How do you rationally think when you are not allowed to think?

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Anne M's picture
I am so close and have sort

I am so close and have sort help from an expert who isnt part of my community ( the internet is a wonderful place) I am currently able to save half my monthly earnings which doesnt amount to much but ive been doing it for so long that it has started to add up. I wont leave until i have enough money that if i cant find a new job for a few months that i will be able to live off it.I am lucky in one way because of my current situation i have very little self dignity (i hope that is the right word) so i am quite happy to do any job that i can get. I wont give up, with the amount of support i have received here on AR i feel almost unstoppable. Also knowing about all the books i will be able to own and read is a good motivation for me. Thank you for your kind words.

chimp3's picture
Anne : "I'm an atheist or at

Anne : "I'm an atheist or at least I think I am, and I am part of a very religious family who I can't stand being around because of their views. EVERYTHING is about Jesus with them. I am saving to move away from them and quit my job (at a church of all places) but until then I have to keep my mouth shut and keep my head down. How do you deal with religious family without going completely crazy?"

I turned 16 in 1975. As a very young person I grew up near a super liberal university that was the alma mater of Abbie Hoffman. I was enamored of the 1960's youth rebellion and was considered by my high school peers as a throwback to the "60's. I considered myself so once Reagan took office in 1980. Reagan was like Nixon with a good make-up artist. I had a lot of fun mocking that mo-fo.

What is distressing to me at my late age is seeing the young people with less (not more) cultural vehicles for dissent and free expression. We had motto's and bumper stickers such as "Question Authority" and "Die Yuppie Scum" to embolden us. At 19 years old I decided to never argue about religion with my father as I thought he was going to stroke out. I love the old fart. He is a Pentecostal preacher but I never wanted to slay him with my superior understanding of religion.He has reactive high blood pressure and a vein bulges out on his forehead when he loses his cool. So to this day I pity my family for their gullibility and will not contest with them except for the occasional biting satirical jab.

Where did we go wrong that the cultural pendulum has swung so far back to the iron aged worldview and young people are afraid to upset to the status quo of their parents? When did dissent crawl back into the closet? Maybe we have become too civil and accommodating. As I remember it : One half of the peace sign was the middle finger.

Anne M's picture
To be honest i dont know much

To be honest i dont know much about past american presidents I have only in the last year and a half had access to information and scientific truth. From what i have learned though America seems to have less oppressive communities than they do here. My family isnt my own family, maybe speaking to them would be easier if i was raised by them. I look at some of the young people here that have more knowledge and maturity at 16 then i do at 27 and i realize how damaging small religious communities are. We are taught that god and our families are all we need to know and everything else is pure evil. I cant speak for the rest of the world but here at least, the more people gain knowledge the stricter these small communities get so those of us that can leave and never come back, which gives them more ammunition against reason.

Syeda Maida's picture
If you have firm on your

If you have firm on your atheism and have satisfactory condition in your own skin,no need to shut your mouth or down your head,if anyone in your family or friends trying to pressurize you on religious boundaries,you challenge them with your logic and give them offer to debate in friendly environment,if they are not ready to accept or at least respect diffrence of opinion than you will have a right to reply them that atheist also have right to live as theist got rights.

Anne M's picture
The need to shut y mouth is

The need to shut y mouth is to save my skin, literally. I will e beaten to a pulp if i even hint at not agreeing with them. I live in a community that believes women should get a good beating every now and then so to save myself that i keep quiet. My plans are coming together very slowly and will be out of my current situation soon. Once i am no longer at their disposal i will share my views.

chimp3's picture
Do save your skin. Atheism

Do save your skin. Atheism does not need martyrs.

charvakheresy's picture
I am sorry to hear about your

I am sorry to hear about your situation. It is very frustrating and I can understand how you feel. My advise would be to keep your head low for the now.

In even the most extreme of societies there are always those at the fringe. What I mean is that I have found that even in a place such as mine there are always those that are accepting of disbelief or don't believe themselves but keep quiet about it. There may be more like you than you know off.

But be careful if you plan to approach someone. People may be more conservative than they let on. I do remember getting into a little trouble in college for expressing my views to a colleague who surprisingly turned out to be a staunch believer and the whole incident was messy. I was lucky that the consequences weren't too dire.

Be smart, Be careful, Be weary and above all Be rational.

Anne M's picture
Hey Charvak. Thank you for

Hey Charvak. Thank you for your kindness but from what you have been saying i come to think that you are in a much worse situation than me. I am finding the best way forward right now is to amuse myself with my own little games. So when someone is talking about a very religious topic i pretend they are talking about science. So the sentence "god is all powerful and created everything...." in my mind i change it to "Science is all powerful and created everything...". It provides amusement and i dont feel like screaming at people that they are crazy. So being rational isnt what i am doing but its the safest right now.

charvakheresy's picture
Sorry when I said be rational

Sorry when I said be rational I didn't mean particularly atheistic. I just meant make the right choice for yourself and your safety.

Its true that I do get frustrated at times with the level of religiosity surrounding me and every now and again I wish for a more atheistic society. But that will not come to pass and that is the reality of my situation.

However all is not as bleak. I do know enough people that have a similar mindset and within whose confines I can vocalise my irreligion.

I also do believe that most societies, including mine have no option but to become more atheistic or at the very least secular in its outlook. (I may be deluded here)

CompelledUnbeliever's picture
ANNE read my bio on this site

ANNE read my bio on this site. I did keep my views secret as no one bothered to ask for many years. I'm glad that you are married and your husband seems to have a similar out look. That is very important, you need each other. Your safety is number one. If you must leave one day in the middle of the night do it. Now that I have come out with my wife and children it is much easier. I am 45 so my age is probably working to my advantage. I must admit there are still many situations I just "Pretend" to make others happy. Such as when we are gathered I will go through grace, bow my head and say amen. It is a good example of keeping my head down. I do not do it to mislead them or lie, but rather just not to make a big issue of my non-belief. I am slowly dropping Very, very, subtle hints as the opportunities arise by making jokes about Christians with my closer family who still just assume I am a believer. Its has been two years since I have came out. Just remember to be very careful. People are often more emotional about their beliefs when is comes to religion. People have not uncommonly KILLED their loved ones because they were afraid they might go to Hell. Get far enough away that your actions are not constantly under scrutiny. Some times this may only be 50-100 miles in the next town. A new job is often a good excuse to move. This is often far enough to live on your own but close enough you can see your family as you wish. Good Luck.

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