AB...answer this

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AB...answer this

AB, you recently commented on morality and made your usual condemnation of euthanasia. Your comments were almost the very same as you posted in a previous thread. In that previous thread, I asked what personal experience you had caring for terminally ill people. You made no reply.

I also suggested that no legislation for assisted dying in the world allowed for euthanasia to be used a murder weapon. You made no comment.

Can you even briefly describe that personal experience if you’ve had one?

And, have you actually read any legislation, even from your own country, such as the Oregon's Death with Dignity Act?
Here’s a little help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Ballot_Measure_16_(1994) it’s not very long but you will see that it has nothing to do with murder.
All assisted dying legislation provides for the patient requesting to die being monitored for cognitive ability, two doctors to confirm death would be imminent within six months (a very long time when you are in intense pain with no hope of remission, not to mention the intense guilt of being a burden on your family) and other various strict requirements that must be met under laws of the nation involved. Noncompliance with these laws would lead to a charge of murder, to be tried in a court of law.

I do not expect a reply. I suspect you might be like some good people I know who just cannot address issues of death and dying at all in any shape or form; I don’t know about you, but if that’s the case I understand. It’s been suggested you lack life experiences and that’s not a criticism.

However may I suggest, if you lack personal experience, that you might do a little reading and research on the matter of caring for terminal patients.
I can recommend this pamphlet on the care of MND sufferers which what I lived by during the time I cared for my late wife, https://www.mndassociation.org/wp-content/uploads/px011-motor-neurone-di..., it’s a long read and if you imagine the symptoms being suffered by someone you care for, it’s pretty intolerable. It’s worse in real life.

Do not think I am being nasty AB, but it seems to me you do yourself and your religion no justice, by blindly and ignorantly lashing out against a very real life situation with no more excuse than that your religion condemns it. I suggest the bible will not reveal the very human issues involved in end of life experiences.

And there is very little to commend you for condemning doctors and the medical profession of being murderers. You unfairly implicate family members in that heinous crime and it is hurtful to the memories of those who wanted merely to pass away peacefully.

If you don’t care to respond then kindly stop making wild ignorant assertions about euthanasia as merely murder. You do not realise the pain anger and indignation you arouse.

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Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Grinseed

@ Grinseed
AB/Keith/Chuck is a troll.
He makes outrageous and nasty posts to cause a drama. He feeds on it. He has the empathy of a pebble and the compassion of an SS Guard of the children's huts at Treblinka. He has the intellectual capacity of a Dinky toy coupled with the cunning of a Barbie Doll.

In short don't waste your typing skills on the moron. He has multiple identities and changes his position 180 degrees on any issue to cause argument.

One of my favorite descriptions of the smelly little turd is "Dude, you are about as sharp as a wad of cow snot."

I lkie your style Grinseed!

Grinseed's picture
Thanks Old Man. your opinion

Thanks Old Man. your opinion counts with me.

I really don't care if he is a troll or not, but he has made the argument against assisted dying and so I attack the argument.
What is hard is to hold back against the putrid sanctimonious tones with which this argument is defended. But I keep in mind these poor buggers suffer the worst kind of delusions and cant help themselves.

My old grandma always told me to keep things fucking polite.

Cronus's picture
There's a very simple way to

There's a very simple way to " cure" the euthenasia " problem".

Invoke the death penalty on anyone who tries to kill themselves, and cut a cheque out to anyone who helps anyone attempting suicide, as payment for being a paid state executioner.....

(That should keep the Fundies busy for a bit, trying to figure it out. Hell - they may want to adopt the policy)

Old man shouts at clouds's picture

It has a certain elegance....

bigbill's picture
Thank you for signaling me

Thank you for signaling me out on your particular post, but I go and my only barometer is the word of almighty word of God here. That is the only standard I adhere to since all people are under Gods divine plan then he is over the doctors and the legislature governments. As far as I`m concerned abortion and euthanasia are both morally against the word of GOD who states very clearly and commands not to murder.You know medical scientist have brought this on in introducing new forms of chemicals that kill the unborn and the terminally ill.There research and breakthroughs in medicine have only worsened the situation here. there discoveries have led to death. that's why the late pope john paul called it a culture of death.As to answer your question no I haven`t treated the terminally ill or had any women go for an abortion that I knew but that doesn`t mean I can`t speak out when I see genocide a new holocaust if you will.

Aposteriori unum's picture
So you don't eat shellfish or

So you don't eat shellfish or wear mixed fabrics? Do you also agree with slavery and killing homosexuals? How about stoning disobedient children to death? Should a rape victim marry her rapist?

My guess is no. But you decide for some reason that abortion is wrong... In fact the bible doesn't even speak of it. And even though it says thou shalt not kill... It also commands killing.

Use your brain for goodness sake. Listen to the words coming out of your own mouth... Think about things a little bit before you say them. Think about what it is you actually believe and what good reason you have to believe it.

You must have so many mixed up thoughts and feelings in your mind as this religion corrupts you... You can't think straight. How do you sort it all out?

I'll tell you, you can make the world a much simpler and much more beautiful place if you let go of the ancient fairy tales. If you stop and think for a moment... "How does any of what I believe make sense? How does it compare to the world I'm actually experiencing? "

A better world exists... Indeed, it's this one. The real one. And it is fascinating and invigorating and it's proportions are truely incomprehensible.

There's no need for magic and miracles, gods and demons. We have quasars and dinosaurs and black holes and humanity... And logic.

Tin-Man's picture


And yet you still have yourself listed as an atheist. (On THIS profile, at least.) You are nothing more than a malignant pustule of oozing green bile, little boy. Go have your mommy fix you some more cookies with a glass of milk, and then maybe find your favorite episode of Teletubbies to watch for awhile. It is bad enough you are a troll, but it is even worse that you are not even good at it. So sad....

Sheldon's picture
Don't let cattle graze with

Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9) Have you ever done that?

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10). I wonder if Dr. Laura would like that one to be enforced?

If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)

If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)

If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16). I guess you should kill the animal since they were willing participants. Are they crazy?

If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)

Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)

If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)

The bible is bat shit crazy, as is anyone who thinks they can follow it objectively.

So basically you don't care how much suffering a person endures, you only care that you pedantically, and blindly stick to this particular biblical command. So much for Christianity being all about love.

Sheldon's picture
Genocide is fine in the bible

Genocide is fine in the bible though, and ethnic cleansing, your deity committed and encouraged others to commit, these acts?

Do you think slaves should obey their masters?

David Killens's picture
AG, that's not an opinion,

AG, that's not an opinion, you are hiding under the bible like an animal who shuns the sun.

But then again, showing respect to others by actually debating is not your style. Funny thing, the bible commands you to show us atheists the correct path. You are a cop out, just hiding behind an old book.

Grinseed's picture
I singled you out because you

I singled you out because you, in this forum, so stridently oppose the whole idea of euthanasia out of hand.
But you need not feel victimised. I challenge anyone who opposes euthanasia anywhere anytime online and in public and I support various organisations who champion the political cause . I admit I am motivated for very personal reasons but I don't apologise for that.

I really don't have an issue with what religious people like you believe in. I maintain that is no business of mine. I once claimed to be an ardent outspoken christian so I know something of your obsession.

But I really have an issue with the religious hordes forcing their beliefs on everyone else, denying others the right to live their lives according to their own sense of morality and truth. They insist on legislation to make other people moral. It can not be done.

You claim to believe in basic freedoms, like any proud American, but you strive to deny any sense of freedom to others. Cant you taste the full blown hypocrisy you live by?

I see and have seen people, good, imperfect maybe, people, mums, dads, kids, sisters, brothers...suffering intense pain you yourself have never endured or. even witnessed until they die miserable deaths.

You only see mere words on paper written hundreds of years ago by terrified ignorant superstitious frauds and charlatans about just another careless god.

And there are those whose terminally ill family members have committed lonely brutal suicide because no-one could do it for them. Again in all that human suffering what do religions offer? Curses and damnation for crimes against words on paper. That's another outcome of organised religion's sanctimonious and misguided cruelties.

Tin-Man's picture
Bravo, Grinseed! Bravo! Very

Bravo, Grinseed! Bravo! Very nicely said.

mykcob4's picture
AG every day you illustrate

AG every day you illustrate just how ignorant and uneducated you really are.
An example you said, "Thank you for signaling me out..."
Signaling? Do you mean "singling"?
You have no clue how to actually write a cognitive sentence. It is apparent that you lack a formal education.
Also, "There", "They're" and "Their" are 3 different terms. You really need to learn the difference.
When you start a sentence the first word is CAPITALIZED! When you end a sentence it ends with a punctuation mark like a period. There is no space between that last word and that punctuation mark.
You don't have any idea what you are talking about. Genocide is the annihilation of a whole population, not just a bunch of individual deaths. It is disrespectful of you to characterize anything as a "holocaust" when it isn't even close. It is an insult to people that died and also the ones that survived the holocaust.
You are probably not only the dumbest poster to ever come on this forum, you are easily the most mentally disturbed!
BTW no god ever said anything. They are just words that people have claimed a god has said and there is no proof that that ever happened!

Sushisnake's picture


"You know medical scientist have brought this on in introducing new forms of chemicals that kill the unborn and the terminally ill".
Citation needed please.

"I see genocide a new holocaust if you will"
Hello, Godwin's Law! Citation needed please.

Aposteriori unum's picture
Are you going to answer me

Are you going to answer me or what? Son, you have a long road ahead of you of you think you can make assertions and accusations of rational thinking people and just walk away. Someone is going to call you out. You've been called out. Now face the jury.

Sky Pilot's picture
agnostic believer,

agnostic believer,

Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the god of the armies, is against murder? You've got to be joking! He's the most blood thirsty entity in all of literature. He's sad when people aren't being killed.

bigbill's picture
people all I`m saying is that

people all I`m saying is that I love and believe in life. And that I`m here to protect it. I Know that pregnancy is a tough place to be in a womens life she in fact can loose her life at child birth like a friend lost her mother when she was born. I go along with one of my doctors who took an oath to uphold life by all means possible. And he said to me these very words years ago "life is precious billy, do all you can to defend it" Now that was a licensed MD saying that So I don`t accept what all the people who come from all walks of life but not professional have to say concerning abortion and then Euthanasia. On this site.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
But yet, in previous posts

But yet, in previous posts advocate eugenics?


Nyarlathotep's picture
AB (as he is currently known)

AB (as he is currently known) has flip-flopped at least 5 or 6 times since he has posted here. He never addresses these flip-flops, even when questioned. For a while I thought 2 different people were using the same account (now I just think he is mentally ill). I should mention the accusations against him of having a second account are unjustified (he always uses the same account, but changes the name when he flip-flops, which can be confusing as hell).

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Nyarlathotep

@ Nyarlathotep

He was definitely "Keith" the markers were too strong for it to be otherwise.

I am not qualified to answer the mentally ill diagnosis, but I am qualified to identify the little fukturdly carpetbiter as one of the most persistent and unpleasant trolls I have had the displeasure to encounter.

I doubt if even Lovecraft could have guessed at the horror that must crawl through AB/Keith/Chucks echoing cavern of a mind!

Aposteriori unum's picture
He wasn't kieth. He's

He wasn't kieth. He's annoying and so was kieth. But there's no good reason to believe they are the same.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
The evidence for my AB/Keith

The evidence for my AB/Keith theory has been discussed and exposed in other forums on this page. The signature errors and punctuation are pretty unique.

As a long time mod on other forums it is one of the things we looked out for.

Aposteriori unum's picture
Why don't you ever

Why don't you ever acknowledge what I say?

mykcob4's picture

You needed a convenient story so you invented one. I don't believe a word of it. I'm quite certain that no doctor ever told you that. I am old. I have seen many doctors and not once has ANY doctor tried to give me philosophical advice like a 3rd rate movie scene! You are lying your ass off...AGAIN!
AG, Billy, whoever the fuck you are, you are one sick puppy. You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. You make shit up at the drop of a hat. You REALLY need help. You are severely deranged.
Oooh "life is precious"..."I'm the only one that can defend it"..."I'm a hero!"
What a crock of shit Billy.
You don't know diddly-squat about what a woman goes through. Hell, I bet the only woman you know is your mother.
Abortion and euthanasia are serious things. No one makes such a decision lightly. Who the fuck are YOU to force YOUR goddamned opinion upon people making that decision?! Nobody that's who!
Fuck, you want to decide people's lives but you can't even write a proper sentence to save YOUR pathetic life! And you aren't an "agnostic believer" either. What a contradiction in terms! What you are is a sniveling little asshole who has their proverbial head WAAAAAY up their proverbial ass!
I doubt that your "friend's" mother died in childbirth! That's a fucking lie as well.
The really funny thing that you say is that,

"So I don`t accept what all the people who come from all walks of life but not professional have to say concerning abortion and then Euthanasia. On this site."

But you PLEADED for advice from all of us concerning your sexual problem.
Are you fucked up or what?
What you are actually saying is, we are not qualified to even have or voice an opinion on a general subject, BUT, we are imminently qualified to tend to you as a patient and treat your sexual-dysfunctional family issues!
My word you're an idiot. You have a severe lack of judgment.

bigbill's picture
Your replies are either cuss

Your replies are either cuss words insults they don`t address the subject at hand; Stop all the cussing please show a little consideration to all the other members of this forum who have to agonizingly read your threads and responses.

mykcob4's picture

Just look at all the "agrees" I get and all the "disagrees" you get on a daily basis. I'd say the members don't suffer reading what I post but rather enjoy what I write. They obviously don't like or agree with what you post and it is no wonder since you can't even master the basics of writing anything. My posts to you address the subject at hand perfectly. You're a little shithead that needs to be spanked. None of your posts have content or substance. They are either "woe is me" whiny bullshit posts or fucking preaching proselytizing crap. So you can cram it where the sun doesn't shine asshole!

Tin-Man's picture
Re: Agnostic Believer -

Re: Agnostic Believer - "people all I`m saying is that I love and believe in life. And that I`m here to protect it."


Sheldon's picture
Yo! Billy, you never

Yo! Billy, you never answered my questions, again....

Genocide is fine in the bible though, and ethnic cleansing, your deity committed and encouraged others to commit, these acts?

Do you think slaves should obey their masters?

Take your time

Sushisnake's picture

" "life is precious billy, do all you can to defend it" Now that was a licensed MD saying that..."
And that is in argument from authority, Billy- a logical fallacy. It's merely the MD's opinion, it's not a fact. If it were a fact, nature wouldn't spontaneously abort 31% of all conceptions as this 1988 study shows. Note the date: we're not talking new knowledge, here.


"I Know that pregnancy is a tough place to be in a womens life..."
Spare me the violins, please. You don't know what pregnancy feels like to women. I don't either and I'm a woman. No two pregnancies are the same, you see.

bigbill's picture
I had a friend named Susan

I had a friend named Susan who when she was born lost her mother during the delivery, that`s what I meant I feel for her even to this day. But like I said that I LOVE life AND all it comes with the baggage and whatnot, I don`t know that if I became ill and couldn`t help or do for myself what actions I would then take .I am to afraid to die there`s always something better then nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway I`m not to sure that dying is the answer the last word if you will there may be more out there that we just don`t know of this present time.


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