Atheism Anxiety

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Atheism Anxiety

I am a fairly new atheist or at least non-Christian not sure if I believe there is still a higher power or not. I guess I still hope there is some reason for spirituality and were not just animals or whatever without a purpose. All I do know is I cannot except Christianity anymore for so many reasons. I don't know how I ever did.
I have been having a lot of anxiety over the last month and a half. Basically all of my issues right now started with Donald Trump running for president and people supporting him. That blew my mind which made me think about everything in a completely different way. The last time I went to church was last Easter. I don't know what was the first trigger that stopped me from going. I do know whatever it was sent me on a path of self discovery that now there's no turning back from.
I keep feeling like I woke up from the matrix and saying to myself I took the red pill!
My brain feels like it's been transformed from a shitty car into a super advanced alien robot!

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ThePragmatic's picture
First, you are not alone.

You are not alone. Many who leave their previous faith, get depressed, feel anxiety, etc.
And it's not at all uncommon that people have depression and/or anxiety in normal life.

Some time ago I wrote a response to a similar post here: http://www.atheistrepublic.com/comment/34093
Take a look, I wrote some tips there.

There are also several books by people who left their faith. Even ministers who were in the center of their religious community. I don't have any names or titles at this moment, but I can get back with that later (or perhaps someone else can write some tips).

Another couple of people that were rejecting Christianity:
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/feeling-trapped-viciou...
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/questions-i-dont-know-...

chimp3's picture
@Neal : We are just animals.

@Neal : We are just animals. But we can experience a great sense of purpose if we choose to live with purpose.

Welcome!

ImFree's picture
Welcome! : )

Welcome! : )

Pitar's picture
The belief in purpose poses

The belief in purpose poses the same questions on the individual psyche as hope of immortality does. No difference. We choose as we do. I do not choose to see a purpose when I consider the facts as I've gathered them, raw and unforgiving as they are, and have no purpose but to deal with the human animal's innate instinct to survive. I do not dwell on it (anymore) because I'm okay with zero purpose for living at this point. Others need to distract themselves with something that deflects that truth, whether it be by hope of a secular or non-secular purpose, and get by on the comfort they can conjure up from that. But, reality is ever-lingering as the inescapable signpost telling it like it is in moments all of us have.

It's inconsequential. We came from nothing, will return to it and there is nothing in between we can effect to change that. If you choose to see that as a sullen outlook it's because you have not come to embrace it as the human condition and are living in denial. After you're okay with it you will find that life is entertaining watching humans struggle with mortality as they seek its antidote. Read the Epic of Gilgamesh. It's the oldest fable known to man (Chaldean Empire 1800 years before the biblical period) and from where a writer who contributed to the bible plagiarized the Book of Genesis. It also tells of the so-called fountain of youth, which is retold in other stories. Its a bit of a painful read but worth the lesson. The character Gilgamesh was 1/3 god and 2/3rds human who was on a life search for god-like immortality.

On the subject of Trump, who cares? He's also inconsequential and only important to people who are seeking to be victims, which is a liberal trait extraordinaire, and otherwise as harmful as his predecessor was useless by your imagination only. POTUS is rapidly becoming the new House of Tudor and as it should be. No single psyche should be expected to be a guiding light of any nation. That expectation is for people who need nursemaids rather than leaders, and POTUS is not a leadership role anymore.

biggus dickus's picture
Look on the Bright side,you

Look on the Bright side,you don't have to deal with an roman emperor. some of them were pretty stupid. That one guy declared war on the god of the sea,oh what was his name.

Endri Guri's picture
You mean Caligula on Neptune?

You mean Caligula on Neptune?

ZeffD's picture
"I keep feeling like I woke

"I keep feeling like I woke up..". Typical end to the god delusion.

joeom's picture
I left Christianity when I

I left Christianity when I was 15, I'm 17 turning 18. I became extremely depressed, anxious and suicidal until I turned 17. Leaving something that has been entrenched into your brain since birth is naturally difficult, communicate with fellow atheists for support is what I'd recommend. Welcome brother/sister!

Truett's picture
Neal the real deal, a number

Neal the real deal, a number of us share several of your experiences. I was a christian for decades and when I became aware that there is no god and the bible is pure fiction I deeply sensed that I had woken up. Zeffd commented that that is typical, which is good to hear. I snapped out of the god delusion in mid 2015 and to this day the best description I have is that I woke up. And the sense you have that your brain is more powerful, I am completely with you. As christians we are taught that doubt and worldly wisdom is of the devil and that we should trust and obey. That creates false barriers and no-go areas of thought and reasoning. When I looked at reality without constriction I saw inter-relationships that I never noticed before. Things that I had missunderstood suddenly made sense.

I disagree with your notion that without god or perhaps without eternal life there is no purpose, and that if we are animals then there is no purpose. I felt identically to the way you think and feel now, but that sense you have and that I had was a product of the brainwashed attitude of christianity. Look at it like this: let's say a creature living 210 million years ago has hatchlings and it cares for its young, but they all die but one. And let's say that the adult creature devotes its life and love and energy to protecting that hatchling. Let's say it provides for that growing offspring and, in accordance with the evolutionary forces that drive us all, teaches its young all that it knows, cares deeply for its offspring, and finally gives its life protecting it. Let's say that young hatchling goes on to mate and raise its own young, and that it wouldn't have been able to without the devotion of that now deseased parent. Perhaps in time its lineage might evolve into an early bird, or perhaps its family line eventually dies out. Regardless, the relationship that the parent and offspring experienced had meaning. The fight for the future had meaning. Things don't take their meaning because the last forever; the young dinosaur was measurably better off because of the caring parent. It suffered less. It enjoyed more. It lived and felt the wind and tasted cool water and inumerable other things that made its life richer. There is meaning here. Whether its lineage lived on, or whether we know or care anything about it, what that parent did had meaning.

Please hear me; we've conclusively shown that life began at least 3.8 billion and probably over 4 billion years ago, and we are directly related to that first self-replicating molecule. The Human Genome Project is one of the conclusive means of demonstrating this. Before that the earth formed 4.5 billion years ago, the sun about 4.6 billion years ago from an interstellar nebula. All of the elements (atoms) except for hydrogen and a bit of lithium and helium were made in stars in the time before that, back to the big bang. The big bang was the event that created the original hydrogen atoms that stretch across the known universe. The big bang itself is mysterious, but could have emerged from quantum fluctuations that caused a run away energy expansion that had the exponential effect of inflating the universe at incredible speed. We are literally still in the big bang. Right now. So the universe is explainable without a creator. No god needed.

What about that self-replicating molecule? There are a number of working hypothesis on how the existing amino acids that had already combined in chemical reactions got to the point of self-replicating. Most models indicate it led to RNA molecules, which then could have transitioned to the DNA molecules that constitute all of life today. After lots of time and variation the early single cells combined, led to evolving animals, and they had the simple feature of chemical signaling. That chemical signaling led to nerve cells, which began to form the earliest brains. Brains in animals have evolved with ever greater complexity and finally culminated in our brains and others, which still work on the same signaling mechanism that bacteria use, which is billions of years old. None of this required intelligent design.

A creator would not be so stupid or wasteful as to come up with a reality like this. Practically zero percent of the universe is habitable. Life has been the most colossal scene of suffering imaginable. Consider this; 251 million years ago the earth was covered with advanced mammal-like reptiles, with Listrosaurus being the most numerous. Like in the billions numerous. There were animals that were dog like, gave birth to live young, nursed them and obviously cared for them. One species, Thrinaxodon, was especially caring. It is a rare example of a species that allowed other unrelated species to live in the dens they dug, and thrinaxadons lived in male-female pairs. We would recognize much of its behavior. Then a region known as the Siberian Traps began spewing lava at a rate that poisoned the atmosphere and oceans. About 98 percent of all life died on the planet. The hardest part of the Permian Extinction lasted over 60,000 years, and the whole event lasted millions of years. The misery and suffering was what we picture as hell. Life barely emerged from that. An intelligent designer that cared about his creation would not have done that. I know god's ways are supposed to be different from our ways, but it is unreasonable to think that any of this was necessary 250 million years ago. Before Adam and Eve sinned. Before sin entered the world and brought god's curses. Even if you could believe that you'd have to see that it is not intelligent design.

We can date events in various ways, including with the radioactive decay rate of uranium to lead. As an example, when a certain kind of crystal (zircon) forms it does not allow lead in its presence. Scientists can measure how much new lead has built up in a zircon crystal over time, then use the known nuclear decay rate of uranium to determine exactly when that crystal formed. There are an incredible number of overlapping ways to date given events, so when we analyze fossils, soil strata, meteorites and whatever else we can get pretty close to the actual dates.

I say all of this because I was in a similar circumstance to yours. Please watch Sir David Attenborough's "First Life" program on Youtube (2 hours), debates between leading Christian intellectuals and Christopher Hitchens, watch evolutionary biologist Dr. Richard Dawkins and cosmologist Dr. Lawrence Krauss presentations, along with presentations by the neuroscientist Sam Harris, all on Youtube. The weight of evidence against any outside interference into reality is overwhelming. Arm yourself with knowledge and reasoned argument. Your mind is ready for it, and you'll be free of this anxiety and can fully determine your purpose and meaning in life.

We only have so much time on this earth. The Christian philosophy advises that we discount this life and focus on the life to come. It is the Christian mindset that robs life of all meaning. We are surrounded by distant cousins; every blade of grass, pollen spore that makes you sneeze, dog that barks at you and bug that bites you is your literal cousin. We are in a great a nd wonderful epic journey. Break out of that bronze age mythology and live while you have the chance.

hunter2342's picture
It is completely natural to

It is completely natural to be experiencing the same things you are at this point. I was lucky enough to not have such problems involving purpose; I converted from Christianity at around age 13, and I'm 14 now. I've had the same feelings of freedom and "super advanced alien robotness." However, I urge you to look at this situation as not a loss of purpose, but a start to finding a new, better purpose. As stated above by Truett, the Christian doctrine (or any religious doctrine, for that matter) does, rather, rob life of all its purpose. Think about it: when you die, you go to eternal paradise, and nothing in the past world has mattered at all besides you believing in that specific god that created heaven. Every notion of your life on earth bears absolutely no relevance now. Now, imagine you're on earth. Nothing drives you to find purpose in this life besides believing in god and preparing for the next life; not focusing on the one we have now. I happen to believe that the thought of nothing after death is a much empowering one. The only life we're given by nature (or your parents, I suppose) is this one, and we should strive to experience all we can in this amount of time we are given to do so. For example, imagine having a child. Now imagine you witness this child creating a life that he loves, with a life he loves, with kids that he loves, and a beautiful wife. That is what gives you purpose in life. Imagine winning that next baseball game, or perhaps aceing that next text you take in math class; that is what gives you purpose in life, not the thought of an eternal afterlife. I also urge you to look up Sam Harris, and watch some of his lectures or videos. I also recommend you Sam Harris' "Waking Up - A Guide to Spirituality Without Religion". A great read. Welcome to the atheist community, and I wish you a great, unfaithful life. (Great Sam Harris video on the meaning of life - https://youtu.be/srxDtefn740)

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