Why is it wrong to think the universe came from nothing?
Donating = Loving
Bringing you atheist articles and building active godless communities takes hundreds of hours and resources each month. If you find any joy or stimulation at Atheist Republic, please consider becoming a Supporting Member with a recurring monthly donation of your choosing, between a cup of tea and a good dinner.
Log in or create an account to join the discussions on the Atheist Republic forums.
That is my opinion too.
Here's an analogy.
Imagine you are in the lobby of a hotel, and see an indistinguishable and complete stranger enter the hotel through the front doors. If asked "where did that person come from?" all you can state is that you first observed that person at the hotel entrance, and do not know what happened before that.
LOL: Could you actually say that? What if he was indistinguishable from the floor or the wall? What could you say about him then? What if you could not distinguish him from your self? I just don't know what to do with an indistinguishable complete stranger? If he is indistinguishable, how did I figure out he was a stranger? I am so confused!
Let us not forget though, that the 'singularity' is a prediction of the big bang theory using classical general relativity.
What we do know is that 13.7b years ago, the universe was in a hot, dense and rapidly expanding state (the big bang).
It is not necessarily the beginning of the universe, despite 'we' all talk about it being so.
We shouldn't think of it as the beginning of the universe, but as the ending of what we currently know.
What is really needed is something like a theory of quantum gravity in order to better understand.
Nicely said. We shouldn't think of it as the beginning of the universe, but as the ending of what we currently know.
Thank you, Its important to differentiate between,
a) the big bang model
b) the big bang event
One is empirically sound, the other is not.
Try getting a theist to understand that. I have tried, but they always use Diotrephes example that there had to have been "nothing" before. Thus, goddidititis. Horrible disease...
Well that point of view is severely flawed, even when considering a theory such as inflation.
People may speculate that in that case there must have been a beginning, but this is simply not true.
There are many theories of what space-time can do, for example a classical space-time assumption could regress to a singularity.
However, we know that we do not live in a classical world and that we have quantum mechanics which explain far better.
If you have a time depending quantum state, it is extendable infinitely into the past.
It is more likely that the universe is infinite into the past as it is into the future.
And that has always been my premise. The universe has and shall exist forever. No Iluvatar deity or magical Valar needed.
However, most people are incapable of grasping such an idea as infinity. Yet, they also choose to believe in a god that is spaceless, timeless, incorporeal, outside of this universe; sounds like infinity to me.
The outside of the universe/reality arguement is the one I find most amusing.
Unfounded assertions seem to attract the ignorant like flies so they can pretend they know shit when they don't. Diotrephes comments are in the running for the idiot comments of the month. Religiosity is certainly like a virus. It will always infect the weakened and unprotected mind.
@ Cog: To use a euphemism; Amen, Brother.
Weak minded persons are the only reason religion can exist.
Did not have time to read thread, so I apologize if I am repeating what others have already said.
I think the people that argue something can come from nothing are also frequently theist folks. But I do not recall who mentioned that sort of stuff.
There is nothing wrong "thinking" the universe came from nothing.
What is wrong: is to try to base any "claim" on it.
Like frequently theist people use the argument: "something can not come from nothing, therefore god."
That is making an unproven claim on another unproven claim. And grossly misrepresenting the general chemistry/physics rule of: within our known universe and knowledge of it: "you can not create something from nothing." When we are talking before the big bang, it is simply unknown, no claims can be made on it, it is a baseless claim and talking nonsense, it may as well be baby babble.
▮ I am an atheist that always likes a good debate. ▮
▮ Please include @LogicFTW in responses directed to me. ▮
▮ Useful list on forum usage. A.R. Member since 2016. ▮