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AJ777 (John Breezy Jr.): "By what standard do you call someone a good person?"
MINE. And I guarantee my subjective standard agrees with a very high percentage of other atheists. And is more moral than that irrelevant, obsolete, savage, barbaric, and unsubstantiated bullshit written by desert-roaming goat-herders.
And this one from a graphic I saw on the WWW:
And another one:
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@ AJ777 & Empedocles
Why should anyone cede to religion the RIGHT to tell us what we can and cannot do?
If you cannot determine the difference between good and evil, then it is not religion that you lack. IT IS EMPATHY.
Why should anyone cede to religion the RIGHT to tell us what we can and cannot think?
The fact that religion has nothing else to contribute to human wisdom and knowledge is no reason to hand religion a free license to dictate what is good, what is evil, what we can and cannot think. Especially since religion is rife with EVIL within its own house.
Did not your precious Heysoos once say to evil, "Get thee behind me"?
rmfr
Sheldon, you wrote:
“I've seen little evidence to support that premise. An automaton blindly following ancient dogma and doctrine.”
That’s interesting, I think that on atheism if one believes evolution is the sole mechanism by which humans came to be, it follows that humans are not more than automatons. Nature and our DNA dictate our thoughts and behaviors on atheism. Whereas in Christianity freewill is rationally possible. On atheism one cannot even trust ones reasoning.
@AJ777
Boy I am glad I wear Depends when reading the posts made by theists, else I'd've pissed all over myself laughing so hard.
rmfr
Arakish, you say a lot, but little of substance.
Another irony overload. Arakish's contributions are erudite and eloquent, yours on the other hand are facile duplicitous nonsense.
Why do you think it is immoral to torture a child?
What kind of morality doesn't know this?
Damn you Sheldon.
"Another irony overload. Arakish's contributions are erudite and eloquent, yours on the other hand are facile duplicitous nonsense."
I was going to respond with something similar. Then again, I am UTC -7 and you are UTC +0. You have a 7 hour advantage.
Nyar, where are those 100 Agree, 1K Agree, and 10K Agree buttons?
I at least did give you the 1 Agree. Thanks.
rmfr
Sheldon,
"Why do you think it is immoral to torture a child?
What kind of morality doesn't know this?
As it says in 2 Maccabees 7:17 (CEB) = "Just wait and observe his great strength, when God will torture you and your children.”
LOL...you should really find another sandbox...LOL
@AJ777: it follows that humans are not more than automatons.
It only follows if you believe in solipsism. What's your logic in claiming that evolution can only produce automatons? Was every human being who existed before Christianity an automaton? Is every human being in non-Christian societies an automaton?
With Christianity if you act a certain way you go to heaven. If you act another way you go to hell. How does that cattle-prod, carrot-and-stick creed differ from life as an automaton?
Atheism has nothing to do with evolution, and evolution doesn't make any claims about the origins of life. Two lies in one sentence, you're on form in that post.
You have no morals, how can you claim to have any morals when you don't even know why it's immoral to torture a child?
Indeed, when you worship a deity and bible that shows that deity torturing and murdering babies and children out of angry caprice.
You don't know what rationally means obviously, else you'd not keep using logical fallacies like argumentum ad ignorantiam as you have done here again, by trying to decry the scientific fact of evolution because it doesn't explain the origin of life.
No scientific theory yet explains the origins of life, so logically you're denying all scientific theories, including gravity, relativity, germ and probability theory.
Why is rational about that I don't know.
Algebe, this is a mischaracterization or misunderstanding if Christianity. In Christianity, ones destiny is not determined by ones works.
@AJ777: In Christianity, ones destiny is not determined by ones works.
In which version of Christianity is that?
I grew up listening to Christian preachers and teachers telling us about the types of behavior needed to get into heaven, and the sins that would doom us to hell. Go and look at the "Last Judgement" on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and tell me what that's all about.
I don’t know what you’ve been told, but the Protestant Christian Bible makes the opposite claim. Psalm 14
14 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”
They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds;
there is none who does good.
2 The Lord looks down from heaven on the children of man,
to see if there are any who understand,[a]
who seek after God.
3 They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt;
there is none who does good,
not even one.
AJ777, you wrote, “In Christianity, ones (sic) destiny is not determined by ones (sic) works.”
Depends on which flavor of xtianity...
That’s what separates christianity from religion. Religion says do these good works and you will be rewarded, which in effect makes the good works a selfish action and not a good work. Protestant christianity rightly understood says do good works out of gratitude for the free gift of salvation that is available to all. This alone in religion allows good works to actually be done not out of fear of punishment, or pride in being superior to those who do evil. Christianity is a third way. Not self discovery or moral conformity. This is the gospel.
@AJ777: Protestant christianity rightly understood
That's a no true Scotsman fallacy. Any pope, priest, preacher, parson, or parishioner who doesn't share your view is excluded from your definition of Christianity because they don't "rightly understand".
@ AJ777
Dio I have to post all the quotes contradicting you again? Sheesh. It's like debating a swamp. Whatever you put in comes out coated with goop and unrecognisable.
"In Christianity, ones destiny is not determined by ones works."
So much for free will, or morality for that matter.
AJ777,
"In Christianity, ones destiny is not determined by ones works."
If works don't get you into the golden cube why do one's sins (works) get him tossed into the lake of fire? If I was a mass murderering lying thief cannibal but believed in Jesus and went to church and prayed would I get into the golden cube or tossed into the lake of fire?
@AJ777
"In Christianity, ones destiny is not determined by ones works."
I agree on that statement, but it is also incredibly damning on this faith. According to christianity Hitler is up in heaven. Don't you see how incredibly fucked up that is?
@ AJ777
I don't think you really are a christian ....ot at least you haven't read the NT...just a taste there are many more...
James 2:14-17
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
James 2:26
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
Colossians 3:23-24
Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men, knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward. You are serving the Lord Christ.
Galatians 6:9
And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up
Hebrews 13:16
Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.
James 2:18
But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
1 Timothy 6:17-19
As for the rich in this present age, charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy. They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, thus storing up treasure for themselves as a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is truly life.
2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
I wont wait for a response...LOL...aren't you tired of taking pot shots at your own foot?
Old man shouts,
you clearly don’t understand the Christian gospel. In Christianity salvation is by faith alone, but not by faith that is alone. The works are the evidence or fruit of salvation. Just as the fruit of a tree is evidence the tree is alive. This is what separates Christianity from other religions.
Philippians 3:9 ESV
And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith—
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Galatians 2:16 ESV
Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Romans 3:28 ESV
For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Romans 5:1 ESV
Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 4:5 ESV
And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
Romans 4:3 ESV
For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”
@ AJ777
You really cannot read can you...or if you can read you don't comprehend...or think for yourself. Look at all the quotes about 'good works" and you come up with a denial and quotes about the Law?? Really? Are you sure you are a christian?
James 2:18
But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,
Titus 2:7
Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity,
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Titus 3:8
The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people.
Matthew 25:31-46
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, ...
Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,
The point is AJ, the bible cant be relied on to say anything without contradicting itself. We can have a quote war anytime and all it will do is prove my point, that the bible is an unreliable instrument on which to build your life.
All that you’re proving is you don’t understand the basic tenets of Protestant Christianity.
@ AJ777
Well you seem to be making it up as you go along. Or belong to a very small niche cult as very little of what you believe is mainstream...and you even contradict the gospels! LOL....Maybe thats harsh...no, like most cultists you cherry pick the verses you want to reinforce your beliefs.
Now, we are getting a handle on you....
@AJ777
Sooooo.... YOUR particular little sect/denomination of Christianity is right. And alllllllllllllllllllllll the other thousands of Christian sects/denominations are not true Christians. You and the chosen few of your cozy little group have a free ticket getting you through the Pearly Gates, while all the followers of all those other crackpot blasphemous "Christian" groups are headed straight for the ol' eternal fire pit.... Check.... Okay, got it. Glad we got that cleared up.
"All that you’re proving is you don’t understand the basic tenets of Protestant Christianity."
I don't understand unicorn husbandry either, I'm pretty sure that tells us nothing about it's validity.
Protestants often argue among themselves about "faith" vs "works". I don't think you understand them either.
AJ777: "All that you’re proving is you don’t understand the basic tenets of Protestant Christianity."
Virtually nothing to understand. As with all Christendom, you believe and go to heaven, or you don't and die and burn in hell forever.
Ain't nothing else to understand.
7734, the same goes for Islam.
rmfr
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