Was Jesus a real Historical figure or just a made up one?

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@Tin Man

@Tin Man
"By the way, what will the official team name be?"

I don't know! Perhaps we need a team name thread to come up with one?

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@ Sushi

@ Sushi
Re Uniforms I want the gold Braid with wide cuffs, a fore and aft hat, buckled shoes and gusseted magic undies.

If you could also vote me Captain/Boss/Coach/Dictator that would be great.

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@ Sushi

@ Sushi
Re Uniforms I want the gold Braid with wide cuffs, a fore and aft hat, buckled shoes and gusseted magic undies.

If you could also vote me Captain/Boss/Coach/Dictator that would be great.

Sushisnake's picture
@Old Man

@Old Man
And you shall have gold Braid with wide cuffs, a fore and aft hat, buckled shoes and gusseted magic undies, Old Man! The Captain/Boss/Coach/Dictator insignia is stock standard on all the uniforms. We're all equals here. When we need a primus inter pares, we draw straws. The one with the short straw wins.

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@ Sushisnake

@ Sushisnake

Primus inter pares...hoo boy stap me the classics again! Oooooh and a very large ostrich or emu feather in the hat...from consenting emus/ostrich of course.

Done deal!

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@Old Man

@Old Man

Our ostriches and emus are in the studio RIGHT NOW waiting for your call!

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LogicFTW's picture
No response from "Inexorable

No response from "Inexorable again" on my post.

Sad face. :(

Seems like lots of theist folks do not respond to my postings.

Perhaps my postings are not combative enough?

I am certainly not arrogant enough to think my postings are so "good" that they have no rebuttal from the theist group. But then, what are we left with? It seems to me one way or another, it seems theist do not want to debate with me on a debate board. So what do you think readers, should I make my postings more controversial? Perhaps I am too long winded? If its more then a few lines it is tldr for theist?

Sushisnake's picture
You didn't miss much, Logic.

You didn't miss much, Logic. Even when he did respond, it was AT you rather than TO you. Inexorable was only here to insult and Gish gallop all over atheists, no other reason. Turned out he wasn't even interested in talking about his own saviour, despite starting a thread on the subject.

Theists don't respond to my posts a lot of the time either. I think it's because quite often they're not here to talk to us, they're here to proselytise. I doubt they even notice our replies are there, let alone read them. We're not the target audience - they know there may be religious doubters out there, reading the threads, as well as we do.

Please don't go all combative and provocative. It's not you, and theists like Inexorable would latch onto it as 'proof' of atheism's mythical nastiness. Remember we're supposedly angry creatures who hate god because we had a bad time in a religion.

LogicFTW's picture
I wont go combative and

I wont go combative and provocative :)

Although I will admit I was trying to provoke a response of some sort from theist with that post just incase they do actually read it ;)

Sushisnake's picture
@Logic

@Logic
I think I can hear Inex out there in the dark and the cold, running around the dark, empty streets crowing "I won! I won!" Singing his balls off, with nobody listening.

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@Sushi Re: Inex

@Sushi Re: Inex

Yeah, he reminds me of Charlie Zelenoff. Self-proclaimed boxing champion who constantly gets his ass kicked but talks shit and claims victory every time. If you've never seen him, look him up on YouTube. He's an idiot. lol

Sky Pilot's picture
Inexorable again,

Inexorable again,

"Was Jesus a real Historical figure or just a made up one?"

The name "Jesus" didn't exist until about 1630 A.D. so Jesus is just a fictional character used to sell the religion of resurrection.

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Diotrephes,

Diotrephes,

A lot of names get translated into new languages. That doesn't render the original person's life nonexistent! As for the resurrection, the pagans had sold that concept long before the Gospels were written! The whole Jesus thing is loaded with pagan sun god symbols and related trappings, of which the Catholic Church is an excellent example.

Sky Pilot's picture
Greensnake,

Greensnake,

"A lot of names get translated into new languages. That doesn't render the original person's life nonexistent!"

One thing you may have noticed about the biblical stories is that the major characters don't have Jewish sounding names like the minor characters do. That is a subtle way of altering the story. It's basically lying.

Dave Matson's picture
There is not enough evidence
  • There is not enough evidence to call Jesus an historical figure.
  • There is enough plausibility to say that a very human man behind the story might have lived.
  • ......If there was a man behind the story, his message is now lost in layers of later doctrines.
  • We can't safely rule out the possibility that no one was behind the story, that the whole story evolved out of pagan religion.
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Was inexorable again a real

Was inexorable again a real apologist figure, or just a made up one? :P

Tin-Man's picture
@doG Re: "Was inexorable

@doG Re: "Was inexorable again a real apologist figure, or just a made up one? "

He never really existed. He was an illusion. A figment of your imagination. We were all just suffering from a case of mass hysteria and delusion. The last couple of days have been really hazy. Where am I?

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@doG

@doG
If he was a real apologist he was a poor apology for one. Hope he doesn't give up his day job.

arakish's picture
Well, looks like Inexorable

Well, looks like Inexorable Again has left with his tail between his legs to lick his wounds. Shame. But if he does come back, I want him to see this post.

IA, I have been doing research into the authenticity of Bible. Old Testament and New Testament. I actually began doing this research from a viewpoint of "I want to prove the Bible is correct in everything that is in it." I went into this research with that viewpoint because I did not want to bias my research one way or the other.

However, I have found one severe problem with ALL of my research during the last ten years (not a solid ten years). I have yet to find anything where any story in the Bible was NOT plagiarized from much older myths and legends. Some dating back to more than a 1000 to 2000 years before the supposed events of the Exodus.

Just for one example: The Noahacian Flood Story. According to all Bible scholars, the story of Noah occurred sometime in 2400 to 2200 BCE (about 4200 years ago). However, there is an ancient clay tablet dating back to 3000 to 2900 BCE that mentions a "Ziusudra" having survived a “catastrophic flood." And yes, it does say "catastrophic" and not "global."

As Old Man has posted, the earliest records of there being a Yeshua (Jesus) only date back to about 150 to 180 CE. This means that Yeshua (Jesus) did not exist until over a century after he was supposedly crucified.

Thus, as Old Man says, crawl back to where you dug yourself up from. Although I have not in the past five years, I have traveled to other countries do some of my research. Instead of taking a vacation, I took a vacation from my paying job to do some work I ain't getting paid for.

And another point. Did you know that the earliest historical items referencing the "Hebrews" in all of Egypt only dates back to about 900 to 800 BCE? That is at least 500 years after the supposed Exodus.

Now who are the experts? I ain't one. I'll be first to admit I ain't an expert. However, I do know how to hunt down actual evidence.

rmfr

P.S.- For a test, what do the initials "BCE" and "CE" mean?

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@ Arakish

@ Arakish
"And another point. Did you know that the earliest historical items referencing the "Hebrews" in all of Egypt only dates back to about 900 to 800 BCE? That is at least 500 years after the supposed Exodus."

Really? now that is interesting! Any more info on that please?

arakish's picture
That has come about from my

That has come about from my research into ancient Egyptian antiquities. I have yet to find any Egyptian writings that mention "Hebrews" before 900 BCE. The Exodus supposedly happened in 1440 to 1400 BCE.

Give me some time to find some on the WWW. Most of what I have is from books, stone tablets, and stone walls from museum curators in Cairo from about 25 years ago (when it was kind of safer to travel for Americans).

rmfr

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