my theology lecturer at school made this website a little while ago, and is cocky about it, to the point where he literally takes the questions he receives and answers them in class in front of everyone, as a lesson. please send some stuff his way, whoever knows some good stuff that they don't hav
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Pick a question or 2 you want answered and post it here and people will happy to destroy it for ya.
As for the whole site, it is simply just unsupported opinion.
there isn't a question that he asks, it's a website where he receives questions that he reviews in front of the class, so I came here in hopes that someone will send him a really hard one that can't be answered and he will stumble
even better if I record when it happens, that's like my goal
like I don't know what to ask, whatever I ask it will sound stupid, ppl here are familiar w/ debates so naturally I came here
aes256,
"like I don't know what to ask"
Ask him what the real Ten Commandments are. If he says the ones in Exodus chapter 20 he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. The real ones are in Exodus 34:12-28.
There is only one question: Your teacher is being dishonest. You need to ask him "How his god negates the null hypothesis." "What is the evidence for his version of god? The burden of proof is not on you. No one can prove or disprove an unfalsifiable claim.
@ aes256
It's a horrible website with godawful muzak playing, so annoying! I'll cme up with something for you...
ty man
You can always ask why is the Old testament god obsessed with foreskins? Just google "god wants foreskins" from Ishmael, Moses to 1 Samuel (where god demands 100 foreskins but gets 2000)...god certainly seems to have a thing about male genital mutilation.
Should give your class a guilty laugh when he answers.
I just went to the site with my tablet on mute ( thanks for the heads up about the muzak, Old Man). "Let the bird fly", huh? The bird is a vulture. Or the bird is...
https://youtu.be/9Gc4QTqslN4
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lol, that's a funny video xD
btw you should have a consulate in norway, many of us here
Dunno what religion / god version this guy is going with, but you can start with, as it works with all omnipotent "god" ideas:
If your god is all powerful, all good and all knowing, why is there evil in the world?
Usually they will respond with something that breaks one of the 3 above, and you can go from there.
Another one I like that works for all religions is:
Explain why you dismiss all other gods, and those are the same reasons I dismiss yours.
I am sure many other folks can come up with plenty more good questions, or if you want more, just let me know.
Here is the problem. Atheism is not a position and it makes no assertions. (Atheism does not say, "God does not exist.") Atheism is a response to the assertion that "God Exists." ("We don't believe you.") If an atheist makes an assertion "God does not exist." then he or she is accepting the burden of proof. The problem inherent in this position is that the concept of God is non-falsifiable. An atheist properly prepared would be able to hold his own in a debate against any theology but in the end the two participants are arguing "Do invisible magical beings actually exist." This is a silly idea from its beginning.
Your teacher is "Shifting the Burden of Proof." This is a logical fallacy. He shits it when he asks his students to prove god does not exist. This is intellectually, ethically and morally dishonest. Your teacher should be teaching you the very information contained in this post so that you can understand logic and critical thinking.
What we do know about religion is that the religious side has produced no evidence for the existence of god for 10,000 years that can stand up to critical inquiry. The null hypothesis is true (There is no reason to believe anything until it has been proved. (Until you disprove the null hypothesis.) The religious must disprove the null hypothesis by showing actual evidence for the existence of a god. No connection, no existence, no correlation, no anything can be assumed until the null hypothesis is disproved. The religious have not PROVED the existence of god. (They have not disproved the null hypothesis).
Your teacher is being dishonest. He invites all arguments against god in his smuggery, but like anyone who has passed philosophy 101, he knows that a non-falsifiable concept (GOD) can not be falsified any more than it can be proved. In short, your teacher is being a pedantic ass who gets his kicks by playing mental games with a bunch of teens thereby proving how much smarter he is than that a class of teens.
POST THIS.
Your teacher is a complete, dishonest, ass. If you do not understand the null-hypothesis after my explanation, just post a question and ask for an explanation. Perhaps someone else can state it clearer.
SO HERE COMES THE QUESTION:
How has the concept of god met its burden of proof? (In short: prove your god is real.)
This shifts the burden of proof back on him. Now you will get, arguments from experience, arguments from morality, arguments from design and a whole lot of other crap that has been disproved for hundreds and hundreds of years. You need to keep the burden of proof where it belongs, on your professor.
Does he take Noah's ark literally? If so, we have:
...A story that traces back to ancient Sumeria, one written to justify the authority of kings rather than to make a moral point. The idea that thousands of animals could be cared for over a whole year in a rocking, dank, poorly lit, poorly ventilated, disease-ridden, roach-loaded, rat-infested, undermanned ark -- given that several modern zoos with infinitely more space, fresh air, good lighting, sufficient personnel, unlimited supplies of fresh food and clean water, modern technology, electrical power, and expertise can’t accomplish as much -- is plainly ludicrous! Don't forget about the dinosaurs, of which there were many types, nor those huge, archaic mammals some of whom were as big as dinosaurs!
Imagine poor Noah and his mighty crew of 7 constantly shoveling out all the poop and bailing out the water that would be constantly leaking into a wooden ship of that size. Then there is all that accumulating methane, due to decomposing poop, a deadly gas to breathe in those cramped quarters--and oh so explosive! Forget about using lanterns for light deep down in the ark. Just how many animals would remain healthy under those conditions? Identifying their illnesses and tending them in pitch-black conditions would be a hopeless affair. Every bucket of poop, and of sea water, would have to be hauled to the top of the ark where those windows are.
Then, those poor animals, no doubt half-dead if they were lucky, are dumped on top of a muddy, barren, volcanic peak, from which they somehow make their way to all parts of the world without dying of hunger or being eaten by their starved, meat-eating companions.
I suppose a believer could conjure up one heavenly miracle after another to patch up all the holes. But this can't be sold as science! It also makes God look kind of stupid. He goes to exotic lengths to put bandages all over this decrepit plan when he only needed to temporarily give those animals a touch of superpower to survive the flood. God is omnipotent, isn't he? Why would he make himself look like an idiot? Clearly, Noah's flood is part of Bronze Age mythology.
Anyone who actually thinks that it can be defended scientifically, and some idiots have certainly tried, is so out of touch with reality as to suggest that there is no common ground for a rational debate. If you really think that 8 people can outperform several modern zoos under those difficult conditions, then you have totally lost it!
Greensnake,
"Does he take Noah's ark literally?"
The Noah story is simply a war story that uses flowery language and a ton of metaphors. But it is a historical fact that ancient people, such as the Carthaginians and the Romans, did load large animals on wooden ships from Africa and sail them to Europe. Hannibal moved elephants. The Romans moved all kinds of large animals from Africa to Italy. They ate some, like giraffes, and slaughtered others by the thousands in the arenas. Now imagine the logistical system for doing that on a routine basis.
Now the Noah story is 100% elephant crap. However, it is a historical fact that ancient people did capture and transport all kinds of exotic animals on their rather tiny wooden ships. And they kept them alive while doing it. How many elephants, crocodiles, giraffes, hippos, rhinos, lions, buffaloes, hyenas, and leopards can you load onto a typical First Century wooden ship at one time?
http://www.tribunesandtriumphs.org/colosseum/wild-animals-at-the-colosse...
Just sent one about slavery being immoral, yet god gives us morals, so why in exodus 21 it condones immoral behavior talking like slavery is fine. I'd like to be in your class to see him explain that one. :)
doG,
"Just sent one about slavery being immoral, yet god gives us morals, so why in exodus 21 it condones immoral behavior talking like slavery is fine. I'd like to be in your class to see him explain that one. :)"
According to the biblical fairy tale slavery is A-OK because the Gentiles will be the slaves to the Jews.
As it says in Isaiah 14:1-2 (CEB) = "The Lord will have compassion on Jacob, will again choose Israel, and will give them rest in their own land. Immigrants will join them, and attach themselves to the house of Jacob. 2 The peoples will take them and will bring them to their own place. The house of Israel will possess them as male and female slaves in the Lord’s land, making captives of their captors and ruling their oppressors."
In the Jewish Babylonian Talmud each Jew will get 2,800 Gentile slaves in the afterlife.
Shabbath 32b = "Resh Lakish said: He who is observant of fringes will be privileged to be served by two thousand eight hundred slaves, for it is said, Thus saith the Lord of hosts: In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold, out of all the languages of the nations shall even take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you, etc.14"
*Footnote 14 = "Zech. VIII, 23, 'Skirt' is regarded as referring to the fringe (cf. n. 2.). There are four fringes, and traditionally there are seventy languages: we thus have 70 X 10 X 4 = 2800. "
http://www.come-and-hear.com/shabbath/shabbath_32.html
@ Dio
I was told by a hasidic Jew it was 1600 slaves? And I also heard from a Rabbi that it was 2,800...why the difference, or was one just spinning shite at me?
Old man shouts ...,
"I was told by a hasidic Jew it was 1600 slaves? And I also heard from a Rabbi that it was 2,800...why the difference, or was one just spinning shite at me?"
According to the Jewish Babylonian Talmud it's 2,800 slaves. Now you don't have to believe it but other people do and they actively work to make it happen.
Talmudic Jews 'Non Jews Goyim Are Beasts to Serve Us as Slaves'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPGQ-iB7mcY
@ Dio
Oh I believe that your sources are accurate I just wondered why the difference? And was there more than one source to account for disparity. I don't study talmudic traditions or much of the Torah ( my brain is full of 1st and 2nd century "christian" stuff) so I was just asking for guidance on this.
Old man shouts ...,
"Oh I believe that your sources are accurate I just wondered why the difference? And was there more than one source to account for disparity."
I'm not familiar with the claim about 1,600 slaves. What is of concern is the claim that they will be rewarded with slaves of any number. If a person is indoctrinated with that belief then he may well spend his life establishing systems that make it a reality. The Talmud says 2,400. If it said 1 it would still be disgusting.
Agreed the entire philosophy of the inheritance of the jews is disgusting. . Ah well looks like the hasidics can lie or at least get things wrong. Thanks for that.
I sent a question about why is the Bible a collection of plagiarized exact copies of older myths and legends. Some thousands of years older than the Bible.
rmfr
I sent him "If free will is the byproduct of sin, and there's no sin in heaven, then there's no free will in heaven"
And the hilarious thing is that he'll supposedly respond back in 24 hours ahahahah I can't wait to hear.
@aes256
Here's my question:
Various animal species practice interspecies altruism:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/goodness-sake/201610/animal-altr...
Do animals have souls and free will, too?
( Your teacher will try to deny animals practise altruism at all, so I found you a good example that can't be called anything but interspecies altruism. Animal moral behaviour and gratitious animal suffering fucks apologists right up, I've found.)
What sort of school is this? Public or private? If private, is it xtian? What level is it? High school, college?
I’m not sure I quite get why, as a non-atheist, are you coming here for this. Haven’t you sufficient knowledge of why you believe what you do to undermine his rhetoric? If not, why not?
@Cyber
Her profile says she's an atheist. Perhaps she's a young atheist stuck in a Christian family/Christian high school? If she's grown up in this environment, the questioning itself will be new to her, Cyber. She's reached the stage where she smells a rat, but needs to help to locate the rat. Coming up with the questions herself might just be a bridge too far for her right now.
Hmmm....I checked before I posted my question. Apologies if I erred or Congrats to aes256 if she’s changed her mind. :-)
I just noticed this poster’s gender has now been changed.
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