Taxation as Theft
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Children have always worked on the farms their parents worked on, its just that with the industrial revolution, they began working more in factories, but even as late as 1920, most Americans lived on farms.
There are levels of economic freedom- we have always been capitalist, but we only had straight up lassiez faire for about 50 years.
Of course not having any kind of governing oversight is bad- no one has denied that. The issue is with that governing body being composed if unelected bureaucrats who are not only judge, jury, and executioner, but also get to write the laws. I believe that Congress should write up the regulations, and that they should only serve to protect our liberties.
The US don't have a laissez faire market, it never has, and it probably never will. No one wants such a thing, even the nutters who claim they do.
That is commonly argued for by the caveman capitalists.
"Someone's skin colour and economic position shouldn't dictate what is wrong or right."
Correct, I accept your apology.
"Not one corporation, but more (beauty of the free market). The private corporations has the only aim of profits. This is done by having the consumer's best interest at heart."
Yes, it is a tantalizing ideal, and it would be wonderful if that's the way it really, really was. But: 1. conglomerates and umbrella corps, get bigger and bigger and gobble up all the smaller businesses; and 2. the profits are attained by controlling the market and the media and telling the consumer what is in their best interest.
I remember so many independent candy companies from when I was a kid. All the delicious choices out there. You know who owns them all now? Three companies who work together to keep the market the way they like it. And the chocolate doesn't even taste right any more.
1. "Correct, I accept your apology." - That wasn't an apology...
2. "the profits are attained by controlling the market and the media and telling the consumer what is in their best interest." - Which, if they own some media, is their right, because they own it.
3. "gobble up all the smaller businesses" - What do you mean by gobble up?
4. "Three companies who work together to keep the market the way they like it." - What's your problem?
5. "And the chocolate doesn't even taste right any more." - Then start your own business, or finance some one else's.
The same has happened with the meat industry, its because unnecessary regulations act to give larger companies an unfair advantage over smaller ones. Were the power to regulate commerse given back to Congress, and limited only to that which is necessary to preserve our natural rights, the outcome would be very different.
Thanks, myk. I had honestly never met a non-middle to upper class Libertarian until recently, and so the whole "they have never had to pay for it" idea was what I was always operating on.
But I have met a handful of people in the last year who are don't fit the usual profile. These are people who would feel the effects of a Libertarian "utopia" worse than those well-to-do would folks would feel them. One in particular I spend a lot of work time with, and when I ask him to explain why he thinks this way he regurgitates talking points that I've heard before, but which don't do anything to help him.
He is a public servant as I am, he would be without a job, but he still spouts their rhetoric. He's not a stupid person at all, so I blame education, or the lack thereof. Or actually, I blame MISeducation, a systematic and intentional manipulation of education, information availability, and advertising.
Right; in a perverse way: getting people to oppose their own interests is a major accomplishment.
If one studies American history, taxes were only supposed to be temporary. The early American government began to realize that when no one was complaining about the continuance of taxes, they kept taxing people.
Infidel Savant where did you get the idea that taxes were to be temporary? Do you have a source?
I am enjoying the pomposity of the 4 inch corn cob. His ignorance is only matched by his gullibility. He is choking swallower of talking points and I am guessing is only in his early 20s with no real life experience and has led a coddled unchallenged existence. How else to explain his sophomoric cognition.
Well, you have guessed wrong as you do about everything that I have read that you have posted. Isn't it interesting that you can't debate an issue. You are on the wrong side of the issue so you don't have anything to add, so you make personal attacks.
I am 59 will be 60 very soon. I am a retired Marine. I have a Masters degree. I have been a great many places in the world. I have owned my own business since 2002. I'd match my IQ against yours any day.
You should reread your posts, you are the master of personal attacks. I do not lower myself to interacted with such uneducated individuals in debates. It is like reasoning with a Christian or arguing with a child. There is little difference between your magical thinking and theirs. Your IQ is at best one standard deviation above average. Semper Fi.
I only retaliate K Frame. The thing is that I have tried many times to reason with conservatives. Some have the capacity to actually talk. Most do not. They embark on false anger and indignation as if a Liberal has no right to speak. You came to this forum and from your very first post, you just insulted.
If you want a reasoned discussion, I will have one with you. I don't think that is what you want. As far as IQ goes, I have been Mensan for over 15 years. The reason I didn't join Mensa earlier was the fact that I didn't think that I would qualify. I finally took the online test and found that I squeaked by and barely made it. I realise that many on this forum are far better educated and quite a bit more intelligent than I or ever hope to be. I do know that I have a capacity to learn that exceeds most people walking around today. One factor in my favor is that I don't accept propaganda. I don't digest talking points from politicos that have an agenda. I totally reject FOX and the Clear Channel. I check the sources that I do accept.
You say that you don't "lower yourself" but that is exactly what you have done. You didn't seek to engage, you just started out flame throwing.
Notice that I have not insulted you on this thread. Nor do I intend to.
Have you contributed anything to this thread? NO! Have you insulted on this thread? YES!
I don't know what to tell you. I don't think you want anything but a fight.
If you are my brother (Semper Fi) know that many of our brothers are Liberals. I use to face prejudices in the USMC because I am an atheist. The diversity within the Corps is vast and numbered. I never had a political problem in the Corps. Many were hardcore conservative and many were hard left progressives. We all did our job and got along. We watched each other's backs no matter their religion or political affiliation. The statement that all Marines are conservative is as much a myth as "there are no atheists in foxholes."