dealing with depression since i lost faith

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Hi Gina. First off, I commend

Hi Gina. First off, I commend you for sticking to your guns, and realizing that you were handed a crock of balony. Don't worry...you are NOT wrong...science, logic, and common sense prove that. You no longer wish to live in a "fantasy world." You must find it in yourself to realize that you have the inner strength to get through life's ups and downs...believe in YOURSELF and what is here, and what is REAL. You have already proved you have the strength within you just by doing what you did...turning your back on something that your family so ingrained in you ( THAT is the biggest problem...our PARENTS messed us up more than anyone would like to admit) We all know ( the people with common sense, anyway) that if a person dosen't do for themselves, there is no magical, mystical being that will do a damn thing for you. You must look within yourself, and deal with things as they come in your OWN way...there is no supreme being, and to hang on to one is simply being foolish. Meditate, exercise, do yoga, anything else that will help you cope without having to rely on a "fairy tale." You are a strong minded person. Live your life, enjoy it to the fullest, be a good person, which I'm sure you are...no one needs God to teach them these things...it is within everyones common sense. A friend of mine recently said that there was not enough religion, that was why so many terrible things happen in this world ( even though it has NEVER gone away...millions of people around the world pray to some kind of God...it dosen't work!!) but when I mentioned that it is the MOST religious people that do most of the killing, he didn't know what to say. Remember..."THOU SHALT NOT KILL?" ( of course, unless you do not believe as I do...then killing is justified...typical theist hypocracy)

Gina Norton's picture
i've discovered this week how

i've discovered this week how injecting kindness into my views helps me deal with the people at work as well. i'm sitting there and the two girls next to me working away are talking about how they feel like being a christian makes them better people (not better than other people, but just better versions of themselves). i'm biting my tongue, biting my tongue, and finally snap, "i'm sorry but how does endorsing a book that was written to keep women in check, keep slaves in their place and make anyone who doesnt adhere to it fear for their safety make you BETTER?" i go on a long rant about the inaccuracy and hatefulness of the bible. for ever overused fallback argument they throw at me (which i know by heart bc i was trained to use them in church growing up as well) i fire back logic. i'm literally livid bc they keep saying all the things i used to believe that kept me enslaved to the ridiculous belief system and i can almost SEE the bars they have built around themselves to keep their otherwise bright college minds trapped in ancient times.
then i just stop and walk away. i needed to go do some work elsewhere. i needed to calm down.
then i come back and tell them. "i want you to know that while i hate the things you believe i just absolutely love you ladies. i'm sorry if i got venomous and if it seemed like i was attacking you. i'm not. its just that the things you believe, that i used to believe, made me live my life in a state of constant panic. fear of going to hell bc i wasnt godly enough, being unable to leave an emotionally and sexually abusive and unfaithful husband bc my church family convinced me that he just needed me to be a godly wife for him to change, fear that if i didnt pray hard enough to make the gay go away (bc i'm bi) that i would be seen as an abomination. And honesly girls, i hate to see you believe these things. but i am sorry for the way i handled it." they hugged me and told me they were sorry as well. and as i walked away i heard them talking about how they didnt care what i believed bc obviously i was a good person.
i feel like that was a win. they can see a person be good without god. and that is huge.

hermitdoc's picture
Actions speak louder than

Actions speak louder than words, you get more flies with honey etc...By being a good person, you will show those around you that you don't need the threat of eternal hell-fire to be a decent human being. This is the approach I've used in life and it hasn't let me down yet. I understand the need for the loud-mouthed atheists out there, but especially in the short run, I think they do more harm than good. Keep up the good work!!

Gina Norton's picture
and after all was said and

and after all was said and done i felt better again about why i left religion. i think i needed to convince myself i had made the right choice.

CyberLN's picture
And it sounds like you did,

And it sounds like you did, indeed, make the right choice for yourself...

Syeda Maida's picture
try to cope up with your

try to cope up with your stress,because I also had the same mental situation at the starting point of my leaving faith,where I was starting questioning my faith and with gradually reached the point where I left my religion,Faith to faithless is not a one day process,it is normal in researching and trying to find out the truth with logics and rational thoughts,so I must say you have to accept your intuition or feelings without any fear,love your self.

ThePragmatic's picture
Congrats on the success.

Congrats on the success.
Great that they are people tolerant enough to accept that you don't believe.

science's picture
You certainly made the right

You certainly made the right choice, Gina. Isn't it crazy how the theists believe that all you have to do is "pray" and everything will be fixed, everything will be fine...look at what is going on in the world...watch the news, read the papers, open your eyes theists!!! IT DOSEN'T WORK!!!

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I also have some of that. My

I also have some of that. My cousin has committed suicide last year and I was devastated. Now I get myself thinking that if I also choose the same path, there would be no consequences like hell or punishment, I would be just shortening my life and people will go on albeit their sadness. For me what helps is my family, how they need me and how they would suffer to deal with this action. Sad or not this is the truth and it won't change. Ignorance is bliss but once you have the knowledge you can't go back... that's for me very similar to the bible passage where Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge and they now can't come back to the garden of Eden.

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I also have some of that. My

I also have some of that. My cousin has committed suicide last year and I was devastated. Now I get myself thinking that if I also choose the same path, there would be no consequences like hell or punishment, I would be just shortening my life and people will go on albeit their sadness. For me what helps is my family, how they need me and how they would suffer to deal with this action. Sad or not this is the truth and it won't change. Ignorance is bliss but once you have the knowledge you can't go back... that's for me very similar to the bible passage where Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge and they now can't come back to the garden of Eden.

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I have had issues with what I

I have had issues with what I'm guessing is depression, and I'm doing wonderfully now, but I've recently had a conversation with someone who told me that I was a suicide risk because I was an atheist. I tried to tell him that I was actually much happier with myself now (considering I don't have to live with constant guilt) and the only reason that I have emotional issues regarding atheism is when people cannot accept me for who I am, and tell me I am going to hell, or call me a liar. I know with my head that he was just trying to manipulate my feelings, but it worked and I was hoping I could find some validation. I can't go to a psychologist about this, I live in an almost entirely christian town, and I'm worried any doctor I talk to won't have any interest in actually helping me. I can't go to my family, because even though they love me, they will agree with this stranger, I just want to feel validated and I really don't know where else to turn.

Mitch's picture
You shared you are athiest

You shared you are athiest with someone - someone close - and they said you were a suicide risk for not having faith. It sounds like now you could be feeling embarrassed for having shared your atheism, as well. You'd feel safer, I think, if someone could take the time to understand what you're saying.

Am I understanding you?

With regard to suicide risk: risk is increased among individuals who lack support, are targets of hate, and who have lack community, for example. Here's a list of risk factors - and protective ones too.

http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/learn/riskfactors.aspx

There is nothing inherently risky about atheism: it is a literal non-position. However, transitioning between faith, and faith free, can involve grieving, which could be a suicide risk factor - and support could help.

If you're wondering what support might look like, ask yourself who would respect your desires, and be supportive anyway.

And when it comes to talking, there's at least the forum. You are not alone.

: )

ThePragmatic's picture
Well put.

Well put.

Anyone can be the victim of depression, regardless of beliefs.
Feelings of being isolated, ostracized, shunned, despised or even feared, could cause depression for just about any person.

Atheists might dread to look for help like therapy, for fear that the therapist might be a theists and therefore incapable of understanding, or for fear of being subjected to proselytization.

This might be interesting to check out in such a case.

The Secular Therapist Project: https://www.seculartherapy.org/findtherapist.php

Mitch's picture
The therapists religious

The therapists religious beliefs need not enter into the therapy; therapy is client-focused, and because of that, a therapist isn't supposed to introduce any religious doctrine that the client does not already hold.

ThePragmatic's picture
Absolutely!

Absolutely!
But I have read accounts from people who have experienced therapists that were very unprofessional, and blamed problems on lack of faith, proselytized and so on. Wish I had saved the the url's to some examples.

If the therapist is professional, the therapist's own religious faith doesn't matter much.

Mitch's picture
I agree fully.

I agree fully.

coopervoyager's picture
I grew up in the 1960's at a

I grew up in the 1960's at a time when the Bible and Jesus were considered historical fact and with access to the internet it was difficult to refute that. But I did, I rejected religion in my mid-teens and it never bothered me about death, after-life, guilt, sin and all the other baggage Christianity loads on its sufferers. Now I can research religion and see that it has historical context, every religion and cult grew and spread for a reason and the more I understand the better I can stand up to the religious zealots who argue and threaten me with eternal torment. I know they are wrong, I can easily outwit them because I know more than they do and alongside my religious knowledge is the bulwark of scientific knowledge and guess which is more astounding and wonderful? I have no fear of death because for the vast bulk of human history I wasn't there and for the vast bulk of human future, I won't be there either but I will make the absolute best of the life I have, try to be a decent person and educate myself in the great secular mysterious. I used to hide my atheism just to avoid trouble but not any more. If I'm at an event and some religious stuff starts then I just walk out and I don't care who stares at me with disapproval. Confidence comes with learning about the history of religion, it comes with learning about the religion itself and understanding what it is, what it teaches and how poorly thought through their philosophy is. That gives you the upper hand. I had a Jehovah's Witness tell me that the bible said the Earth was a sphere. I knew the bit he meant so I said no it doesn't, it says its round like a disc - go and look it up! Don't let them bamboozle you, we will win in the end - we are the future.

Flora Florance's picture
Gina you are not alone it's

Gina you are not alone it's just that some of us deal with death earlier in our lives. As a life long atheist I had to come to terms with my mortality in my teens and early twenties.

As children we have no fear of death, we don't really think about it or we don't think it can happen too us. We may get upset about others dying but it is never something we attach to ourselves unless we ourselves are dying (and even then I'm not sure the kids I have known who have died did fully understand the finality of death).

You are not different because you had religion propping you up on it's artificial pedestal, you are just realising your humanity late. The worst of the human condition is unfortunately that we become aware of our eventual death, some people let that fear rule their lives, others learn to manage it and some ignore it. I myself am an ignore it person, death is something "I" will do, then "I" will do nothing and I wont care about doing nothing. Once "I" stops my rotting corpse wont care what may have been.

I hope in telling you thins that you at least come to understand that we all struggle with the same issue in our lives, even we life long atheists have to face the realities of our existence head on. Only the religious get to lie to themselves about the nature of death but from my experience the religion lie doesn't make religious people less aware of or scared of death. I would even argue that religion focuses the mind on the topic of mortality and prolongs the suffering. As an atheist nobody is getting up and reminding me regularly of my mortality by telling me I will die and go to a better mythical place, I get to live free of constant reminders.

I wish you well coming to terms with your mortality.

If it helps, I view my own impending death as a good - hopefully distant - thing. I would get bored living forever and who needs an eternity of wrinkles :) Okay seriously, I don't perceive death as a negative, I understand that I have to make way for my kids and their kids who will hopefully in their turn enjoy the wonderful experience of living their equally short but fascinating lives. My kids are the only future existence I have but it will be up to them to make that existence a reality in who they are and what they do with the upbringing I have given them.

All the best.

Pitar's picture
I've said it before and will

I've said it before and will say it again, atheism is an internal declaration of non-belief. It isn't something that needs to be paraded as a shout out or otherwise. It's all internal. It's not a badge, a goofy logo on a t-shirt or a sporty ball cap. If made public it takes you from atheism to anti-theism in a heartbeat merely by announcing it and defending yourself against any rebuttals it stirs up. Don't back yourself into an emotional corner.

Anti-theism is not for everyone. If you are weak of character you will lose the emotional battle any self-respecting Christian has been soldiered to fight; especially if mounted by someone dear to you. No one is trained to be an atheist or anti-theist. No conventions have ever been established for them and defending them against a faith-based army can only be done by the most savvy of us who have read the historical record that shatters their doctrines. It requires more from you than your own sense of logic when defending yourself against any theist propaganda machinery.

If you are not savvy and ready to fight your own battles then lay low and keep quiet. In the meantime, study up. Material is everywhere these days that will dissect doctrines and call every bit of it into question. If nothing else, any theist-mounted attack will fail to move you in any manner simply through the knowledge you've acquired and the strength of truth it gives you.

Christina1013's picture
Hey Gina, I just wanted to

Hey Gina, I just wanted to thank you for sharing. I've been dealing with this a LOT recently, also coming from a place where religion was a huge role in my life. Absolutely everything is turned upside down. I don't have much advice to offer (taking time to comb through these comments myself), but it makes me feel better that there is someone who knows exactly what I'm going through.

Best,
Christina

Sir Random's picture
As a person who had clinical

As a person who had clinical depressive anxiety before giving up my faith, I can understand were your coming from. I to suffered a period of even greater depression afterwards, but for a very short time. Once I became active in the community here, that additional depression went away. In fact, being a part of this has even helped me through (and is still helping me cope) with my depressive anxiety. As I've seen, everyone here is welcoming you with open arms (expected). So I say, welcome to the AR family.

Godlessandfree's picture
Dear Gina, I can relate to

Dear Gina, I can relate to anxiety and depression, as I've had both. I have recently come out as an atheist. When I was in my agnostic phase, I dealt with a lot of doubt, worry, shame, and guilt because I felt that by leaving the church and religious community I'd be losing a part of myself. Living in a small, religious town where I am the only "out" atheist really does feel lonely sometimes, so I come here, on this site. It's okay to feel grief. It is normal. Question everything, and gain scientific knowledge of everything so that if your daughter asks you why you don't believe in god you can give her an honest and logical answer. Remember that those who are gone may never come back, but those memories live within us.

The thing I have about heaven/hell is this: if it is real, by some crazy, illogical reason, and every living thing goes one or the other, would it not get overpopulated? If, for example, Jimmy went to Heaven and the rest of his family went to Hell, would he be happy all alone? Whether one goes to heaven or hell, or even the infamous purgatory, wouldn't those "dead living things" get bored?

I may have started to get off topic and I apologize, but if you ever need someone to talk to Gina, I'm here. :)

Godlessandfree's picture
Dear Gina, I can relate to

Dear Gina, I can relate to anxiety and depression, as I've had both. I have recently come out as an atheist. When I was in my agnostic phase, I dealt with a lot of doubt, worry, shame, and guilt because I felt that by leaving the church and religious community I'd be losing a part of myself. Living in a small, religious town where I am the only "out" atheist really does feel lonely sometimes, so I come here, on this site. It's okay to feel grief. It is normal. Question everything, and gain scientific knowledge of everything so that if your daughter asks you why you don't believe in god you can give her an honest and logical answer. Remember that those who are gone may never come back, but those memories live within us.

The thing I have about heaven/hell is this: if it is real, by some crazy, illogical reason, and every living thing goes one or the other, would it not get overpopulated? If, for example, Jimmy went to Heaven and the rest of his family went to Hell, would he be happy all alone? Whether one goes to heaven or hell, or even the infamous purgatory, wouldn't those "dead living things" get bored?

I may have started to get off topic and I apologize, but if you ever need someone to talk to Gina, I'm here. :)

Mark Brewster's picture
It my say something less than

It my say something less than flattering about me, but I never LEANED on my faith to deal with tragedy -- at least, not directly. I knew, as a church member when my first divorce happened, that I'd have a tolerant support group -- but the "faith" or religious aspect of it never really was applied.

I've had a multitude of 'events' happen, both before, and since leaving faith behind; nature, solitude, and a good VA psychologist got me through pretty much all of it.

I will say this, though: PTSD and depression are MONSTERS. They ARE like religious folks like to portray their satan......

Endri Guri's picture
Gina, for your situation, I

Gina, for your situation, I feel you must be having a Hard time. I say so because, I myself am kinda going through depression (not a very big one), sometimes I feel like just jumping off a Rock or just Wander and get lost somewhere into the World.
The weird thing is the word "School" just deepens my depression.
I don't know why, but for some reason I hate School, it "teaches" (it's just learning to remember actually) but I just hate it, just by looking at it opening and hearing it's bells just gives me the Aura of depression.

But anyways, I left Religion at quite a young age (8-9 years old) and just like you I had Fear of Death, is it just Die and then Poof into non-existence? Heh, although it was fearful, it also boosts Me to appreciate the Life I have as One and Last, so I started caring less every day about Dying and the "Afterlife".
But as you leave Religion it is quite sure that you're leaving a way of life, by joining Atheism you're joining another way of life.

You need to start building your way of Life on the sole Foundation of Atheism if you intend to do so, a life which you intend to Live, for you and your daughter (I trust you'll at least teach her about Atheism before letting her go on her way in life).
There are Dark days in Life, that's a thing for sure, but that's only a signal to a Brighter Day, so keep Hope together.

Seenyab4's picture
Unfortunetly, I can say I

Unfortunetly, I can say I have also felt this as well. Today was my first day back to my Catholic school, and it just got me very depressed. I never realized how much everyone in my school worships God, and today we had a prayer service. I obviously participated, but only to mask my inner atheism. I asked myself a lot today if I am right or wrong. I can gladly say that I've snapped out of it, but it's the ever nagging thought in the back of my head that annoys me to no end. It's really difficult to surround yourself with people you know won't accept you if they knew the truth, and then for some reason I desire to tell that truth with everyone. I guess it's just the curse of the closeted atheist.

Anyways, I'm sorry to hear you're having troubles as well. If there is any advice I can give (not much) I am more than happy to lend it.

mykcob4's picture
Your problem isn't that you

Your problem isn't that you've lost faith. It's that you have gained a different perspective. What you lost was the security of the community that you were and actually are still in. I am a nonbeliever in a world or believers. I interact with them, actually seek out counsel from some of them. Comfort comes in many ways. For me, it is seeing things clearly.
For example, I have a muslim friend that I talk to every day. We talk politics, religion, news, current issues. I recently lost my father. My muslim friend recently lost his father. Both of us made huge sacrafices to care for our fathers over the last 5 or so years. We don't share faith, or religion, or even a common culture, but we have more in common than our differences. he and I can talk freely about anything with each other, because we have built a mutual respect and have found common ground that we share. So my advice to you is to keep your friends, find more and new friends, find common ground, and build relationships with respect and trust. Eventually you can share even you deepest thoughts or fears with those people. They will help you to see things clearly without compromising you ideals.

RebelliousPearl's picture
Hi Gina!

Hi Gina!

Don't worry, you're not alone. I've recently completely come to my senses and left Islam after clinging to it and wanting to believe so hard despite it contradicting many of my views. (and the scientific inaccuracies)
I'm a teenager and while I haven't gone through a tragic event after losing faith, I've just been fearing death, stuff like natural catastrophes and the possible apocalypse (now that I know there's no God to protect Earth from asteroids and such) as well as losing loved ones. I've also started hating the world now that I'm sure it's unfair and there is no better plan for anyone suffering, and everything has started losing meaning.

But I managed to pick myself up, although I must admit I'm getting dependent on someone and have recently involved myself in a romantic relationship with her (yep, I'm into girls as well, so I guess the former religion I usee to call a blessing doesn't accept me, huh?) and that's what helped me. My curiosity and desire to learn more about myself and this world has also been growing and helping me go through this. I've started to find hope again and making goals for myself.

We're just human, we need something to cling onto and turn to for support, ane there is nothing wrong with that. I know finding something or someone to replace a divine, perfect being with is really hard, considering there are many things it can't protect you from, but don't lose hope. My faith was replaced by love and my thirst for knowledge, yours will be replaced by something, anything you want it to be, even your own self, I don't know.

I hope you get through this, good luck!

theevolutionofgods's picture
Yes, I can understand you

Yes, I can understand you that what are you felling right now? It's not easy to for anyone to gain the faith if you have lost it. But I'll suggest you first know about the christianity by the following article then you will feel good I promise you will not regret.

Christianity

Two thousand years ago, Jesus planted a twig, from the tree of Judaism, in Palestine. Today, the twig has grown into a big tree called Christianity, which is the most widely practised religion today. Around one-third population of the earth is Christian.
The New Testament is the core scripture of Christians and has guided them during the last two thousand years. This is a collection of Christian literature and has 27 books named after their authors: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, etc. Most authors were the disciples of Jesus; they transcribed these books within a few decades after the demise of Jesus. They precisely documented the life story, teachings and miracles of Jesus. Despite certain dissimilarities, all the books have narrated a common story. The authors wrote these in Greek, not in Aramaic—the language spoken by Jesus and his disciples. After thirteen hundred years, scholar John Wycliffe translated the Bible into English.

According to the Bible, the angel Gabriel visited a virgin named Mary and informed that God had chosen her to bear His Son. Thus, Mary gave birth to Jesus by God’s miracle. Historians know very little about the early life of Jesus and do not know the exact year of his birth. It is believed that Jesus was born within three years of his popularly accepted year of birth—the zero year of the Gregorian calendar.

You can read full article on:
http://theevolutionofgods.com/christianity-2/

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@Nishant:

@Nishant:
You've made a total of 4 posts on Atheist Republic, each in different threads, yet in all 4 you promoted this same book. Not sure what I' m trying to say but maybe you could give this book a rest for a while and have a discussion?

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