Confession of a Cattleman

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Confession of a Cattleman

I am retired form 33 years of Civil Service. Twenty-two years as a Superfund Project Manager with the USEPA. I was fortunate to have worked two very high profile projects. The Anaconda Minerals Mining sites in Montana and The Rocky Mountain Arsenal in Denver Colorado. After 30 years of federal service in Colorado, Wyoming and Montana, I retired and returned to Kentucky where I raise Registered Simmental Cattle. I have an academic background in the Biological and Geological Sciences. I have a son who has a PhD in Molecular Biology (Dissertation in Cancer Cell Biology) from Vanderbilt.

In the interest of helping others with technical issues such as reproductive physiology, immunology and other life science related livestock issues, I joined a forum on cattle. I am 100 % Artificial Insemination which is unique. I perform the Artificial Insemination myself having taken reproductive physiology under Dr. James Spears. I don't use a live walking bull. All my cows are bred with semen collected from bulls and frozen in liquid nitrogen.

The livestock producer culture in the United States is Conservative/Christian. It was sometimes annoying when half the Users on the forum could not complete a post without a quote from the Bible. So one day I decided to confess my sins. Lol. Well, from that day forward, I was the epitome of Satan. The following is what I posted:

I think I got this on the right  board.

There are theist.

And there are atheist.

It is not a cruel, sinister term.  It simply describes a person as to whether they subscribe to a belief in a God or Gods.

Few people are willing to confess it.  I have never had that fear.  I remember telling my grade school peers that I thought God was Easter bunny for grownups.   They ran from me.  It scared the hell out of them.

The way I view it:  You should not lie to yourself, so why lie to others.

Are there any other atheist on this forum?

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Old man shouts at clouds's picture
LOL..well duh...a few!

LOL..well duh...a few!

Whitefire13's picture
Maybe this is what scared

Maybe this is what scared them...” I am 100 % Artificial Insemination which is unique.”

Fuck that is unique...I’m half egg and half sperm done the good old fashioned way!

Lol :) just fuckin’ with you! I live in rural Alberta cattle country.

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@Whitefire

@Whitefire
When we lived in Helena, Montana, we made several trips into Alberta. Nice country. I made it all the way up to Peace River on one trip.

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Here is one of my 2018

Here is one of my 2018 heifers. Sire is Cowboy Cut. I am retaining her. The cattle I raise are mostly sold as seedstock.

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LogicFTW's picture
Seedstock eh? I would say

@Bright Raven
Seedstock eh? I would say that some lucky cows, but remembered you do 100% artificial insemination. ;)

I spent many years in Colorado and have driven by the Rocky mountain arsenal superfund (cleanup) site many a times.

Welcome to the forums! Here at the hub side of the forums, everyone "should" be atheist, unless they deliberately misrepresented themselves, (lied.)

Also to a question you posted below this post:

Question. I posted the picture of the heifer before I responded to Whitefire. How did the posts get placed out of sequence?

The way replies on this site works, are a bit different, and can get really confusing, especially when things are pushed to a 2nd, 3rd etc page. Worse still, depending what device, browser and screen resolution you run at, the lay out can be different. This is why you see so many @"so and so" at the start of post, to help cut down on the confusion. You can also use blockquote and /blockquote surrounded by the lesser than and greater than signs to "quote" people. Like I did above. See my signature for a link for more details on how to do this.

 
 

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@LogicFTW

@LogicFTW

Thank you. I just joined yesterday.

I was one of three Remedial Project Managers at the Rocky Mountain Arsenal in Commerce City on the perimeter of Denver from 2005 to 2010. It is one of the highest profile Superfund Sites in the US. Beginning about the time of WWI, the DOD began experimenting with munitions to deploy both chemical and biological weapons. Sarin Gas and Mustard Gas were both used at the 6 mile by 6 mile facility. The wastes are contained in an advanced type RCRA Subtitle C disposal structure with a triple liner. It was at the time the most advanced disposal site on the planet. I still miss the level of engagement that my assignment rewarded me with on a weekly basis.

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Question. I posted the

Question. I posted the picture of the heifer before I responded to Whitefire. How did the posts get placed out of sequence?

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@ Bright Raven

@ Bright Raven

First off, welcome to Atheist Republic, where I can assure you that there are many atheists in here. If you click on any name (be cautioned, it will take you to another page) you can see the person's profile.

The confusion over the placement of posts is because you made a specific response (just as I am doing to your post #6). Specific responses are placed directly following the post. Additionally, the normal tradition is to start with an "@" then the name of the person you are responding to.

Back to the topic. Your problem is that you are using too much science and not enough primitive techniques. I understand very well that using artificial insemination is more reliable, consistent, reduces time wasted, as well as many other factors you are aware of. And you are also very aware that many farmers are theistic.

Genesis 30:37-30:39

37 Jacob, however, took fresh-cut branches from poplar, almond and plane trees and made white stripes on them by peeling the bark and exposing the white inner wood of the branches.
38 Then he placed the peeled branches in all the watering troughs, so that they would be directly in front of the flocks when they came to drink. When the flocks were in heat and came to drink,
39 they mated in front of the branches. And they bore young that were streaked or speckled or spotted.

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They appear out of sequence

They appear out of sequence because the response to Whitefire is nested under his post. The post with the picture is not nested.

NewSkeptic's picture
@BR,

@BR,

What do you have against Bull fuckers. Its seems cruel. A Bull wants a good sex life just like any other red blooded mammal. Now the females, can't really speak for them, but is a baster in the box really all that she wants? How about some good conversation and maybe a meal first, glass of wine and some Luther Vandross, a chocolate heart, something for Christ's sake.

We take so much from these animals already, do we really need to take away their natural enjoyment from a good banging?

Welcome to the forum!!!

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Happy that I found the forum.

Happy that I found the forum.

Artificial Insemination presents opportunities. I can breed a cow to the best contemporary bulls in the breed for a fraction of the cost of owning the bull. Stud bulls sold to semen companies sell for over $250,000.00. I can buy 10 straws of semen for $250. Ten straws allow me to service 10 cows.

I can produce calves sired by bulls that I would not remotely be able to own.

BTW. Not every cattle producer practices good animal husbandry but I do. My cattle enjoy a pretty good life.

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@ Bright Raven

@ Bright Raven

"Artificial Insemination presents opportunities."

It must also reduce logistics costs. To breed, one animal must be transported to the other, and that has to be much more expensive ( and harmful to the cow) than one person carrying servicing equipment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs_-emj1qR4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4AcjvsVn5k

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@NewSkeptic

@NewSkeptic

I know you were just having some fun with your reply, but I now have a question for our resident cattleman:

Do bulls derive pleasure from sexual intercourse? Although I am quite confident it is probably less painful then a giant needle to their balls...

I am no cattleman but I been around enough large animals (mostly of the equine variety) that animals of this variety do not really react to much at all especially in that general area. Horses and cattle both, are friggin tough, ever watch Dr Pol or similar vet shows?

A female cow can have a baby hanging half way out their butt/vagina and while distressed, will continue to walk around a field eating hay/grass.

I personally watched several foals get born in person, and we had to pen mama horse just so we could even assist in the birth process. Or she would just wander off in the middle of the birthing process, maybe even pick a fight with another mare literally in the middle of the birthing process. Although the breeder did tell me this mare of whom I watched give birth 2 different foals was a bit more odd in this way compared to other mares. (I as a kid, would be put on watch duty shift during the sometimes long process of waiting for the mare to give birth.) -- there was no cheap camera setups back then, we had to wait and watch in person if we wanted to maximize the odds of succesful birth. Plus my parents thought it would be a good "learning" experience for me.

What I learned, at least on one of them, the mom literally did not give a shit about its newborn, by... shitting on the newborn right after birth. (Something that actually occurs fairly often I was told.)

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@LogisFTW

@LogisFTW

Do mammals derive "pleasure" from coitus? That is an anthropomorphic subject.

Humans derive pleasure from coitus, eating, and money. Humans are basically motivated by gut, crotch and back pocket.

Below the phylogenetic level of Homo sapiens, coitus is not performed for entertainment and pleasure. It is fundamentally for the perpetuation of the species.

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@Bright Raven

@Bright Raven

Welcome and have fun.

33 years as a civil servant ?

Snap, but with the the Australian federal Public Servic. Took a package' ** twenty years ago because I could .

Lived in a small country town in the mid 1950's.Thought it was the dark side of the moon. Sometimes a cocky (farmer) would have a fundraiser. He would kill a sheep have barbeque and a keg. . In Oz, a traditional barbeque is just a hotplate onto which we chuck sausages, topside steak and shoulder lamb chops. Eaten with white bread and tomato sauce( ketchup ) or Worcestershire sauce. If we were lucky, one of the ladies would bake a huge pavlova in her modern wood stove .

Love the country to visit or drive through, but am the third generation of urbanites in dad's family .(same city too) ---the free colony of South Australia was founded in 1836. .My great grand parents arrived in 1870, having left Ireland rather than starve to death.

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**the official term is 'involuntary redundancy', except it isn't. Always plenty of volunteers. I had to wait 6 months after putting up my hand . With the help of a colleague who had written a couple of books on Commonwealth Superannuation, I managed my super, to maximise the benefits. Worked too.

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@crank47

@cranky47

Thank you.

Civil Service means employment in the United States Federal Service as a civilian.

I worked for 33 years in various technical and enforcement functions. The first ten years were with the US Department of the Interior, Office of Surface Mining. My title was Reclamation Specialist and Natural Resource Specialist. The titles don't describe the duties well. My duties included the enforcement of Public Law 95-87. Those statutes and regulations pertain to the regulation of the surface effects of coal mining. I inspected coal mines in Kentucky, Tennessee, Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, Alaska and on the Crow Indian Reservation in eastern Montana.

In 1987, I left the Office of Surface Mining and was hired as an Enforcement Specialist with the United States EPA. I worked on a diverse range of enforcement actions out of the Helena, Montana office. In 1990, I was promoted to Remedial Project Manager on the Butte Montana Anaconda Minerals and Mining Superfund Site. In 2005, I was promoted to Remedial Project Manager on the Rocky Mountain Arsenal Superfund Site in Denver Colorado. I moved to Denver and worked out of the Downtown Denver EPA offices. I retired in 2010.

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