Your views on black magic

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Your views on black magic

Hi guys,

I'm here after a long time. I want to know your views on black magic. But wait, hold on. Let me make some clarifications

1) I'm not talking about exorcism. I've personally went through the bullshit of an exorcist trying to fix me and all my symptoms matched of demon possession but it was not demon possession so please don't talk about such bullshit. Only the person who has experienced such things can tell you what exactly feels in such a condition
2) I'm not talking about doing black magic or how its done. I'll be sharing with you a personal story and you explain me what the hell happened there

All right so, when I was fucked by religion, I would go to many psychiatric hospitals and taking weird medicines. That was the mental treatment. My parents, though, also wanted to do a spiritual treatment on me. In my memory, there are only 2 events I remember of spiritual treatment where I witnessed something weird.

Before I share that, I want to tell you that black magic victims in Pakistan are usually treated in a strange way. It's said by the spiritual people of the mosque and imams that the person who did the black magic took something from you e.g. your hair, your picture, your undergarments etc. These things taken from the victim are then said to be buried somewhere, usually a graveyard. When this happens, the person who does the black magic has a lot of access to fuck our health e.g. cause headaches, pains, etc.

So, it's not possible to find where these things are buried unless the person who buried them himself reveals to you the location. So, the imams say that if these things are taken out, then the magician will not be able to hurt you too much. These things are taken out by some people. And now I'm going to share with you the 3 events I remember where these things were supposedly taken out. By the way, it was said that I'm under the spell of black magic due to which Islam is fucking me etc and blabla.

1) There was this bearded guy who came to our home. He asked us for a glass full of milk and a small clay pot about the size of a fist. He then placed this pot inside the room of my parents and said that nobody can go there for the next 10 minutes. Now the next part is not exactly clear but I think he himself came out of the room too and waited for 10 minutes. The purpose of the pot was that he could control some "good" angels and they would find the buried things, put them in the pot and teleport them inside the milk. Later, he spilled the milk and showed us some talismans inside (talismans in pakistan are made up of an inch long steel containing some crap about god). However, that shit didn't cure me. It was atheism which cured me.

2) There was this guy who said his father had access to many angels and when he died, he transferred the access to his son. This access to angels is very difficult because the angels are "hard" to control. This guy was called to the person's house who recommended him to us. So we went to the person's house where this angel controller came. We talked to him and told him my issues. So he said ok. Give me quran, prayer cloth and a local trouser (it is very loose and held around the waist by its elasticity). Then, he asked the house owner to bring him 2 eggs from his house. Then, he said everyone to close the lights, get out of the room, close the door and do not come in at any cost. We hear him making some weird noises and finally something breaks. That's the sign that we should come in now. When we enter the room, he's sitting on the prayer cloth and the 2 eggs are broken on the wall beside the room's entrance door. There is some weird blackish yoke, bad smell, some small black cloth containing some wet clay and idk what else. However, that shit didn't cure me. It was atheism which cured me.

3) For the final guy who ever did such a thing (also on eggs), he did it in our house. Basically, he said that I'm going to summon some angels so don't freak out if I'm sweating excessively or talking to them in an inaudible voice. So, we closed all the lights, sat in the TV lounge, spread a carpet between the sofas and lit some candles. All the sources of air were to be closed and the fans were turned off. The room doors were closed too so the angels don't go anywhere else. This guy asked us for a big plate-like container with curved borders. It was like this = \_/. But the borders were much small and the base of the container was about 2 ft long and the borders were around 4 inches tall. So, now, he puts some things inside the container like sand and places around 6-8 incenses in a circle. Afterwards, the eggs are placed around the borders of the inside of the container, covering the whole circumference. There is an equal gap between the eggs. I think the eggs were around 7 or 9. Now, he covers the container because he says that angels will not find the buried things if we are looking at the eggs. So, now, he goes crazy again. Starts sweating, inaudible voice, suddenly starts laughing as if in triumph that the angels found the buried things. Then, he says, it's done. He asks us to turn on the lights, candles, fans and everything. He then asks us for a knife. He starts hitting the top of the eggs with the knife and weird crap comes out. Things like hair, some small talismans and I don't know what else. It was all blackish just like in the 2nd story I told you and it was stinky as shit.

So now my question is, how did these fuckers put weird shit inside closed eggs? Points to be noted are:

1) The eggs were always from either our house or another person's house
2) We were never allowed to see the eggs thing in live action
3) Always the things that came out of the egg were stinky, blackish, covered in small sprinkles of clay and there were some talismans.

Please I would really like to understand what the fuck happened in those 3 stories and how did it happen the way it looked to me and my family.

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@Seek3R: how did these

@Seek3R: how did these fuckers put weird shit inside closed eggs?

It's stage magic, not black magic. It's easy to blow out the contents of an egg through two small holes, leaving the shell intact. Then you insert whatever rubbish you want, and seal up the holes with a little wax or plaster. Charlatans, fraudsters, fake mediums, prophets, messiahs and other assorted scoundrels have been doing these kinds of tricks for millennia. They work by suggestion, distraction, and cold reading.

Seek3R's picture
I just realized this shit is

I just realized this shit is popular i.e. the usage of eggs and things getting teleported inside eggs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFSQKcl6GVE

There's a demonstration above which is similar to what I saw.

I never thought about it as a stage magic. That's an interesting one, putting something inside the egg. But how can you put this thing inside the egg?

Attaching the photo. It's called a "taveez". Can be brought up on google images by typing "how to make a taveez"

The video I've mentioned here has a comment of a guy called saiful who says that this egg thing is an old magic which can be learned from the internet. Can anyone shed some light or any kind of knowledge on what this thing actually is?

Algebe, I really appreciate your response. Your post did help me understand some part of it but not completely as in the taveez getting inside the egg part. However, the image I've attached has a too big taveez. What I saw was half an inch taveez inside the egg exactly like the one shown in the picture with black clothing covered and sometimes rusted iron.

Oh yeah, how was the iron rusted? Sometimes they cover these taveez things in iron and sometimes just in mere black clothing. However, what comes out of the egg doesn't have a thread attached to it. It's only the talisman part which comes out.

So my questions now:

1) How can they put a taveez/talisman inside the egg? It's possible to put other things like hair and needle but I'm baffled about the talisman part
2) How come the talisman found in the egg is ALWAYS rusted? They say it's been buried under the ground for many years. But wait, I just noticed something. How the hell does iron rust underground? Doesn't rusting need oxygen and water in contact with the iron? What the fuck is going on. My brain is dead right now. Please help me understand.

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I just realized this shit is

I just realized this shit is popular i.e. the usage of eggs and things getting teleported inside eggs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFSQKcl6GVE

There's a demonstration above which is similar to what I saw.

I never thought about it as a stage magic. That's an interesting one, putting something inside the egg. But how can you put this thing inside the egg?

Attaching the photo. It's called a "taveez". Can be brought up on google images by typing "how to make a taveez"

The video I've mentioned here has a comment of a guy called saiful who says that this egg thing is an old magic which can be learned from the internet. Can anyone shed some light or any kind of knowledge on what this thing actually is?

Algebe, I really appreciate your response. Your post did help me understand some part of it but not completely as in the taveez getting inside the egg part. However, the image I've attached has a too big taveez. What I saw was half an inch taveez inside the egg exactly like the one shown in the picture with black clothing covered and sometimes rusted iron.

Oh yeah, how was the iron rusted? Sometimes they cover these taveez things in iron and sometimes just in mere black clothing. However, what comes out of the egg doesn't have a thread attached to it. It's only the talisman part which comes out.

So my questions now:

1) How can they put a taveez/talisman inside the egg? It's possible to put other things like hair and needle but I'm baffled about the talisman part
2) How come the talisman found in the egg is ALWAYS rusted? They say it's been buried under the ground for many years. But wait, I just noticed something. How the hell does iron rust underground? Doesn't rusting need oxygen and water in contact with the iron? What the fuck is going on. My brain is dead right now. Please help me understand.

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Old man shouts at clouds's picture
Yep, easily replicable tricks

Yep, easily replicable tricks performed for the gullible. Beats working fr a living...

Nyarlathotep's picture
Pulling jewellery out of an

Pulling jewellery out of an egg is an well known magicians trick; fancy versions of the trick have the subject pulling their own jewellery out of the egg! I'll just say that the egg is typically broken long before the item is removed, and the fancier versions hide this breakage.

If preformed in a way to convince people you have magical powers; it is a scam.

Anyway here is some random you-tube magician doing something similar.

Seek3R's picture
Wow, that video. What the

Wow, that video. What the hell? I never saw anything like that in my life before.

One question though. Does the egg has to be the magician's own egg or anybody's egg would work?

Nyarlathotep's picture
There is nothing special

There is nothing special about the egg (not a trick egg). The egg is a distraction.

David Killens's picture
Here are some more simple

Here are some more simple parlor tricks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU1cJFC2egk

Cognostic's picture
Frankly speaking, I think if

Frankly speaking, I think if the OP hangs around long enough that Voodoo Witch-doctor Relationship Building Spammer will post again and answer all his questions,.

Cognostic's picture
Frankly speaking, I think if

Frankly speaking, I think if the OP hangs around long enough that Voodoo Witch-doctor Relationship Building Spammer will post again and answer all his questions,.

Getting black stinky stuff from eggs is as old a Shaman trick as there is, It goes right along with pulling chicken parts out of people. Everything is about the show. I have seen a lot of these shows in China, Korea and the Philippines. Shaman bouncing about rolling his eyes, shouting Woo Woo as he bangs on a drum. It's as much woo woo as Christian or Muslim prayer. (A form of religiously accepted magic) Or religious baptism if you like, Or any other stupid Eucharistic BS.

It's unfortunate you were exposed to this moronic thinking. Children and uneducated minds are prime targets by these con men professing to be able to do magic and they can fuck up your thinking to such a degree that you will never be sane again.

Turning an egg black is extremely easy. Hypodermic needle and some black dye with just a small touch of plaster will do the trick. I have seen the trick done with red (for blood). All it takes is a bit of preparation and a small amount of slight of hand.

There is no magic. No sympathetic magic and no parasympathetic magic. You want to see some great claims busted, go to YouTube and watch James Randi. He offered a million dollars to anyone who could substantiate any psychic claim under laboratory conditions. No one ever collected the money. Mr. Randi debunked them all.

Religion feeds on emotion and has nothing at all to do with logic. The way out is always educating yourself and learning to think rationally. Glad to hear you are having some success. Loads of people will go through their whole lives believing this black magic or religious stupidity.

Cognostic's picture
Seek3R: "One question

Seek3R: "One question though. Does the egg has to be the magician's own egg or anybody's egg would work?"

It depends on the trick. Even if the magician uses your egg, he may switch it out for one of his own using slight of hand techniques.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1wwG4yjjWE

You can't even keep track of the simplest egg vanish.

Seek3R's picture
Oh my. What the. I'm baffled.

Oh my. What the. I'm baffled.

I'm first time seeing that egg vanish video and my first reaction was literally "WTF!?". But when he revealed it, I was again baffled but not because of the awesomeness of the trick but rather because of how easily I got fooled.

Thanks guys. It helped a ton.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Here is a fun one from Jerry

Here is a fun one from Jerry Andrus. I was lucky enough to get to spend about 18 hours with Mr. Andrus once; he was an amazing guy.

Sheldon's picture
No such thing as magic, it's

No such thing as magic, it's fictitious nonsense.

chimp3's picture
Seek3R: Magic, Schmagic! What

Seek3R: Magic, Schmagic! What a load of shit! This is the 21st century! Why spend one minute of your day pondering this nonsense?

LogicFTW's picture
I feel everyone should at

I feel everyone should at least once go to a good magician show. Then they will learn if they want to see magic tricks they can pay ~15 bucks and see dozens of really good ones, instead of paying hundreds for just 1 magic trick passed off as some sort of "cure." That is really just the placebo effect at best.

Muashkis's picture
I'll just add that I really

I'll just add that I really love seeing magic tricks! It's the fastest way to learn of one's gaps in perception. Well, not that you can do anything about them, but at least knowing they exists gives some consolation :P

LogicFTW's picture
Yep, the more I read about

Yep, the more I read about the "shortcuts" the brain makes the more fascinating they are. And they are numerous, the brain can not even process more than a small area of what the eye sees at anyone given time, instead it just "fills in the blanks or low visual acuity/information areas.

Seek3R's picture
Well, in my case, the guy did

Well, in my case, the guy did it for free.

Muashkis's picture
Yup, our brain is sooooo

Yup, our brain is sooooo easily fooled, just look at all those theists :D

I also like mixing up magic and static visual illusions. Gives an even deeper realization of how fallacious are perceptions actually are. And lets me value logic more than anything as a result.

snowell's picture
An alien from another

An alien from another universe would be laughing right now.

Seek3R's picture
Hi guys,

Hi guys,

My 1st story and 3rd story needs some correction.

1) The guy asked for a small pot with a rectangular opening (a clay pot) with milk inside it. That pot was placed inside my parent's room. When the pot was inside and I was in my room, my dad went out of the room for something while the motherfucker guy was still inside. I think this solves the puzzle.

3) The guy asked for a container as I did mention, filled it with sand/clay, added incenses in a circle and placed eggs inside the circumference of the round container.

Here's what I missed. The guy also asked for a clay pot which was placed upside down inside the circle of the incenses so that the incenses were just around the circumference of the opening of this pot. This pot was supposed to be the place where his gay angels would teleport the buried things inside. Now, I also forgot to mention that he talked with angels via a mirror. All these things were provided by us, including the eggs and he did this all for free. The mirror was placed on the north side of the container, slightly buried inside the sand. He would look inside the mirror to talk to the angels (he'd basically claim that the angel would possess him and then he'd have to look at his own face to talk to the angels who possessed him). To look at the mirror, he would bend at a high degree angle so that the distance between his face and the mirror is hardly 2-3 inches. You can imagine how much he had to bend.

Unfortunately, I was sitting behind and a little left to this mofo's ass so I could view nothing. I was also not in the mood to watch this asshole because I had told my parents I'm done with these people. By the way, the amount of eggs placed were 10-11 and only 3 had the stinky blackish crap inside them.

I'm a billion percent sure that the reason why he bent (because when he did bent, as I did mention, the eggs were placed around the circumference of the container so bending on the container would put under the shade of his clothing atleast 3-4 eggs since they were placed very closely together and hence conceal them from our sight BECAUSE THE MOTHERFUCKER SAID DO NOT LOOK AT THE MIRROR WHEN THIS PROCESS IS HAPPENING ANd where the fuck else should we look when the mirror was the only thing in clear sight to us? We were not interested in looking a fucking upside down pot's ass)

So in case you guys are also wondering, I cracked the fucking codes.

1) The room with the pot with milk was left stranded for 5 minutes. The magician was inside the room.
2) Dad confirmed that the guy asked us for $80 to perform what he had to perform. The lights were closed, everyone was sent outside the room for 30 minutes or until a big sound was heard. Enough time to replace, create and produce whatever the fuck he wanted to produce.
3) Even though the eggs and everything was provided by us, the eggs were in large quantity to cover the circumference of the container. The catch is that the way he communicated with his gay angels was via a mirror by looking at his shit face and the mirror was 10% buried inside the sand in the container. Another catch is that only he was to be able to look inside the mirror because SOMETHING HORRIBLE WOULD HAPPEN IF ANYONE LOOKED AT HIS FACE DURING THIS SORCERY! So, he maintained a distance of 2-3 inch between his face and the mirror. What's the catch? The bitch had to bend too much on the container so that some eggs that were placed to the south of the container i.e. the part where he sat, would be covered by his clothing.

What's the catch? 2-3 eggs out of 10-11 eggs had the so-called teleported stuff from inside the clay pot which was placed upside down to inside the eggs.

Fun fact? The guy knocked the pot once and asked his angels in an inaudible tone, "anything inside?" no? Ok, continue working my angels, continue the work. Of course these things were understood by his actions. The mofo only knocked the pot as a distraction and to show us his crap.

Tin-Man's picture
Hey, Seek, if this doesn't

Hey, Seek, if this doesn't blow your mind, nothing will. Magic is fascinating, dude. Personally, I love a good magic trick. But you must remember, it is only a trick. Nothing supernatural about it.

https://youtu.be/bP3fnsRzFhQ

mickron88's picture
i was thinking of this one

i was thinking of this one when i read the OP's title...

"black magic"

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My views on "black magic"?

My views on "black magic"?

Ain't none.

There ain't no such thing as "black magic." If it were to exist, "magic" would be neither "black" nor "white" nor any other shade of grey. You get the idea. Magic would be just "magic".

Magic would be completely "indifferent." It would be completely dependent upon the one who uses it that would determine whether it is considered "black/evil" or "white/good" or any grey shade in between.

rmfr

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