THOUGHTS?

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Wed, 10/18/2017 - 17:00

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ

THOUGHTS?

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Thu, 10/19/2017 - 01:19

Sky Pilot

Would to people who want it

Would to people who want it to stay be OK with symbols of other religions at similar sites?

If they really believed in the biblical fairy tale they wouldn't litter the countryside with their religious artifacts.

Exodus 34:13 (CEB) = "You must tear down their altars, smash their sacred stone pillars, and cut down their sacred poles."

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 06:20

(Reply to #2) #3

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ

I never have and never will

I never have and never will care about other religious symbols. Only atheists get offended by that.

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 13:46

(Reply to #3) #4

Sheldon

"I never have and never will

"I never have and never will care about other religious symbols. Only atheists get offended by that."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/isis-grand-mosque-al-nuri-blow-u...

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 14:23

(Reply to #4) #5

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ

Fine, correction: Only

Fine, correction: Only atheists and terrorists lol

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 14:31

(Reply to #5) #6

Sheldon

I love it when you resort to

I love it when you resort to knee jerk deflection because of facts that roundly contradict your prejudiced theistic verbiage. ISIS are theists, perhaps you didn't know this when you posted that absurd lie, but I doubt it. The difference is that atheists are defending people's constitutional rights with reasoned argument, whereas theists like ISIS are blowing up religious symbols they don't like and murdering those who disagree with them.

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 14:33

(Reply to #6) #7

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ

Parse the constitution for me

Parse the constitution for me then.

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 14:41

(Reply to #7) #8

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ

Hey don't blame me. No one

Hey don't blame me. No one forced you to use ISIS as you example.

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 14:47

(Reply to #8) #9

Sheldon

Blame? Force? The example is

Blame? Force? The example is a perfectly obvious a direct refutation of your absurdly stupid and dishonest claim:

"Thu, 10/19/2017 - 06:20 (Reply to #2)Permalink
John 6IX Breezy
I never have and never will care about other religious symbols. ***Only atheists get offended by that."***

Your attempt at deflection with this non-sequitur as usual is fooling no one. It's always funny to watch you thrash about though.

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 20:00

(Reply to #9) #10

Nyarlathotep

@Sheldon

In Breezy World™, all doesn't mean all, every doesn't mean every, and apparently never doesn't mean never.

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 20:40

(Reply to #10) #11

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ

Well Nazis have also been

I mean already agreed that you're right. I forgot Nazis have also been known to destroy monuments. So I guess Atheists and ISIS are in good company.

Sat, 10/21/2017 - 04:17

(Reply to #11) #12

Sheldon

"I forgot Nazis have also

"I forgot Nazis have also been known to destroy monuments. So I guess Atheists and ISIS are in good company."

You know that Nazis Germany was overwhelmingly christian right, mainly protestant? All SS soldiers were required to swear their oath before god, and had god with us emboldened on their belt buckles. Nazism was also endorsed by a concordat with the RCC, and churches all over Germany , both catholic and protestant, celebrated Hitler's birthday in a special mass every year util his death.

Incidentally atheists have destroyed nothing, they have used the law to object to someone breaking the law, you're lying here again. Isn't there a commandment against that? Christians have destroyed Mosques and burned synagogues and have sacked entire cities in the name of their religion. can you can site some atheist doctrine or dogma that has been used to justify such behaviour? Meanwhile Christians used their religion to justify the crusades, the inquisition, even the Holocaust was motivated by a virulent centuries long antisemitism. ISIS are still theists and their violence is motivated by their religious beliefs by the way, you seem to be ignoring this so I'll keep reminding you.

Sat, 10/21/2017 - 07:01

(Reply to #12) #13

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ

You act as if I care what

You act as if I care what Christians do. If they're wrong they're wrong. So I guess we can add crusaders, nazis, ISIS and atheists into the same sensitive group.

Any other group you wish to add?

Sat, 10/21/2017 - 07:29

(Reply to #13) #14

mykcob4

@Breezy

@Breezy
Now you are just being an asshole.

Sat, 10/21/2017 - 07:36

(Reply to #14) #15

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ

Fair enough. I'll retract.

Sat, 10/21/2017 - 08:55

(Reply to #15) #16

Sheldon

"You act as if I care what

"You act as if I care what Christians do."

Do I? I was just illustrating how dishonest your verbiage has become. like this rather pathetic attempt to compare atheists using the law to defend the rights of individuals with examples of theists justifying violence and murder from their religious beliefs. Just how these are comparable you have not made clear. Nor have you offered any evidence that atheist destroy religious symbols, though if you look hard enough I'm sure you can find an example and distort it into a rule.

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 01:22

#17

chimp3

Just more Christian torture

Just more Christian torture symbols celebrating their death cult.

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 02:53

#18

ZeffD

From the article: “Perhaps

From the article: “Perhaps the longer a violation persists, the greater the affront to those offended.” Unquote.

Not in this instance. I think the memorial probably made sense when the it was erected 50 years ago. It is more a historical relic than an affront to the US Constitution. Times change and I think it would be inappropriate to erect a cross or other religious symbol now. We can't ask the 49 men what they think and maybe they would have been quite happy to be called Christian and have this memorial.

"In God We Trust" is more of a problem on money and in law courts. That implies that the courts and money aren't equally the property of the superstitious, of non-believers and of believers in multi-gods.

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 05:51

#19

CyberLN

I like that alternatives were

I like that alternatives to tearing it down were offered (e.g. making it into an obelisk).

Fri, 10/20/2017 - 01:22

(Reply to #19) #20

Sky Pilot

In ancient Egypt the obelisk

In ancient Egypt the obelisk symbolized the sun god Ra. So now are we going to worship Ra?

Sat, 10/21/2017 - 06:41

(Reply to #20) #21

CyberLN

Point taken.

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 06:31

#22

xenoview

It's a violation of

It's a violation of separation of church and state. Either allow other religions to place holy symbols or tear it down.

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 06:38

(Reply to #22) #23

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ

It used to be the case that

It used to be the case that separation between those two entities meant something rather serious and specific. Such as the king of England being also the head of thr church of England. Or the pope gaining political power.

Saying a cross at a cemetery is a violation of that separation seems petty at best.

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 06:59

(Reply to #23) #24

Nyarlathotep

It's on a median at an

It's on a median at an intersection of public roads, not a cemetery.

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 13:48

(Reply to #24) #25

Sheldon

"Saying a cross at a cemetery

"Saying a cross at a cemetery is a violation of that separation seems petty at best."

I thought you didn't care?

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 09:36

#26

mykcob4

It is unconstitutional. The

It is unconstitutional. The people that erected that monument should be arrested, tried, and convicted FOR TREASON. When you use public land to display your religious belief, you are creating a government-sponsored religion. You are forcing others to obey your religious belief even though it is just symbolic....at this point. That is treason as it defies human/individual freedom, usurps the principles of the constitution. It is aiding and abetting enemies of the state.

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 09:38

(Reply to #26) #27

CyberLN

And if found guilty of

And if found guilty of treason, should those people receive the death penalty?

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 09:42

(Reply to #27) #28

mykcob4

@CberLN that is a job for the

@CyberLN that is a job for the courts to decide.

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 09:46

(Reply to #28) #29

CyberLN

I only asked because in the

I only asked because in the past you wrote, “I hold that the death penalty should be reserved for treason and nothing else.” so I was curious about that as applied to this situation.

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 10:03

(Reply to #29) #30

ʝօɦռ 6IX ɮʀɛɛʐʏ

If it's public land then do

If it's public land then does not the public reserved the right to decide?

Thu, 10/19/2017 - 10:08

(Reply to #30) #31

CyberLN

Isn’t the word ‘public’ all

Isn’t the word ‘public’ all-inclusive? Is a crucifix an all-inclusive symbol?

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