Officially reporting Nyarlathotep for Trolling

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Anser's picture
I'm officially reporting Jeff

I'm officially reporting Jeff Vella Leone for trolling.

As per JVL (acronym for juvenile?): "@ Anser What you think, is irrelevant and just wrong."

Also as per JVL: "Another troll post done only to provocate and create unnecessary tension"

I contend that by his own criteria JVL is trolling. By saying someone's opinion is irrelevant and wrong he is purposely creating unnecessary tension and being provocative. If he said "I disagree" then there would be no unnecessary provocation or tension.

As per JVL: "An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer."
Also as per JVL: "Second; get past your hate against me Anser and get a life."

More trolling by his own criteria.

Jeff Vella Leone's picture
what you think is irrelevant,

what you think is irrelevant, it is only what you can support with evidence that counts when reporting someone.

I am not trolling when stating the obvious.

I'm not creating tension at all by stating the obvious.

It is your flawed and wrong opinion that I am trolling because you clearly do not know what trolling means.

I replied to you directly on your reply, it is not my opinion that you are wrong, you simply are wrong on that point because you didn't know what a troll was.

Anser's picture
Jeff Vella Leone's picture

what you think is irrelevant, it is only what you can support with evidence that counts when reporting someone.

I am not trolling when stating the obvious.

I'm not creating tension at all by stating the obvious.

"It is your flawed and wrong opinion that I am trolling because you clearly do not know what trolling means.

I replied to you directly on your reply, it is not my opinion that you are wrong, you simply are wrong on that point because you didn't know what a troll was."

yet again:

As per JVL: "An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer."

Jeff Vella Leone's picture
I'm not baiting you to answer

I'm not baiting you to answer anything, you jumped in and claimed that he was not trolling but stating an opinion which is outright false.

An opinion is a rational position on something.

He jumped in to make an accusation to provoke by not supporting it.

You did not address this point so if there is anybody trolling here it is you.
Either you support your claim or admit that you were wrong.

It is useless to keep accusing me of things I did not do, when you still have not supported your claim.

Vincent Paul Tran1's picture
Jeff, I have met trolls that

Jeff, I have met trolls that eventually go away. I also don't mind trolls. By themselves they cannot hijack a thread; it's only when non trolls escalate it into a flame war that it becomes a significant distraction. Kenny insults everyone, including me, and N., Nutmeg, and CyberLn insult me at times, but in the end it doesn't really amount to much. I just ignore the comments like they are not there and the original conversation continues from there. Besides, N., Nutmeg, and Cyberln provide valuable input to this forum so getting rid of them would lower the discourse. As for Kenny, he got here before me, I usually don't care when people insult me, and except for the occasional barrage of fluff threads, he doesn't really impact the forum. It might have been different before he was banned, but I think that just proves the point that if you ban someone, they'll just come back under another auspice if they want to.

-Cheers :)

Jeff Vella Leone's picture
according to your philosophy

according to your philosophy then we should not report those who break the peace of the forum.
kenny was reported even if he came back.

"it's only when non trolls escalate it into a flame war"
No its Trollers who start the flame war on purpose.

You are condemning at the end result without rooting out the cause.

If you ban someone it means you acknowledge that he is harming the peace of the forum.

It is not about the end result that counts(him coming back) it is about justice.

With your philosophy then everybody should rape and kill everybody if they can get away with it.
So we should just let them do it without even reporting them.

Would you not report a priest that rapes little boys just because the church can move him from 1 church to the next in a different country?

Vincent Paul Tran1's picture
Jeff, I hate to say this, but

Jeff, I hate to say this, but you're being a drama llama. Equating rape with trolling is silly. condomning indifference to trolling (I am indifferent to trolling) to indifference to rape (I am not indifferent to rape) is silly. Reducto ad absurdum fails in this comparison. One does actual harm and the other just distracts and occasionally hurts people's feelings.

If someone distracts a topic of mine, it is my responsibility to steer the conversation back on topic. You can do this easily with a collective silent treatment. And the church thing- still see no reason to compare that to trolling. Obvious you do to a boy touching priest what you do with any other paedophile, you put them in prison.

And even if a troll starts a flame war, he cannot conduct it in isolation. It takes heated and over-reactive responses from others for it to escalate to a flame war.

I can take your many personal fights with people. Let's do SeanBean. Regardless of trolling or non trolling, there was this one thread that simply devolved into you two lobbing insults at people. I see no point in doing this with anyone and it takes up space that can be spent in higher discourse.

If someone hurts my feelings by trolling me, it's my fault I got butthurt. As long as it doesn't devolve into stalking it doesn't matter. Also, doesn't this forum have a block user function??

-Cheers :)

Jeff Vella Leone's picture
"Equating rape with trolling

"Equating rape with trolling is silly."
It is not the same agreed but my comparison wasn't about them being the same, my comparison was about justice rather then the end result.
You keep changing subject.

"As long as it doesn't devolve into stalking it doesn't matter."
He does stalk people he does not like and jump on topics to attack the person rather then discussing the topic at hand.

"And even if a troll starts a flame war, he cannot conduct it in isolation. It takes heated and over-reactive responses from others for it to escalate to a flame war."
A war never happens alone it takes minimum of 2 people but it is the one who starts it that is punished in a just system.
In world war 2 we did not punish all the countries that participated, we punished the one who started it and lost.

Your claim that one needs to be punished for being a victim of trolling is unjust and egoistic.
You should be ashamed of yourself for even suggesting it.

"If someone hurts my feelings by trolling me, it's my fault I got butthurt."
It is not your fault if your feelings got hurt, however you are not improving the situation if you engage ina flame war on it.
You should report it and let the admins handle it.

Which is what I am doing right now in this topic.

"I can take your many personal fights with people. Let's do SeanBean. Regardless of trolling or non trolling, there was this one thread that simply devolved into you two lobbing insults at people"

You are lying, I do not insult people, i may accuse them of something and support my claims.
If they feel insulted they are free to discuss it and if I was mistaken i will gladly apologize.

The reason why I am reporting it here proves that I don't do "lobbing insults at people.".

So stop lying and accept the facts, someone broke the forum guidelines and I reported him.

You have yet to come up with a valid reason why you are denying that I did the right thing.

Vincent Paul Tran1's picture
Jeff, I don't have a system

Jeff, I don't have a system of right and wrong, or any belief system for that matter. Just and unjust I dont care. Right and not right I do not care. I'm more concerned with the overall functionality of this forum and the satisfaction of the users. Since you are one of the users, you are welcome to your complaints. But I personally enjoy having people like kenny and N. around, even when they insult me

If I spoke wrongly, sorry. I don't really feel like diving into past threads and seeing if you did or did not insult a person, so I'll concede the point I was wrong there for now. I am not blaming the victim. I am saying in the internet words aren't actually harmful, so trolls only have the power of distraction and riling people up

Nyarlathotep's picture
It is so funny that Jeff can

It is so funny that Jeff can sure dish it out, but can't take it. The ultimate glass cannon.

Anser's picture
@ Nyarlathotep

@ Nyarlathotep

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chimp3's picture
Did you know that a male duck

Did you know that a male duck has a nine inch long cork screw shaped penis ? The female has a cork screw shaped vagina winding in the opposite direction. They do not under go penetration during coitus. Instead, cloacal kissing by which the male deposits sperm at the entrance to the vagina. Amazing! I know there is a lesson for us here.

Jeff Vella Leone's picture
Keeps trolling:

Keeps trolling and baiting for a flame war:

"Right Jeff; because you think physics and mathematics are a conspiracy."
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/conspiracy-theories#co...

mykcob4's picture
It is so ironic that you of

It is so ironic that you of all people on the forum would report someone for being a troll when that is exactly what you are.
You're dismissive, smug, arrogant, misleading, lying, dishonest, and in general just a pain in the ass.
Here's a novel idea. Report yourself. That would be appropriate.

Jeff Vella Leone's picture
4 people are cowards that

4 people are cowards that agree that I "troll", "dismissive, smug, arrogant, misleading, lying, dishonest, and in general just a pain in the ass",but do not dare come forward and hide behind this other coward that can only accuse unjustly other people without supporting his claims.

where is the forum moderator that should stop this behavior of flaming and name calling?

chimp3's picture
Pardon me if I get a bit rude

Pardon me if I get a bit rude. One thing that both amuses me and repels me is when a perfectly sensible and rational thread of comments and opinions gets ramrodded by dickheads who did not get their little macho chest butting school yard fights out of their system by the time they graduated from eighth grade. I see people on you tube discussing the virtues of a 45 year old CSNY song and then it all gets derailed by a couple of computer chair numb nuts burbling at each other incessantly over trivial bullshit. If the thread ever does return to reasonable and readable dialogue new readers will be stopped dead by the traffic jam of idiotic verbal shit slinging. I say keep it nice or walk away. It's like the middle east - everyone is acting like a bunch of dicks. Get the fuck over it .

Jeff Vella Leone's picture
At least you are admitting

At least you are admitting that someone "is acting like a bunch of dicks"

Some here cannot even admit to that.

The problem here is that some people thought that I did something wrong when I said this guy is a troll and I made a topic on it to show it is the truth.

Yet none of them wants to say, yes you are right, he is trolling and flame bating even though I proved it.

Jeff Vella Leone's picture
Again trolling and flame

Again trolling and flame bating by spreading false claims about me without supporting them.

"mykckob4 - "I have tried to be reasonable with this person"

That is your first mistake (understandable since you are relatively new here). You are dealing with a person who thinks:

1) human beings are not animals/do not share a common decent from other animals
2) big foot is real
3) sacred geometry has special powers(?)
4) alien visitation to this planet is real
5) the videos from new age gurus contain ground breaking science

Add to this a slew of ludicrous claims about mathematics and physics, despite a shocking ignorance of even the basics of these subjects.

Asking Jeff to be reasonable—ironically—is somewhat unreasonable!"

http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/site-support/name-calling-bating-f...

Is this shit OK for you CyberLN?

I wonder what will happen if someone does this persecution to you?

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