Are humans special

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TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
Very well said, Could we also

Very well said, Could we also say that our reproductive qualities in parallel with our physiological nature, allowed us to work together in order to survive?

jonthecatholic's picture
I have been fascinated by

I have been fascinated by that meme you mention. You say that there’s no reason for there to be this much salt water in the world. But looking at the cycles which happen in nature, I wouldn’t count it as a design flaw.

Given humans and all animals need to breathe oxygen and close to 70% of oxygen is produced by marine plants. I’m actually more interested in finding out why most of outer space is inhospitable to man. Which I agree is a mystery. I heard an answer one time on radio but can’t remember the specifics of it but it did make me go, “Wow! If that was by design, that was really smart.”

Nyarlathotep's picture
JoC - Given humans and all

JoC - Given humans and all animals need to breathe oxygen...

Well that is false, there are animals that operate in oxygen free environments.
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JoC - I’m actually more interested in finding out why most of outer space is inhospitable to man. Which I agree is a mystery.

You think it is a mystery why humans who live in a temperate, pressurized, oxygen rich, low ionizing radiation, environment; can't live in outer space?

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
He clearly has not heard of

He clearly has not heard of Loricifera.

LogicFTW's picture
70 percent of the earth is

70 percent of the earth is covered in salt water, and 70% of the oxygen produced is from the salt water. (Your number) So 30% of the earth is land and 30% of the oxygen is produced on land, see where I am going with this?

So by that argument earth could be 100% land and fresh water, and we would have that much more room to spread out and more easily harvest resources.

Ofcourse I believe in evolution, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence for it, and on a planet governed by evolution, the oceans are absolutely necessary for evolution to take the particular path it did.

But in a god creation world, where there is no evolution and god supposedly created the earth for man, all the plants and animals etc, god could easily made the salt oceans like 10% of the earth, to make the planet more suitable for humans created in his image, to reproduce to ever greater numbers, with more resources more readily available. And with 1 large land mass, god could of had his particular brand reach the americas and all the people living there, 1000's of year sooner.

The 70% salt water meme is just one many, many like it that point out large flaws in any religion that has god as supreme creator. And creating man in his image.

I know, I know, "god works in mysterious ways" we cannot possibly know god and his motivation and grand "plan." Such a convenient answer that can be used for any flaw.

It is not "most" of space that is inhospitable to man, but all of it. Only man made tools let us even begin to leave earth's inner atmosphere, and man has yet to even venture farther then earths/moon gravity pull in its entirety.

Sheldon's picture
"I have been fascinated by

"I have been fascinated by that meme you mention. You say that there’s no reason for there to be this much salt water in the world. But looking at the cycles which happen in nature, I wouldn’t count it as a design flaw."

Begging the question. You'd need to demonstrate some objective evidence for a "designer" before can claim something is not a design flaw. However it's perfectly reasonable to point out to those who assert creationism that the world and universe can be extremely hostile to life. making the claim it was designed irrational.

" I’m actually more interested in finding out why most of outer space is inhospitable to man. Which I agree is a mystery."

Why is that a mystery? Evolution is driven by environment, the environment on earth is starkly different to much of the universe, given it's size and age wouldn't we expect random events to produce anomalies?

mickron88's picture
i think if you don't die and

i think if you don't die and don't rot.

that for me is extraordinary.....

LogicFTW's picture
There are definitely living

There are definitely living things on this planet that for all intents and purpose do not age, and do not die except by violence. Ofcourse you are forced to very precisely define just what "living" is. And attempting to draw that line is very difficult to ecompass what people generally want it to include.

Tin-Man's picture
@Q Re: "I think if you don't

@Q Re: "I think if you don't die and don't rot.
that for me is extraordinary....."

Psssst..... *whispering* hey... Q.... we call that guy Keith Richards.

mickron88's picture
i thought its Christopher

i thought its Christopher Lloyd (Emmett "Doc" Brown)

darn it...

i guess i have to go back in time for that...

chimp3's picture
@Q Re: "I think if you don't

@Q Re: "I think if you don't die (Play amazing guitar) and don't rot.
that for me is extraordinary....."

TinMan: Psssst..... *whispering* hey... Q.... we call that guy Keith Richards.

FTFY!

ProgrammingGodJordan's picture
Cognostic said:

Cognostic said:

"In the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy books, by Douglas Adams, the entire Earth is portrayed as programmable matter; a computer designed to find the question to the Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything." It does not alter the fact that life - the computronium Earth - still feeds on life - the computronium universe.

1.) Life is typically what separates inorganic matter from organic matter... You appeared to describe the typical description. Computronium may not need necessitate organic matter properties.

2.) Thus my prior response holds, based on your initial response; thus the food chain you earlier referred to may become void when computronium is produced.

ProgrammingGodJordan's picture
Wpw... Right after you post

Cognostic said:

Wpw... Right after you post the very first post that made you look, human, empathetic and intelligent, you just could not get away from the artificial intelligence BS./ I imagine you at home masturbating to this stuff.

Unbeknownst to you, the third item in my initial response already dealt with AGI/ASI. (See the description regarding "substrate independence", and human level intelligence.)

mickron88's picture
why are you so obsess with

why are you so obsess with these AGI/ASI thing? PGJ?

does this benefits you?

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
Irrelevant.

Irrelevant.

And computronium is yet another unproven hypothesis.

Zaya Zahin's picture
read it

read it

Zaya Zahin's picture
read it http://joygts
Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Joy

@ Joy

You are getting very close to:
1.Spamming, and
2. Self promotion

See the no no items on the right hand side of the page.

Cognostic's picture
People say that I'm special.

People say that I'm special. I wave to them from my seat in the short yellow bus. I think they like my new red helmet mommy gave me.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Breezy - Do you believe the

Breezy - Do you believe the supernatural exists? Because if not, then that's why I'm against that distinction. It's a rigged dichotomy.

I agree it is kind of a rigged/loaded term. Can you suggest an alternative?

xenoview's picture
Before you can claim anything

Before you can claim anything was intelligently designed, you have to prove the designer is real. Even if evolution could be proven false, that doesn't prove that a god made anything.

Jamesroper35's picture
I think there is a good

I think there is a good chance we are the only intelligent life in the galaxy, and maybe the whole super cluster. https://youtu.be/QfuK8la0y6s

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1975QJRAS..16..128H
So yeah, I think we are. We may be life's one shot at expanding into the greater universe.

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