult everyone who responded.
Also, look up the word god. What you tried to describe before you got all defensive does not fit the commonly accepted definition of the word god.
@Tavoh Re: "I was just a bored 14 year old tht wanted to piss some people off,..."
lol.... Oh, little boy. You make remarkably wrong assumptions. What makes you think anybody was pissed? Speaking for myself, I see you and others like you as cheap entertainment. As far as I'm concerned, you allow me to have a little fun here. What you and other believers fail to understand is that I (and other atheists) have nothing to prove. Therefore, I have no need to defend anything. This allows me the luxury of being able to just chill and point out the absurdities of your beliefs, while watching you and other believers wiggle and squirm and deflect in an effort to maintain your grasps on your delusion.
Honestly, you give yourself waaaay too much credit to even remotely believe you could say anything to piss me off. *chuckle*
"your all painfully wrong and ignorant."
You are is not abbreviated as your, champ. So your attempt at a pejorative here is something of an own goal.
" I was just a bored 14 year old tht wanted to piss some people off, and i thought “hmm, what’s funnier than pissed off athiest?” "
Illiterate religious trolls with little imagination, no obvious education, and a massive chip on their shoulder. What do I win? !4 you say, I was spot on, I owe myself a pint.
"you came running like ants to a sugar pile."
Busted, I feel cheated, when will I ever learn not to answer posts in debate forums in case it's a lying theists trolling me. Mea maxima culpa.
If god creates man in his image, it would explain a lot.
@ Tavoh
So is this your exit strategy? You come in here making a wild assertion, got a push-back you did not expect, ran out of excuses, then make this feeble plea as if you won anything?
I do not expect you to reply, you have slunk away with your tail between your legs.
You can lead a Christian to knowledge but you can't make them think. After all, a thinking Christian would not be a real Christian.
I think in times gone by, with the limited scope of scientific theories, being an atheist probably was more of a leap of faith than being a theist. Now that we have an idea of where we came from, and just how small a part we are of an infinitely large universe a reversal has occurred.
To believe in a personal god is to put humans as being the focal point of the universe. To me it makes very little sense for an infinite universe to be here if all that god's concerned with are our actions here on this planet. Why not just create the Solar System and nothing more?
We have a coherent idea of how the world is this way without having to appeal to any deity, and we seem to be a minor part of it. It's natural to conclude that it's likely we're not an important part of the world and hence that their is no personal god.
@ Matt Davies
Certainly science has a lot to do with it. The god of the gaps has found fewer and fewer gaps to slip its self into. Every scientific advancement pushes god further and further into the darkness. And every new attempt to prove the existence of a God eschews the Biblical version in favor of philosophical versions as the religious attempt to reinvent and reinterpret their idea of god or gods into a modern world.
@ y’all write too much.
Probably says more about your reading level than our writing ability. (Just something to think about.)
If that is so, then why is so little of everything (the Universe) where us humans can live? Why it the Universe (everything) AND the Earth are doing nothing more than trying to exterminate us? And if not exterminate us, then definitely always killing us.
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