Dumping Trump?

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Dumping Trump?

Quote: ...And he had to accomplish it all during his first campaign visit to the Centennial State – ever – in a cavernous ballroom where empty seats were in the obvious majority.

“This is a tremendous crowd,” he told the Western Conservative Summit, which boasted 4,000 eager attendees, most of whom did not show up to hear the presumptive Republican nominee for president, who was nearly an hour late for his morning keynote speech.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/01/donald-trump-sarah-palin...

This Guardian article s one of a number which seem to hint Trump has run his course and is no longer looking electable even by his supporters.

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chimp3's picture
Trump has so divided the

Trump has so divided the Republican party I have even thought he might be a ploy by the Clintonites. Now he has tweeted an image of Hillary surrounded by dollar bills and a red Star of David. This fuck nut is getting crazier by the day. He certainly is testing the conservatives party loyalty. I have a feeling the split will work in the democrats favor this time.

charvakheresy's picture
I wouldn't be surprised if he

I wouldn't be surprised if he won though.
Rampant xenophobia and miss information already split the UK from Europe.
People are gullible enough to vote for him. I hope I am wrong.

ThePragmatic's picture
I'm amazed that a certain

I'm amazed that a certain crowd of people who have been claiming that Obama is "The Antichrist", doesn't seem to think this self-serving narcissistic psychopath that is only catering to qualities that are opposite to the supposed qualities of Jesus, is The Antichrist.

Where are the rumors that Donald Trump is The Antichrist? It shouldn't be hard to make the connection. But I guess they don't want to see it...

Sir Random's picture
Because the mortal religious

Because the mortal religious leaders have more power to decide who is the Antichrist than their God, aparently. Sounds like blasphamy, if you ask me.......lol.

nekoburo's picture
Hasn't it occurred to anyone

Hasn't it occurred to anyone that the opposition to President Obama is the fact he is black? The acceptance of Trump is that he is white?

Nyarlathotep's picture
I got a Trump conspiracy

I got a Trump conspiracy theory for you guys:

He has loaned his campaign huge sums of money, and has had his campaign spend some of that money (estimate are from 20 to 25%) at businesses owned by Trump. Despite his claim that these loans have been converted to donations, there is no record of this. So in theory, once Trump has collected a large sum in donations from others, he could repay the loans with some of that money; netting a nice profit for himself.

I'm not predicting this will happen, but it is an interesting idea, imo.

mykcob4's picture
That is already the case. It

That is already the case. It is precisely why he isn't getting the donations that a presumptive republican candidate would normally receive. However, even though the practice is not illegal under the rules, it is highly unethical.
I don't actually think that Trump is in it for the profit. If anything Trump is ego driven. Trump is a classic republican in the sense that is doesn't matter what the rule of law is, it's all about winning.
Since and after Teddy R. the republican party has been about winning and screw the rule of law. Gerrymandering the districts, "the only thing wrong with Nixon is that he got caught", "if you aren't cheating, you aren't trying", all examples of tenets of the republican party.
Trump is a fear monger and a populace. He caters to whomever his current crowd is. If Putin compliments him he praises Putin. If the KKK supports him, he supports and will not disavow them.
the recent retweet by Trump is a clear example.
Trump's ego is so out of control that his stream of consciousness has taken over not only him but his campaign. He is like a two year old that is easily distracted.
What are Trump's core values? Well it boils down to HIS immediate gratification, whether it is his objectavism and degrading of women or bashing the current minority in the headlines.
His praise of Saddam Hussein "No courts, no 18 years awaiting trial, Saddam would just kill terrorist." Given the fact that that is just a flat out lie, doesn't matter. It proves that Trump doesn't know what law is, doesn't know what justice is, he doesn't think, can't think.

Sir Random's picture
Meanwhile, for your amusement

Meanwhile, for your amusement after Putin's recent endorsement of Hilary: Putin-on-the-Ritz

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chimp3's picture
My new pseudonym for Trump :

My new pseudonym for Trump : "Hell's Toupee"

Deidre32's picture
Not really feeling either

Not really feeling either candidate, so who to vote for when you don't feel good about either? :/

Sir Random's picture
In the words of someone on

In the words of someone on the SoFurry forums, "I'm beginning to think this country would be better off with a military coup d'etat than either candidate we have available."

mykcob4's picture
Okay Deidre. I am a Liberal,

Okay Deidre. I am a Liberal, for a REASON.
A vote for republican any republican is a vote against worker rights, against civil rights, women's rights, customer and patient rights. It's a vote against fair wages.
But look at history if you want the economy to crash vote republican. If you want a new war for no reason other than oil vote republican.
Republicans aren't for a strong defense and never have been. I was in the USMC for 22 years and the only thing republican ever did for me is cut my benefits.
Republicans are exploiters, cheats, con-artist, corrupt corporatist. They don't believe in the rule of law. They believe in what they can get away with. They deny global warming and it's main cause.
Now you may not like the Democratic party, but it is a far sight better than the GOP.
So I hope I have helped you. Maybe not, please ask me any question.

Sir Random's picture
A case of picking the lesser

A case of picking the lesser of two evils, no?

Deidre32's picture
I'm not so sure that either

@mykcob4 - I'm not so sure that either party means well, to be honest. :( The parties aren't well defined anymore and reek of corruption - it would be great if an independent rose up and we could look at something with substance and meaning, and not the same empty promises. And women have rights, more than we ever have...it's naive to think that we need the government to ''hand us'' all our special lives at the end of the day. But, to each their own, I'm envious that at least you are steadfast in your party. lol :)

mykcob4's picture
That's just it. I'm not. I am

That's just it. I'm not. I am stead fast for justice. Here's the thing. The government has an obligation to NOt hand out special lives, but rather to insure equal treatment and opportunity. The conservatives always want to get rid of the government because they HAVE what they want which is 90% of the wealth and assets in the hands of 1-3% of the people. To maintain that percentage they have to get rid of just because they need to get rid of competition, exploit workers and customers.
Take for example the Dodd-Frank finance bill. It protects against what caused the Crash that the Bush administration created. The republicans would very much get rid of that bill so they could go on with various money laundering practices and predatory loan practices. The spin they used was to blame the poor which is utterly ridiculous. You grant someone a loan at a rate and then inflate the value of that home way beyond it's actual value, so you raise the rate to the point that the borrower can never pay the loan and defaults, Then you keep everything the original borrow paid you, repossess the home and do the whole thing again to another poor person. It is a tote the note used car tactic. a way to get a car paid for eight to ten times before you actually sell it.
I am against conservatives just for such a reason and many more. We haven't got the ban width to post all of it. I've studied history. I've studied economics. I have a great deal of experience because I have lived on this earth for a little over 58 years. I have experienced many things first hand. I spent 22 years in the USMC. I know which side of the aisle is for the troops and it ain't the GOP baby.
Gerrymandering, obstructionist, deny the rule of law, institutional racism, cronyism, monopolism, imperialism, all hallmarks of the GOP and all it's factions.
Pick a topic and or a subject, and I'll show you which side is corrupt...in spades.I'm not saying that the Democratic party is squeaky clean, but they ARE working for the poor and the middle class, where as the GOP are only working for corrupt corporations.
I am not trying to force you but rather convince you. I won't use lies or spin(I'm not FOX). Of course I want you to see it my way, but I'll respect your choice, (maybe not your reason) even if that choice is to not have a choice. Good luck young lady!

chimp3's picture
Deidre: "...it would be great

Deidre: "...it would be great if an independent rose up and we could look at something with substance and meaning.."

There have been independent and third party candidates in every presidential election that I have voted in. (1980 was the first). There are in this election too. I have never voted for the either of the top two candidates and I will not be this year either. The only way to create more choice in the election process is to step outside the two party box. Many great nations offer more than two choices.

Babzter's picture
Paraphrase Jon Snow:

For those not excited by Ms Clinton -
Paraphrase Jon Snow:

"We're not friends.
We've never been friends.
But I am the only thing standing between you and Donald Trump"

It's not Game of Thrones - it's much more serious.

Remember - you're not voting the person, you're voting the platform!

Republican platform includes teaching the bible in schools - lots of other gems tucked in there too. Their "Faith and Freedom" initiative allows firing someone if the employee's "lifestyle" does not align with the employers, i.e. carte blanche discrimination. The Family Research Council helped write it. It is frightening.

Read both platforms - there couldn't be a more stark difference.

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Deidre32's picture
lol That could be. But this

lol That could be. But this isn't Game of Thrones. ^_^

Sir Random's picture
Nor are our candidates

Nor are our candidates without risk for starting World War Three. I would rather see this country fall than see World War Three occour. Even if it's at the hand of the U.SA's own military.

Deidre32's picture
I could see WWIII if Trump

I could see WWIII if Trump gets elected, hard to say what will happen if Clinton is elected.

Sir Random's picture
Touché

Touché

mykcob4's picture
If you guys don't already

If you guys don't already know 'W' created ISIL when he created a power vacuum in Iraq and alienated the Sunni in that nation. Zacari was just waiting for the opportunity to act. When Bush disbanded the entire Iraqi Army he flooded the nation with disaffected people, THEN he put Iranian loyalist in charge.....what an idiot.
Obama saved the USA and the world economy from going off of the cliff and yet he is portrayed as an economic failure unjustly.
The Taliban, Al Qeada, and ISIL, are stronger than ever because Bush/Chaney didn't go after terrorist, but instead made an oil grab in the middle east.
The USA rebublican controlled Congress have done nothing but been obstructionist, thus preventing progress. They have not confirmed nominees for over 100 key positions for more than 4 years in some cases 7 years.
The republicans are all about destroying the federal government so the protection against corrupt corporations will end. They are basically refighting the Civil War.

Sir Random's picture
No good can come from this.

No good can come from this. But how exactly do you fix a problem such as this?

mykcob4's picture
I assume you are taking about

I assume you are taking about republicans refighting the civil war...right?
Well first of all the DEMs need to get out the vote. In every state, almost in every district voting age Liberals out number conservatives.
Next you need to un-gerrymander the districts.
Then you need REAL campaign reform.
These things will marginalize the tea party, the republicans and conservatives in general. Thus we can form NEW parties that address issues, will negotiate and work out problems with the opposition.
For example Bernie Sanders doesn't agree with Hillary Clinton on most if not all issues, BUT they can work things out.
You can't negotiate with conservatives. They have moved so far to the right that they can't even see the center. Therefore they cannot and will not find common ground.

Sir Random's picture
Yes, that was what I was

Yes, that was what I was talking about. Now if only we could put what you said on propaganda leaflets and do massive airdrops of them.

mykcob4's picture
No I am talking about REAL

No I am talking about REAL effective activism. Joining organizations that register voters. Petition drives.
sure you have to work for free, but it's worth it. I have already joined a movement to end fracking in Texas and guess what we have a majority of state legislators willing to vote to end fracking....EVEN the republicans.
So things can change, you and others just need to get off your collective asses and make it happen.
Black Lives Matter is effective and changing the criminal justice system. Occupy Wall Street strikes fear in every conservative. Moveon.org raises millions to fight on real issues. Southern Poverty fights white supremacy!
So there are venues and ways to effect real change. The conservatives are counting on apathy because they know that they are out numbered 2 to 1.

Sir Random's picture
"......you and others just

"......you and others just need to get off your collective asses..." Myk, if you have something to say, don't beat around the bush.

mykcob4's picture
Sir Random you always take it

Sir Random you always take it personal, believe me it's not. I am speaking to a general population. We all need to get off our collective asses.
I was around during the many activist movements in the 60's and 70's. People saw injustice and they did something about it. The opposition to justice was huge and even dangerous, but MLK JR. and others moved to get justice. They risked their lives and many lost their lives. They were committed to the cause. I don't see people committed to the cause of freedom and justice. The Constitution is a wonderful thing. If you force the issue you will get justice. Right now in this period of time I see false indignation and anger be tea party conservatives. Less than 10% of the republican party is controlled by that segment. They are acting against their own interest.
Liberals and people that actually believe in equality and justice need to mobilize and let their collective voices be heard. That is what I am talking about. We cannot let the corrupt corporations that control the tea party conservatives get anymore control over this nation. We have to fight for our rights, our individual freedoms and justice.

mykcob4's picture
For Deidre.

For Deidre.
How did you get in this section? This section is exclusively for atheist. I see on your profile that you are not an atheist.

Nyarlathotep's picture
testing

Yeah I was under the same impression that atheist hub was for atheists only. Not that it bothers me. Maybe I was wrong, maybe the policy changed, or maybe this is more of that database issue I mentioned recently in site support.

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