Was Jesus a real Historical figure or just a made up one?
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The fact is Sushi, that experts from your own ranks would be ashamed to call you their comrades if they knew the nonsense you guys spew in this site. You guys are quick to jump on the bandwagon with your pseudo scientist and prophets, the likes of Sam Harris, Dawkins and Hitchens. Prophets who sell their books to you because you are gullible and believe that because they are educated in one field of science, they are experts in all. Hermeneutics , exegesis and ancient manuscripts forensics are disciplines your prophets no nothing about. You don’t even question them nor bother to look to see if in fact the nonsense they are selling to you squares up with those who are experts in the fields and disciplines mentioned above. You knock Christian for believing without questioning and yet the painful reality is that you are all guilty of doing the same. Go check your facts before you speak so loudly about matters you know nothing about. This whole site is a joke and you guys should be ashamed.
Strawmen and ad homs from beginning to end. Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, which is "Was Jesus a Real Historical Figure or a Made Up One": FFS Inexorable! You should know that- it's your fucking thread/topic!
Kindly stay on topic and argue your position. If you can't- and the time it would have taken you to author the above irrelevant rubbish suggests the constraint on you ain't time, it's something else entirely (unless of course the above post is no more your own work than the YouTube video is ) - retire from the discussion. In short, shit or get off the pot.
Here's a thought: try stating your position. We've all been honest enough to state ours. What's stopping you?
Inex, you wrote, “The fact is Sushi, that experts from your own ranks would be ashamed to call you their comrades if they knew the nonsense you guys spew in this site.“
Please provide data to back up your assertion that this is a fact.
Luxury wine in 1st century Rome was from Greece where they used dried grapes to make it very sweet. It was then added to water just before serving to make it drinkable.
It was often reserved for special occassions such as weddings - like the one in Cana that Jesus attended.
Cyber LN, sending me links to your prophets is useless. Send me one of a true scholar like I did. One from your own ranks who disagrees with your prophets. I know a car mechanic who believes in God. Should I send you his link? I’m sure you would not accept it because he is not an expert!! Let’s talk real science not mumbo jumbo.
Irrelevant ad homs AGAIN! Once again, the topic is ""Was Jesus a Real Historical Figure or a Made Up One". Address the topic, Inexorable- it's your topic, you chose it.. State your position. Shit or get off the pot.
Sushi I sense frustration in your tone. The ease by which I put you all to shame shouldn’t be reason for frustration. My argument is simple and I have been stating it all along. You are all ignorant and brain washed to think there is no God. Your prophets have sold you books and you have made them rich. They are taking advantage of you and you are unwilling to concede to reason. Open your eyes, stop propagating the lies you have been sold and go do your research. On the topic of randomness your team lost, on the topic of the historicity of Jesus your team lost, on the topic of a distraught Michael your team lost. What else can I do to prove to you that your worldview is irrational? Don’t be stubborn! Just because you all had a bad experience with religion does not nullify the existence of God and you know it. You are all simply angry at Him and want to blame him for your wows. Repent and seek Him whole heartedly and you will find Him. This is my last statement to you all. Be safe.
Your argument is non-existent, it's you that's simple. Demonstrate some objective evidence for a deity, or your trolling insults just bead up and roll off...I don't believe a deity is real until proper evidence is demonstrated, in fact I'm extremely dubious that you believe it. Very few people are as stupid as your posts imply, unless it's a deliberate act, though of course there are some...
And like that, he was gone, sock puppets and all. Unable to contribute anything relevant to his own thread, he ran. Let’s look at what he’s written:
“Sushi I sense frustration in your tone.” Yep. Dishonesty frustrates me.
“ My argument is simple and I have been stating it all along”. Nope. Inexorable asserted god exists and ranted that atheists are stupid, over and over again. That’s all. He offered no definition of his god, let alone evidence for it.
“ Open your eyes, stop propagating the lies you have been sold and go do your research.” How I wish I had a dollar for every time a theist has assumed I haven’t done my ‘research’! Like many atheists, I’ve actually read the bible and know more about Christianity than many Christians do.
“ On the topic of randomness your team lost...” Irrelevant to this topic/thread.
“...on the topic of the historicity of Jesus your team lost...” Inexorable refused to discuss the historicity of Jesus, despite authoring the thread. He posted a video instead of an argument. He didn’t state his position. He ran away.
“...on the topic of a distraught Michael your team lost.” Irrelevant to this topic/thread.
“What else can I do to prove to you that your worldview is irrational?” Well, he could have tried actually establishing I even have a ‘worldview’, defined what he believed it was, and made evidenced arguments against it. Hell, he even could have tried asking me how I see the world instead telling me. There’s a thought!
“ Just because you all had a bad experience with religion does not nullify the existence of God and you know it.” The claim that all atheists had a bad experience with religion and rejected god. An oldie but a goodie. Never mind it’s demonstrably false. Note Inexorable delivered it like a drive by shooter delivers a bullet. Fire and get the fuck out of there. This is because he knows it’s a fallacy as well as I do.
“ You are all simply angry at Him and want to blame him for your wows.” Please see above. This is the same fallacy - angry atheists rejecting god/religion. And I’ve never blamed god for my wows. Or my woes, either. I can’t blame something I don’t believe exists. It’s a logic issue.
And finally we have “ Repent and seek Him whole heartedly and you will find Him. This is my last statement to you all. Be safe.” Which is straight proselytisation followed by a graceless get away.
So. Let’s rate Inexorable’s efforts:
Ad hominems 10/10
Compelling arguments –10/10
Level of preparation-10/10
Overall presentation -10/10
Additional comments: A disappointing result from a disappointing debater. Not one of the better efforts we have seen from theists here at Atheist Republic. Other theists establish their position and argue it to the best of their ability, strongly but respectfully, including offering evidence they personally find compelling. Inexorable was apparently incapable of this. Sad.
Edit: Oh! I forgot!
Holy shit, Sushi! You have me cracking up with that review. That was outstanding! LMAO (Very professionally done, too, I might add.)
@Inex Re: "This is my last statement to you all."
I hope he meant it. If I was a praying woman, I'd pray he meant it, but since I'd only be praying to myself the consequences of him not meaning it would fall on yours truly, so I'd have to deal with it/him - and I'm too busy with our uniforms.
@Sushi Re: Uniforms
Yeah, uniforms definitely take priority right now. Speaking of which, do I need to buy cleats or roller skates?
Both. And water wings.
* Launches into chorus of 'Ain't No Mountain High Enough'*
@Sushi Re: "Both. And water wings."
Alright!!! And I just recently bought a new set of Donald Duck arm floaties. Finally get to put them to use. Oh.... wait.... Hmmm... I guess I need to stock up on some WD40 and 3-n-1 Oil now. *scratching chin*
Re: I guess I need to stock up on some WD40 and 3-n-1 Oil now. *scratching chin*
Oh...shit...*clears throat loudly* TEAM! The first team building activity will be building a raft.
"You are all ignorant and brain washed to think there is no God."
Why do you think that Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies, is the real deal God in all of the universe?
We’re on a team now? I didn’t get my uniform yet.
Remember the Star Trek uniforms? The uniforms are like that, but not as clingy or short- more slouchy, loose and comfortable. Ok. They're track suits. Summer and Winter weight track suits.
Yay! I wanna be #25!
Okie dokie. Noted. #25-CyberLN. Done! :-D
is XXXXL size available?hehe..
i'll be #20 ma'am sush...
Absolutely, Quasi! XXXXL #20 it is! Any colour preference? Damn! I forgot all about colour preferences. I can promise you all none of the uniforms are orange - it isn't the new black, it's bloody orange. No orange!
i was thinking about orange though...(*clearing throat)
anyway...i like blue, like what cpt. kirk is wearing, makes me feel i'm on the bridge of the spaceship.
red is for the engineers right? on the lower deck?
Aren’t red-shirts the ones who always get killed?
Only if they're Christians, Cyber. :-)
I'm thinking blue, too, Quasi. Or green. Maybe camouflage green, so I can sneak off and hide in the bush if there's any team sports like tunnel ball on the agenda. Or any competitive sports against biblical literalist Christians. One of us always loses an eye when we beat them.
i like red though..makes it looks like i'm not wounded. avoiding taking advantage of my wounds..
scotty didn't die...he actually saved them. he's on red shirt though..
christians will really try to stab you in the back when you're on top of the pedestal from winning the debate...
they'll use their magic or praying like what jesus christ did. weeping blood just to take their side...
@Q Re: "i like red though..makes it looks like i'm not wounded. avoiding taking advantage of my wounds.."
Well, with that in mind, I would like to request brown pants. You know.... Just in case....
(HEY! There is nothing wrong with getting a little scared sometimes.... DON'T JUDGE ME!)
I want #13. Size large, please! By the way, what will the official team name be?