What will be your fate as an atheist when if after death, you discover God exist and Hell also does exist? Will you be mad at yourself, or what will you be like?
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which god and which hell? No, because if this god values faith over evidence, then I'll rather go to hell with the rest of the interesting and free-thinking people.
Question to you, what if god and hell exist, but not the one that you believe in, will you be mad at yourself, or what will you be like?
So, you do believe there is a God? If not, why the question if I found out that god exist and hell does and its not the one I believe in? Hmmm. Don't you think you should just enjoy life as a believer? Hmmm :)
again, believer in which god? Because you might be a believer in the Christian god, but maybe a god does exist but NOT the Christian god and this god sends people to hell for not believing in the right god, because as Christian doctrine states, if you don't accept Jesus as your lord and savior, hell awaits you. That includes believers of other religions, including innocent people, children specifically, that was born and raised in a non-Christian theistic household.
If the God that you’re referring to is the God of the Bible, Yahweh, then I would be glad that I had not worshiped him, even if I were to discover he does exist.
His followers claim that the Jews are His “Chosen People”, but they never give a straight, forward answer when a skeptic asks “Then why did He allow 6 million of them to die in the Holocaust”?
He is said to be “all-powerful and all-knowing”, yet he allows thousands, maybe even more, innocent babies and small children to die each year. And, when this fact is stated, God’s followers say that it is all “a part of his plan”.
His followers say that their God is “an all-loving God”, but in the same breathe, they will tell you “all non-believers will burn forever in Hell”. But, imagine, someone living in a part of the world where Christianity is not a major religion. In fact, they've never been told about Yahweh or Jesus Christ at all. Is it still reasonable for a loving God to still send them to Hell?
I can honestly go on and on with this, but I think my point is clearly stated. Even if God is real, especially the God of the Bible, there is no justification to worship him.
I've said this before here on this forum....the saying Why did God allow some evil to happen to someone or some people isn't because he not God...but imagine when you say because there are mad men on the street with bushy hairs means there is no barber in that town... Will the barber chase mad men about to get their hair cut? Only those who comes to him. So is God! Only those who knows the power in his name and comes to him as their sustainer.
So if God only helps those who believe in Him, why doesn't he give some sort of proof that he exists? That way, bad things won't happen to them. At least, according to your logic.
Its a test of faith. He who believes in Him without seeing Him has made his or her life worth living of. Its a game of faith and we've to live for it.
So then it's faith over evidence then? If that's the case then I wouldn't worship this being if it costs me my life.
If i eventually discover this then i will finally have proof and will gladly believe in god. I dont see how not believeing in something that seems to be invented by people should be a sin. The whole test of blind faith is the only way to keep people in fear of denying god.
If i got to discover it it would have to involve some sort of messenger from heaven appearing in front of me at the very least. And i would then ask if all the rules we live by are actually demanded by god.
But wouldn't that be too late for reconciliation? Because the Bible made me to know that, after death, its judgement and at that point in time, there is no more chance for repentance or acceptance of Christ Jesus. Its safer on the Christian Side mates. Trust me!
Are you attempting to use Pascal's wager? "It's better to believe in God otherwise if he exists you will go to hell, if he doesn't nothing bad happens."
Not really but for the unbelievers, its should be a way to convince you that its worth trying! The Christian faith is worth everything to try out and you will be happy you did. :)
I was a Christian, it's not really worth trying out. If you're trying to proselytize to us, try harder, next time give actual demonstrable evidence rather than anecdotal claims.
Many atheists were theists. I tried and tried to hear anything back from god. I prayed and fasted, and did everything I was told.When I was around 13 I began to think about it deeper, really read the bible with an open mind. I had begun to doubt and, despite interventions from my friends and leaders, by 17 I gave up religious belief entirely, though I was still forced to go to church with my family.
It's not a matter of trying it out, it is a matter of evidence. The only "evidence" for Christianity is a book that self proclaims its veracity. It is not unique either, there is the Quran, among a multitude of others.
I would say, "hey god, why didnt you just show yourself from day one and avoid all this massacres and wars?".
I still don't know what to do because I believe there is God but not the god that religious people know but I don't believe in hell. Maybe I will be in that situation after death I will explain to god that I have done everything to be good and that's enough reason that I'm not qualified to be in hell.
What are your reasons for not believing in hell, if I may ask?
I like the way you think. I agree with this comment.
WE WOULD START A REVOLUTION AND KILL THE DAMN DICTATOR!!! (in honor of christopher hitchens)
Please give me actual proof that the bible was inspired, therefore written by god. I've read many books that give me the same "feel-good" feeling the bible gives you. It gives you something more to believe in. Around the age of 13-14, I become a huge fan of Harry Potter. It's an incredibly written series that made me wish a Hogwarts existed. I got so deeply into said series, that I got excited to read on. We have a modern-day literary genius! And there are more out there! Who's to say there were literary geniuses back in the "bible days?" In those days, people worked hard JUST to feed their family/villages. Wouldn't it be nice if a few fish could multiply into a never-ending basket to feed the masses?? Especially if you were only able to catch 2-3 fish to feed your large family?? Thus, the dream of a story began. Then it was written. Everybody wants the comfort of the "fact" that they can live forever. But there's no proof other than a book that contradicts itself on every page. At least Harry Potter wasn't as contradictory as a book inspired by something that cannot make mistakes. Yet, the bible is laced with mistakes! And tell me this, if you will...the old testament was written well before the new testament. The new testament was written because the old testament basically became outdated...where are the other testaments? Can you really say that over the course of hundreds of years, this doesn't need to be updated?? Yet, there's absolutely nothing. I'd much rather believe in a Hogwarts than a Heaven. At least there's no dictator telling us to worship him or burn for eternity in the series of well-written novels by J.K. Rowling.
Damanar, hell for me is too bad to be true and I really don't believe that such place exist. Maybe it came from my own intuition. That's one of the reasons why I turned back from catholism. I hate being reminded about hell every time I don't do my religious obligations. That feeling sucks. Hell is same as witches in fairy tales,and fairy tales aren't true.
I wouldn't be mad at myself at all. I made the most reasonable conclusion I could out of the information presented to me, which if there is a God, he designed me to do and was his will. If I did something wrong in exercising the free will that he gave to me, the fault is his more than mine.
a 5 year old post..hahah...epic
"what will you be like?"
i'll stick my two middle finger to his face and tell him, "i don't wanna sing worship/praises songs to you for eternity you dumb-ass punk bitch...so suck it"
"hell please, NOW!!!"
I could never worship a being who would torture people who cannot worship a being who would torture people.
The OP only makes it clear that the conjectured god tortures people for not believing in the existence of god through no fault of their own.
I love posts that begin with the expression "What If." In the land of "Whatif" anything is possible, after all we are just talking about fantasy. In the hell of Whatif, God is a benevolent being who sketched out a book to cull the ignorant from among us. Anyone believing in any of the moronic verses he wrote down will not be invited to Heaven or Hell, two planets orbiting near Golob that he has set aside for the select. Instead they will be struck down where they stand and their dead bodies left to rot in the empty streets as the non-believers are whisked away to the new planets where they will live happily ever after.
Re: 'I love posts that begin with the expression "What If."'
And isn't it interesting that they are always "What if the God who puts souls in Hell is real?", never "What if the Omnibenevolent God is real and there's no Hell at all?", despite there being a lot more verses about their god's supposed goodness than there are about hell. A lot more.
It's almost like they want there to be a hell, isn't it?
I always call it the land of "Whatif." It is always a straw man bunch of BS. All you end up doing is arguing about imagination. Why not go all the way and just point out the stupidity.
What if the devil is more powerful than god?