San Bernardino shooting is not being covered in the news but is a direct effect of the misogynist President and the devoted christians who believe Feminists are evil.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Feminism/everything.htm
http://www.salon.com/2017/04/12/san-bernardino-school-school-was-an-act-...
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One of the things about which atheists speak little is the patriarchal basis of almost all religions, ancient and modern, except perhaps of Wicca.
What's the religious necessity of half the human race subjugation? It's a good question that, repeat, the atheists do and answer little.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9SUAcNlVQ4
Warning! if you watch video you might convert to Feminism.
Last summer this speech changed my life. I'm an introvert. I don't care to force my opinion on anyone. I could care less what people believe until it affects someone I love. Watching this beautiful girl made me realize Feminists aren't evil
The subjugation of women by religion is perhaps the single greatest offense by Abrahamic religion on human life and civilization. I'm glad to say that many leading Atheists speak often and loudly about the subjugation of half our species. Religious apologists disagree, and sadly they're being genuine in their comments. They genuinely believe that they are "lifting women up" and chivalrously defending the honor of fair maidens by obeying god's words about women. They are deluded; they see no problem with biblical verses like 1 Timothy 2, verses 9-15:
"Instructions to women
9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety." - King James Version
The subjugation of women is also evident in abortion debates, such as the one we recently witnessed here in this forum. The idea that men have the god given right to enslave women to perform as baby incubators against their will is a DIRECT result of the Christian faith.
Both SBMontero and I are professed feminists, and we have good reason to be. I'm outraged by the sexism of religion and it fuels my passion to oppose religion and work toward a world free from its madness.
Thank you Truett.
Im pretty sure I keep misspelling your name. I blame my bi-focals. Time for new prescription. sorry I really love reading your thoughts
Paul's attitude is in direct opposition to the woman character Deborah in the book of Judges. He would have gone nuts if he had been around her because she was The Boss.
@Diotrephes: I thought exactly the same when I read the conversation between Galadriel and Frodo in The Two Towers, because she was a judge, more or less... hair as scarps, yes.
Well it should be obvious that Paul introduced his own biases and made them part of his newly created religion since ancient Israelites didn't express those attitudes, as least as far as Deborah was concerned.
I wonder if the Eve character is related to the Deborah character? Those writers certainly wrote a complex fairy tale.
I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of times I've been shamed by someone for identifying as feminist. Even here, in these forums I've been admonished for using that word instead of 'humanist'. I've been told, vociferously, that there is no substantive discrimination of women...that there are laws in place to ensure it does not happen, therefore the feminist movement is unnecessary, that it is the opposite of a mission for equality. I find that simply laughable and at the same time, profoundly sad.
Side bar to John: Domestic disputes are NOT the same thing as domestic violence. For you to equalize them is very telling. Additionally, many domestic disputes are indeed rooted in sexism.
Feminism is like atheism in a sense. We shouldn't need to say that we specifically support women's rights or that we don't believe a myth, but as long as women are denied absolute equality of rights and mythology rules the land, those terms are needed. I'll drop the Feminist label and Atheist label as soon as they aren't needed and simply advocate for human rights and intellectual honesty. But unfortunately those terms are needed right now.
@CyberLN: Well, I'm feminist and humanist. Feminist because is the greatest expression against discrimination of any human being on the basis of birth, race, gender, religion, opinion or any other personal or social condition or circumstance, be feminist is the greatest expression of equality among all human beings that exists, and only an ignorant machista could say the opposite. And I'm humanist because I believe in humanity and in the human being capacity to be more, better and go further. I'll never understand why one thing is supposed to exclude the other, or how somebody can be one thing without being the other.
I concur, SB, that one does not exclude the other. It's been my experience too often, that some folks simply abhor the word feminism. Frequently, these are the same folks who label any woman who is vocal about sexism as a feminazi. Gawd, how I hate that term!
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's donkey, or his other property including his wife. Nothing sexist about this commandment.
I'm going to take this opportunity to be 100% honest. I hope I can retain the respect of the members of the forum.
I've had that conversation with my soon to be ex wife. The one where she says she doesn't want to be married to me anymore. I have to admit, there was this voice inside me that said, "What?!?! YOU are leaving ME?" I can honestly tell you that I think a part of that emotion was, and is this silly caveman notion that my wife should never do this "to me". As disgusted as I am with myself, I know some of this is based on deep seeded misogyny that I really didn't realize was there. I think this mindset may be present in more men than we think. I hope I'm not just projecting myself on to others. It's obviously just more pronounced in some. We are, after all, primates.
Now, I'm not psychopath so as painful as it's been, we've maintained a friendly relationship. There are just those people that can not control their emotions.
Hey, JB, thx for sharing.
I respect you more for admitting that. thank you:)
To be honest, there are parts of marriage/relationships where woman want to be submissive to and defer to their man. As long as they are being respected. I bet most men would have more fullfilling relationships with woman if they showed respect for her mind and body instead of claiming her as property.
You're good, JB. Every human alive has deep seated biases that are a natural extension of how our brains work. Neural imaging described by Harvard's Dr. Steven Pinker indicates that all humans have unintentional innate biases, and those biases are ugly. I think it is our capacity for self-awareness and for self-analysis and purposeful management of ourselves that are hallmarks of a moral, conscientious being. Your courage in speaking about it here and your capacity for knowing yourself are positive indicators of your character.
I don't know of any member that doesn't respect you JB. Hey, break ups can be as simple as just growing apart.
@JamieB
I cannot speak on this matter. I am totally uninformed. I like that you use salon.com. They are a trustworthy source.
Hey Mykcob4, I've noticed over time that you and I share many of the same news sources. BBC, MSNBC, NPR, and PBS, along with others. Slate, The Atlantic and The Nation are others I consume. But I don't go to Salon.com. I've been persuaded against them largely by Sam Harris and his conflicts with Salon. How much do you like Salon? And is the reporting trustworthy?
I was turned on to them at the onset of Bernie Sanders bid for president. They were objective and very even-handed. I'm sure there are problems with them as they are decidedly left leaning, but I think that comes from the stories they choose to cover instead of the way they cover them. That is my limited opinion.
A tip for finding good sources: tell google that you only want to search edu sites. In my example I'll be searching for "the normal force":
typed in search bar: the normal force site:*.edu
see it in person: example at work
Watch out for results from academia.edu, their edu classification is wrong, but they got it before the more strict rules were made, so they are grandfathered in.
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Another tip, once you have a site, you can restrict search results to only that site. Now that I found that site: physics.bu.edu with the first trick, lets search only that site for "newton's 2nd law".
so we type : newton's 2nd law site:physics.bu.edu
see it in person: example at work
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One final tip. Lets say you got a site you don't want that is dominating your search results (like academia.edu), simply remove that site from the search results. In my example I'll be searching for "electric universe academia" in edu sites. Without the bold change below, it would bury you in results from academia.edu:
type in search bar: electric universe academia site:*.edu -academia.edu
see it in person: example at work
Wow, is that ever effective! Thanks a million!
Very helpful Nyar thanks!
"There's nothing wrong with you feeling that way, that's not misogyny. Love is supposed to hurt when it's gone. That's human nature bruh."
While I certainly can appreciate the olive branch, I have to disagree. What I'm saying is that part of what lies underneath here is possibility of a sense of ownership on my part. I feel like its our obligation as humans to root out these kinds of flaws, and I think the only way to do it is by being productively critical of oneself.
All sexism is derived from scripture I've seen. That's why its legal to mutilate male genitals, but not female genital mutilation
"All sexism is derived from scripture I've seen."
I imagine sexism has existed since the first caveman realized how easy it was for him to physically overpower a woman. The bible simply provides justification. The men who wrote the bible had to get these ideas somewhere.
Let me clear the air about something. John 6IX Breezy really cares about women. He is commenting in generalities instead of the specific cause that JamieB is talking about.
It is true that there is a segment of the population that uses religious doctrine to commit violence against women as well as other civil liberty crimes against them. The number and amount are unknown because so many women suffer and so many are silent. It doesn't help that religious leaders and political leaders not only ignore the problem but actually encourage this behavior. "You ain't a man, lest you can control your woman." This macho bullshit is so heinous it is ridiculous.
I have a high IQ, probably not as high as most of the people here but it is fairly high. But, I have met people in my personal life who think quick and far better than I. All of which have been and are women.
I don't buy into the idea that women are more compassionate or less logical. I don't buy that they are in any way weaker....even physically. I have taken martial arts since I was 4 and the most skilled that I have come across are women. Yes, men are structurally better equipped for physical effort but women easily overcome any advantage with skill and brains.
The thing this is an old institutional prejudice that has been culturized into every segment of society. It is ancient and based solely on ownership of assets and property. This has manifested itself into a domination of women in every way.
As a man, you can only call yourself a man if you understand and respect women. If you can look past gender and see a real person. That is an effort that we men must employ each and every day.
I thank JamieB fo enlightening this forum on this issue, and the opportunity to express my deepest feelings about the subject.
You are correct John 6IX Breezy, it's not a competition, but it is a revelation.
So please John understand what these people are talking about. Your take was too general which caused a misunderstanding.